Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[proffate]

Back in the EPO days when GC riders were 70 kgs, this was less of a problem, Ullrich and Armstrong were heavy and strong enough to easily fight for their own position.

Roglic, while being not particularly good at holding a wheel, is also not a particularly physical rider, so it's about 30% him, 70% team.

But even when he has the team and does everything right, he gets an ALLEZ OMI OPI or a *** haybale drawn in front of him. It's bordering on tragicomical at this point.

The podium (as it stands) are just as small and have no issues with crashing. And his last team had plenty of experienced and dedicated riders shepherding him around.

I think Roglic just spaces out too much. It's hard to pay attention all day every day for 3 straight weeks.

 

[Le Grand Doop]

I got banned for two weeks mentioning that some Remco fans are toxic. You’ve got posters gloating in a riders pain and suffering after a crash and nothing is done .The bias to a Belgian grub on here defies logic. I’ll probably
Check out on this forum with the double standards shown last 4 years. *** go

do me a favor -- can you actually name the posters doing this?

to be clear, I am not denying that some posters may indeed be uncouth and wrongly revel in the demise of a competitor.

However, can you please not use such a broad brush calling out all fans of a certain "Belgian grub" (irony anyone?) for willing the demise of Rog. I do not believe that is an accurate statement.

Prove me wrong, however, and I am 100% on board with your sentiment (other than the "grub" remark).

 

[Forever The Best]

What a shame. He was really seeming to improve as race goes on. Was very disappointing at San Luca and also struggled on Galibier (though did very well to catch up) but had a solid TT and looked very strong yesterday.

Victory was imo out of question with how Vingegaard performs but a podium battle was very much brewing between him and Evenepoel (and again, we couldn't see this duel properly - Vuelta '22, Giro '23 and now Tour '24), maybe even 2nd if Pogacar has a 2023 Loze bad day.

Ridiculous amount of bad luck in Tour. DNF in 2021, DNF in 2022 and again a possible DNF this year. A podium would have been great after the bad luck he had those 2 years.

 

[kn0s]

On what precedent do you have that a rider has fallen with that severity once (not to mention the fall the day before) will outclimb someone on a similar level to him because “others assumed he would out climb Remco”. On what planet is that logical? The top riders of the last 50 years has proven your statement to be pure and utter dribble. If Remco gets outclimbed from here I would never ride a bike again in shame but you Remco fans can’t admit a scenario such as this. Remco fans are pathetic

I remember Tyler Hamilton doing crazy things after a broken collarbone, only one that comes to mind.

 

[Scarponi]

do me a favor -- can you actually name the posters doing this?

to be clear, I am not denying that some posters may indeed be uncouth and wrongly revel in the demise of a competitor.

However, can you please not use such a broad brush calling out all fans of a certain "Belgian grub" (irony anyone?) for willing the demise of Rog. I do not believe that is an accurate statement.

Prove me wrong, however, and I am 100% on board with your sentiment (other than the "grub" remark).

Remco has a plethora of fans, no one is accusing all of them. It’s obvious though by spending 30 seconds on here who is battering Roglic . You quoted one

 

[Le Grand Doop]

What a shame. He was really seeming to improve as race goes on...and looked very strong yesterday.

Ridiculous amount of bad luck in Tour. DNF in 2021, DNF in 2022 and again a possible DNF this year. A podium would have been a great way after the bad luck he had those 2 years.

not 100% on board with your first sentiment -- not sure he was improving or "very strong" yesterday -- at least in comparison to the Fab Four. He tried to follow (giving the impression of being stronger) but ultimately blew up and had to be literally be pushed to take a turn.

however, I 100% agree with your second sentiment. I actually feel that in some ways he should have won in 2020. and I will never forget his amazing humility in congratulating Pog that year.

 

[Le Grand Doop]

Remco has a plethora of fans, no one is accusing all of them. It’s obvious though by spending 30 seconds on here who is battering Roglic . You quoted one

one?

but you do realize that you are accusing ALL remco fans of doing this. and another poster did the same.

not helpful.

 

[Le Grand Doop]

I remember Tyler Hamilton doing crazy things after a broken collarbone, only one that comes to mind.

seriously?

