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[zlev11]

Top 2 would've been on the cards dudes.

you think he would've been with Vingegaard today? i was thinking the same thing. it'll be interesting to see the w/kg for today.

 

[zlev11]

Ammatti had Gall breaking the previous record....... so the numbies are at altitude.

jesus

 

[Rackham]

I don't want to think about it.

I'll just take the fact Pog looks invincible again as a 'relief' tbh, i.e. I didn't care who dominated this Tour now afetr Rog DNF'd (whether Pog or Vinge) but I wanted it to be emphatic with no room for doubt.

So no regrets for Rog.

 

[FroomeWagon]

I agree that changing ways and respecting Tour less, as a stage race, that is indeed the way to go forward, to not listen to the instincts telling you otherwise. If they still are. Having the outmost respect and doing everything in your power, that was not rewarded. So continuing to approach it in such way, Einstein said it well, on when it comes to such repetitional things in terms of the outcome. So a bit fat, unshaven, making babies during the race ... You name it. Last thing is to take it seriously again and for the race to again repaying you in such way. Thanks but no thanks,

As for the rest of the season. That seem to work just fine, no need to change much there, the more important part of the season.

Here is the problem I see with that. Roglic is now being paid 4.5 Euros by Bora (or 5M Euros depending on the source). That is about 1.5M Euros too much for stage rider that isn't going to focus on the TDF. While winning the Vuelta, Giro, and one week races is nice. I think Bora is paying him to compete for the top step at the TDF.

 

[Rackham]

Here is the problem I see with that. Roglic is now being paid 4.5 Euros by Bora (or 5M Euros depending on the source). That is about 1.5M Euros too much for stage rider that isn't going to focus on the TDF. While winning the Vuelta, Giro, and one week races is nice. I think Bora is paying him to compete for the top step at the TDF.

Are we going to pretend rider salaries even reflect their actual level?

I mean Jesus.

Peter Sagan should hand over everything he 'earned' over the past 3 seasons. There's a whole load of others as well (like Gaudu, i.e. a man who's gone from self-proclaimed podium contender in the TdF to failed stage hunter who gets dropped by Ben freaking Healy on Pla d'Adet).

And even on that list you posted I'd say Pidcock & Bernal are living on reputation alone.

 

[Rackham]

Anyway I noticed Red Bull Bora were terrible again today.

First rider in the stage was Sobrero over 14 minutes down. Hindley has been body swapped with his useless twin.

I guess the 'good news' is Rog's team leadership is safe going forwards. The bad news is they're absolutely rubbish in this TdF for inexplicable reasons (like they were way better last year).

 

[FroomeWagon]

Are we going to pretend rider salaries even reflect their actual level?

I mean Jesus.

Peter Sagan should hand over everything he 'earned' over the past 3 seasons. There's a whole load of others as well (like Gaudu, i.e. a man who's gone from self-proclaimed podium contender in the TdF to failed stage hunter who gets dropped by Ben freaking Healy on Pla d'Adet).

And even on that list you posted I'd say Pidcock & Bernal are living on reputation alone.

He is on the first year of a two year contract ... haha. Clearly Bora must have had some expectations when they signed that 9 months ago.

Here is the good news for most of his fans. I doubt Roglic has given up on himself for the TDF as many of his fans appear to have.

 

[FroomeWagon]

Pretty sure this is after he bought it out himself i.e. it would amount to 3M after buying his own freedom

If you have better info, then I believe you. Lot's of conflicting information out there. I found this in another article.

https://biketips.com/primoz-roglic-completes-bora-hansgrohe-transfer/

CyclingNews reports that BORA-hansgrohe paid a fee of €3 million ($3.17 million USD) to Jumbo-Visma to buy out the remaining two years of Roglič’s contract at the Dutch outfit.

Roglič’s salary at BORA-hansgrohe will reportedly earn him €10 million ($10.56 million USD) over the duration of the two-year contract.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@FroomeWagon

Why do you see a problem with that? Are you drinking Red Bull and you feel your money should be spent elsewhere? How much would you pay then, for a rider capable of topping anybody in a GT race?

I mean, it's not like Rogla won't ride TDF any more, and to prepare well. But by now it's becoming rather clear the respect is being rather one sided, this relationship is in my opinion becoming a bit tainted.

Spending some time apart, i feel that is reasonable approach now. For the next 10 months i don't want to hear anything about the Tour, beyond congratulating the winner.

P.S. Would Rogla finish high today? Such a rhetorical question, why wouldn't he, when has he not. Damn, that sour taste again in my mouth. Anyway. More important races now to come, Tour already a history, and lets hope Rogla does well, season still being long.

 

[FroomeWagon]

@FroomeWagon

Why do you see a problem with that? Are you drinking Red Bull and you feel your money should be spent elsewhere? How much would you pay then, for a rider capable of topping anybody in a GT race?

