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[Le Grand Doop]

Neutral dissidents always welcome ‘

oh I thought you had exited the "convo".

yet another thing you have failed to hold up on your end.

how disappointing.

 

[cen]

Rog if he starts tomorrow

 

[Sciatic]

Street furniture like the dividers we saw today also seems like a new issue which L.A. & co didn't face in the 1990's. Especially not at the speeds which the bunch does now with the GC teams & sprinter teams vying for position at the front.

Cycling is a meat grinder in 2024. Injuries, deaths, it's a fastidious sport to follow right now tbh.

And before someone jumps down my throat & says I shouldn't compare what happened to Rog today with any of the recent fatalities in the sport, I'm saying from a general overall perspective there's just too much horrible stuff happening which makes the time & emotional investment in the races very difficult. Certainly from my perspective as a fan.

It's too much.

That bit of infrastructure is particularly bad for a bike race and not great even for drivers. Instead of the usual meridian strip it was raised curb dividing the lanes but with gaps between each section. The beginning was marked with a hay bale and banner, but once that 1st part ended there was no way to know (except studying the course beforehand) that the series of curbs would continue. And as many of us have experienced, brushing a curb with your wheels can easily dump you onto the street or sidewalk on the other side.

 

[Sciatic]

No, I want some recognition for non-aligned Roglič dissidents. Yes, we exist.

Remco and Roglic are two guys I’ve been rooting for this Tour. But we live in such an either-or world I guess most folks don’t think that’s possible,

 

[Le Grand Doop]

That's if you assume that crashes don't affect his form, which of course they do. Yesterday's crash wasn't that bad, but today's definitely was and he will feel it.

so, I assume you also think Remco's crashes in the 2022 Vuelta affected his form enough to lose a handful of seconds 2-3 days afterwards then?

Funny. because there are so many here who think Remco's win is completely illegitimate because Rog crashed out and would have won otherwise (despite being pretty far behind and totally dominated until Remco crashed).

 

[red_flanders]

The race is worse off without all 4 at their best. We all lost today, I guess we'll see how much. If he continues, he can still do something. I'd like to see it, it makes a better race. If he doesn't continue, we lost a bunch more.

 

[Peyroteo94]

The race is worse of without all 4 at their best. We all lost today, I guess we'll see how much. If he continues, he can still do something. I'd like to see it, it makes a better race. If he doesn't continue, we lost a bunch more.

This. It was the first time we had the big 4 together and these mountain stages have been incredible because of them!

 

[Le Grand Doop]

This. It was the first time we had the big 4 together and these mountain stages have been incredible because of them!

agreed. I said the same in another post.

 

[jmdirt]

God has truly forsaken us

which one?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

The race is worse off without all 4 at their best. We all lost today, I guess we'll see how much. If he continues, he can still do something. I'd like to see it, it makes a better race. If he doesn't continue, we lost a bunch more.

I secretly hope he does recover, can manage the losses this weekend, and he will race aggressive like he once did, next week. Honestly, he could become more of an X factor than any other in the top 10 (Vinge and Pog would initially let him go until/unless he might become a threat to them). But guys like Almeida, Rodriguez... and then Evenepoel, and then... would need to react at one point. At least i'd prefer that to a UAE train to set up Pog for a 500m attack.

 

[red_flanders]

I secretly hope he does recover, can manage the losses this weekend, and he will race aggressive like he once did, next week. Honestly, he could become more of an X factor than any other in the top 10 (Vinge and Pog would initially let him go until/unless he might become a threat to them). But guys like Almeida, Rodriguez... and then Evenepoel, and then... would need to react at one point. At least i'd prefer that to a UAE train to set up Pog for a 500m attack.

Your secret is out.

 

[jmdirt]

He is 22 seconds off 4th place. Mountains are still to come.

A month ago you couldn't find a post or opinion about Evenepoel without some sort of claim or expectation that he would crack in the mountains. If Roglic is indeed better (what people in this topic generally assume) than Evenepoel, Almeida and Rodriguez, then a podium spot is still very much possible. More than 3rd place, let's be real, was never gonna happen anyway. If he has no real injuries (though, i did not see the crash and have no idea whether that's realistic) then imho his situation is not that much worse than it was before. Assuming he stops crashing.

3:56-4:20 in this video if you want to see the overhead of PR's crash:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-GvJ6bYUSM

 

[dazaau]

The race is worse off without all 4 at their best. We all lost today, I guess we'll see how much. If he continues, he can still do something. I'd like to see it, it makes a better race. If he doesn't continue, we lost a bunch more.

Being a Roglic fan is so depressing each July. Knowing him he will continue on, but then we get to watch him go into the mountain stages on day 2 after a crash again, which will no doubt have him off the back of the favourites, part of me just wants him to call it a day so he can end our suffering as well as his

 

[Froome]

If he don't have fractures, he will continue in the race. He is super tough.