Tyler Hamilton?

 

[Scarponi]

one?

but you do realize that you are accusing ALL remco fans of doing this. and another poster did the same.

not helpful.

That’s your opinion. Saying Remco fans are talking trash does not constitute all Remco fans. It means everyone doing it is a Remco fan. They are not the same thing, but alas attack me and not the posters gloating in a riders injury

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

On what precedent do you have that a rider has fallen with that severity once (not to mention the fall the day before) will outclimb someone on a similar level to him because “others assumed he would out climb Remco”. On what planet is that logical? The top riders of the last 50 years has proven your statement to be pure and utter dribble. If Remco gets outclimbed from here I would never ride a bike again in shame but you Remco fans can’t admit a scenario such as this. Remco fans are pathetic

First of all, i said i didn't see the crash and can not speak about how likely it is for him to not be hampered by it.
Secondly, if people were to assume Evenepoel to crack, surely the moment for that to happen is during the third week, still ahead.
Thirdly, Evenepoel crashed during the '22 Vuelta and Roglic fans have been acting like that had no impact on his performance the following days when he lost time in the mountains. Regardless, he survived and still won the Vuelta.

But ok, seems like you are setting yourself up for a long ban so i'm probably just wasting my time.

 

[Forever The Best]

not 100% on board with your first sentiment -- not sure he was improving or "very strong" yesterday -- at least in comparison to the Fab Four. He tried to follow (giving the impression of being stronger) but ultimately blew up and had to be literally be pushed to take a turn.

however, I 100% agree with your second sentiment. I actually feel that in some ways he should have won in 2020. and I will never forget his amazing humility in congratulating Pog that year.

Compared to start of the race (San Luca) he was very strong and improving. Not as strong as Vingegaard/Pogacar, but I didn't expect that either, so matching Evenepoel and dropping the rest was a very good performance.

 

[Scarponi]

First of all, i said i didn't see the crash and can not speak about how likely it is for him to not be hampered by it.
Secondly, if people were to assume Evenepoel to crack, surely the moment for that to happen is during the third week, still ahead.
Thirdly, Evenepoel crashed during the '22 Vuelta and Roglic fans have been acting like that had no impact on his performance the following days when he lost time in the mountains. Regardless, he survived and still won the Vuelta.

But ok, seems like you are setting yourself up for a long ban so i'm probably just wasting my time.

How can I set myself up for a long ban when I only quote those who spread garbage about a rider. This forum would be 1000% cleaner if the Remco fan base were actually called out for their dribble. I’d report anyone who did to Roglic tonight if it was Remco

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

How can I set myself up for a long ban when I only quote those who spread garbage about a rider. This forum would be 1000% cleaner if the Remco fan base were actually called out for their dribble. I’d report anyone who did to Roglic tonight if it was Remco

If there is one rider/fanbase that has been ridiculed into oblivion on this forum, trust me, it's not Roglic.

 

[Le Grand Doop]

That’s your opinion. Saying Remco fans are talking trash does not constitute all Remco fans. It means everyone doing it is a Remco fan. They are not the same thing, but alas attack me and not the posters gloating in a riders injury

still waiting for you to name the poster that are -- in your words -- "gloating".

again, I do not deny it if one or two miscreants on this amazing forum do such a thing. Such posts are reprehensible, I agree.

However, I disagree -- when you say "Remco fans do so and so" you are IN FACT saying that all Remco fans are doing this.

Unless you show me evidence of the contrary, I do not believe this to be true. And your posts are only inflaming an issue that truthfully does not exist.

I find that disappointing.

 

[Scarponi]

If there is one rider/fanbase that has been ridiculed into oblivion on this forum, trust me, it's not Roglic.

Entire threads are clogged with “wheel
Sucker” and “mountain sprinter” what are you on about. Let alone the posts just before his crash on 200km flat stage today about the 3km rule and than after his crash the smartass remarks. Please

 

[kn0s]

seriously?

Tyler Hamilton?

Hehe, never said it was a good example, but it did somehow happen in a different time.