I mean, it's not like Rogla won't ride TDF any more, and to prepare well. But by now it's becoming rather clear the respect is being rather one sided, this relationship is in my opinion becoming a bit tainted.

Spending some time apart, i feel that is reasonable approach now. For the next 10 months i don't want to hear anything about the Tour, beyond congratulating the winner.

P.S. Would Rogla finish high today? Such a rhetorical question, why wouldn't he, when has he not. Damn, that sour taste again in my mouth. Anyway. More important races now to come, Tour already a history, and lets hope Rogla does well, season still being long.

My complaint has nothing to do with Roglic and nothing to do with Bora paying him a lot of money ... and everything to do with his fans in this forum saying he should give up on focusing on the TDF.

If I am Bora or if I am Roglic, I am back in 2025 focused on winning that race again. That is why Bora is paying him, that is why Roglic changed teams.

 

[acm]

Top 2 would've been on the cards dudes.

Definitely.

 

[Rackham]

My complaint has nothing to do with Roglic and nothing to do with Bora paying him a lot of money ... and everything to do with his fans in this forum saying he should give up on focusing on the TDF.

If I am Bora or if I am Roglic, I am back in 2025 focused on winning that race again. That is why Bora is paying him, that is why Roglic changed teams.

I think this is a bit exaggerated.

This fan's attitude (my own) is basically F*** the Tour de France.

But this is now, i.e. July 13th 2024, aka just one day after another DNF due to a crash.

Let's see what the rider himself wants (like win the Vuelta maybe?) before we even begin to dream about next year's possibilities. FYI Rog himself said last year that a Giro-TdF double was doable - something which Pog is en route to confirming. So Rog's program next year could be anything he wants, I guess.

The Tour will probably be a center piece of the season as well, but like I said, F the Tour. Ask me again in October once the season is done.

 

[KOM]

you think he would've been with Vingegaard today? i was thinking the same thing. it'll be interesting to see the w/kg for today.

Feel like anything from ~10secs ahead of Vingegaard to coming in together with Rodriguez couldve been possible today... probably slight bias towards the later outcome, I think coming in with Evenepoel wouldve been the most likely outcome, but again us Roglic fans are left to wonder.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@FroomeWagon

You got a point, still, for around next 10 months i don't want to hear or discuss anything Tour related, so i will stop here. I am interested in other races, though. Hopefully Rogla to perform well over there.

 

[Carols]

I thought TDS was also used for Tour of Spain…that’s what I was thinking of

The Tour of Spain is usually referred to as the Vuelta.

 

[BullsFan22]

The Tour of Spain is usually referred to as the Vuelta.

I realize that, but forgot about the Tour de Suisse

 

[movingtarget]

Are we going to pretend rider salaries even reflect their actual level?

I mean Jesus.

Peter Sagan should hand over everything he 'earned' over the past 3 seasons. There's a whole load of others as well (like Gaudu, i.e. a man who's gone from self-proclaimed podium contender in the TdF to failed stage hunter who gets dropped by Ben freaking Healy on Pla d'Adet).

And even on that list you posted I'd say Pidcock & Bernal are living on reputation alone.

Bernal hasn't been the same since his accident and he was already having ongoing back issues before that. Vingegaard's recovery since his accident has been miraculous. Pidcock was paid as a young rider with a future which isn't unusual. Some of them end up ticking the boxes and others never do. Bora obviously invested a lot in Roglic but the team has been mediocre in this race. Will they be any better in the Vuelta ?

 

[red_flanders]

Today would have been even more interesting with Roglič in the race. Shame. Hope he is able to give it a full shot next year.

 

[Oldermanish]

@FroomeWagon

You got a point, still, for around next 10 months i don't want to hear or discuss anything Tour related, so i will stop here. I am interested in other races, though. Hopefully Rogla to perform well over there.

I was away from broadcast and heard about his crash...12km from the line. Watching the crash he was near the front, not far from Pogi's crew when Lutsenko decided he could laterally levitate.

You can't make up this sort of unfortunate finish to Primoz's Tour when he was warming to the hills. Speculation on what he could have accomplished is definitely second to the disappointment for him and the competition of the race in general. He was where he should have been and approaching what would have been a safe GC finish.
Sucks.

 

[svit]

What is Roglic status now? How serious are his injuries?

 

[acm]

Damn it, Bora is good today. So sad for Rogla...

 

[Gargamel35]

It's good to see Hindley is on a very good form when he's riding for himself. Because he was unable to do **** for Roglič. I hope he gets dropped on the last climb.

 

[svit]

Yes... Suddenly Bora team can climb... /s

 

[Samu Cuenca]

It's good to see Hindley is on a very good form when he's riding for himself. Because he was unable to do **** for Roglič. I hope he gets dropped on the last climb.

Maybe, just maybe, he's recovered a bit throughout the race, and it isn't because he's anti Roglič. It's not like he's really looking like the Giro winning version of himself either.

 

[cen]

So sad.. these stages would be 40% more exciting with Rog in eternal battle with Remco