 

[Nick2413]

As we await tomorrow’s stage we can take this time to remind ourselves what being a Roglic fan is all about.

Do roglic fans even want roglic to win? At this point he's a tragic hero, a martyr, a symbol of the unfulfilled potential and downtrodden ubermensch in all of us. Let's face it, most cyclists suck at all other sports (those that reward strength, speed, coordination) and this is kind of the last chance saloon for nerds with napoleon complexes. If Roglic were to actually win then he'd be just another winner and this sport already has plenty of those.

 

[Ripper]

This dude is going to have some serious joint issues when he's older!

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Being a Roglic fan is so depressing each July. Knowing him he will continue on, but then we get to watch him go into the mountain stages on day 2 after a crash again, which will no doubt have him off the back of the favourites, part of me just wants him to call it a day so he can end our suffering as well as his

I completely understand. I was an Ivanisevic fan. Had my heart broken countless times. But then, when nobody expected it anymore, when his career was basically over, he got a wildcard for Wimbledon... and he won.

Of course, in that era, Ivanisevic was the only exciting player you could cheer for. Connors and McEnroe were gone, Leconte was winding down and never thát good to begin with, and the others were just plain boring. You had a lot of super boring perfect son in law d-bags like "Pistol Pete". God, i hated that mfer.

 

[11-34]

Rolf Aldag should be asked, why the team is driving behind Roglic like ducklings behind their duck mom. Whereas in serious GC teams the captain is the one who gets protected.

 

[JosefK]

My less-than-2-cents' worth: Guessing that Rog maybe starts stage 13 to see how bad it is by day's end. Then maybe he tries Saturday's stage, loses another 2 or 3 minutes to the top GC guys. Sunday, DNS and heads home to recover. Remainder of season? Uncertain.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Damn. Not surprised but very disappointed. I’ve said it on here many times, but being a Roglic fan = being a 2011-2017 Contador fan. I know firsthand. Nothing seems to come together, bad luck always strikes, but there are still moments of greatness and victory (but not the big one).

Accurate analogy.

 

[BullsFan22]

This guy just can’t catch a break at the Tour.

 

[Rackham]

After sleeping on it I'm even more disgusted by those unmarked dividers.

The ASO owned media in France are acting like only Rog fell as well & making it all about his crash legacy.

It's all very convenient. And terrible for the sport.

 

[SHAD0W93]

After sleeping on it I'm even more disgusted by those unmarked dividers.

The ASO owned media in France are acting like only Rog fell as well & making it all about his crash legacy.

It's all very convenient. And terrible for the sport.

Terrible dividers and unexpected for a rider to see it in the pack. I wouldn’t be surprised if a cars accidentally hit it either.

 

[Rackham]

No, no no. I thought you were familiar with British commentators. This will get repeated every year on every sprint stage ad nauseam until some British rider starts winning again. I watched ITV4 for the first time yesterday and it was as if they had a Pidcock cam until he got dropped.
Anyway we're off on a tangent here in the Roglic thread.

I'm just sick of sprinters & all the side shows (side quests, for all the RPG fans out there) in the Tour de France during these interminable transition stages.

20 years ago the big "side quest" making headlines was Richard Virenque's quest for the record number of KOM polka jerseys. The newspapers needed something to talk about so it made for an ongoing saga during the L.A. dominance years.

It's just filler. The 35 stage win record is just filler as well. Now the race is going to be demonstrably worse because of yesterday, i.e. even for Evenepoel because it's not the end result which people remember in cycling, it's the duels & battles along the way which stick in people's memories. In isolation a podium spot is nothing (no one remembers Jean-Christophe Péraud). There needs to be something memorable on the road for people to care.

Evenepoel versus Rog for third was going to be spectacular. Now it's all ruined.

 

[Berniece]

I'm just sick of sprinters & all the side shows (side quests, for all the RPG fans out there) in the Tour de France during these interminable transition stages.

20 years ago the big "side quest" making headlines was Richard Virenque's quest for the record number of KOM polka jerseys. The newspapers needed something to talk about so it made for an ongoing saga during the L.A. dominance years.

It's just filler. The 35 stage win record is just filler as well. Now the race is going to be demonstrably worse because of yesterday, i.e. even for Evenepoel because it's not the end result which people remember in cycling, it's the duels & battles along the way which stick in people's memories. In isolation a podium spot is nothing (no one remembers Jean-Christophe Péraud). There needs to be something memorable on the road for people to care.

Evenepoel versus Rog for third was going to be spectacular. Now it's all ruined.

I believe there is still a place for such stages in the TDF, but I don't get why GC candidates need to be part of it. There are so many solutions to this, and they don't want to change anything. Old school thinking is destroying the sport.