 

[Scarponi]

still waiting for you to name the poster that are -- in your words -- "gloating".

again, I do not deny it if one or two miscreants on this amazing forum do such a thing. Such posts are reprehensible, I agree.

However, I disagree -- when you say "Remco fans do so and so" you are IN FACT saying that all Remco fans are doing this.

Unless you show me evidence of the contrary, I do not believe this to be true. And your posts are only inflaming an issue that truthfully does not exist.

I find that disappointing.

Check my posts and who’ve I’ve quoted. Check the race day thread , check roglics thread. You can take offense for the entire Remco 250,000 thousand fan club which is just ridiculous. Or you can use logic which you did for half the post and understand what I said earlier. Roglic dissidents are all Remco fans but not all Remco fans are Roglic haters. Not a hard concept to understand

 

[Scarponi]

I’m going to exit this convo from this point on. I have my views on what’s been said here these last 4-5? years. Others will defend it as normal behaviour.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Roglic dissidents are all Remco fans

No, I want some recognition for non-aligned Roglič dissidents. Yes, we exist.

 

[Scarponi]

No, I want some recognition for non-aligned Roglič dissidents. Yes, we exist.

Neutral dissidents always welcome ‘

 

[theyoungest]

He is 22 seconds off 4th place. Mountains are still to come.

A month ago you couldn't find a post or opinion about Evenepoel without some sort of claim or expectation that he would crack in the mountains. If Roglic is indeed better (what people in this topic generally assume) than Evenepoel, Almeida and Rodriguez, then a podium spot is still very much possible. More than 3rd place, let's be real, was never gonna happen anyway. If he has no real injuries (though, i did not see the crash and have no idea whether that's realistic) then imho his situation is not that much worse than it was before. Assuming he stops crashing.

That's if you assume that crashes don't affect his form, which of course they do. Yesterday's crash wasn't that bad, but today's definitely was and he will feel it. Before today I'd have said he was the definite favourite for the 3d podium spot, since I'm one of those people who think that Evenepoel is definitely going to crack at some point. But now it's really a free for all. I'd put my money on Rodriguez.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

That's if you assume that crashes don't affect his form, which of course they do. Yesterday's crash wasn't that bad, but today's definitely was and he will feel it. Before today I'd have said he was the definite favourite for the 3d podium spot, since I'm one of those people who think that Evenepoel is definitely going to crack at some point. But now it's really a free for all. I'd put my money on Rodriguez.

though, i did not see the crash and have no idea whether that's realistic

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

(though, i did not see the crash and have no idea whether that's realistic)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdeSOiGgEY0


slo-mo from 1:06

 

[Sciatic]

I could react quite bitterly about the whole Cavendish stuff but at the moment the whole thing is still too raw. The fact it's Lutsenko who went down when he's a climber who shouldn't even be part of a sprint train is just the icing on the WTF cake.

I guess the reality check which awaits Cav is the fact... no one really cares about his record. It was fun folklore for five minutes but within a few days after the Tour Sir Mark Cavendish will be just another knighted British sports champ along with all the others, like Sir Bradley Wiggins & co.

When Lutsenko went down, starting the pileup that took out Roglic, the entire peloton was a sprint train, packed together across the road. Little chance of seeing obstacles ahead or having preceding riders point them out.

 

[Le Grand Doop]

Check my posts and who’ve I’ve quoted. Check the race day thread , check roglics thread. You can take offense for the entire Remco 250,000 thousand fan club which is just ridiculous. Or you can use logic which you did for half the post and understand what I said earlier. Roglic dissidents are all Remco fans but not all Remco fans are Roglic haters. Not a hard concept to understand

but again you state "Remco fans" in your initial post -- so my point about using a broad brush to taint an entire community seems utterly valid. you are actually encouraging what you disdain.

I asked you for a list of the individual Remco fans who were, in your words, "gloating" and - so far you have come up with not a single name. Even I have a couple possibilities in mind, and yet by saying "Remco fans" you are not actually specifying the individuals, but instead adding fuel to the fire by accusing all (when that is so obviously not the case) - and that only fuels the antagonism in a self-fulfilling prophesy.

not helpful.