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[Valv.Piti]

When Roglic does retire, hopefully he doesn’t have any regrets about the Tour de France. Especially 2020 and 2024. He’s had a stellar career if a win doesn’t come up in the future and can add his own piece of history winning TdS next year.

Its only natural to have regrets about 2020. They played it very conservatively and that looked to be a fine strategy, but Pog decided to make his entrance. You can't account for that really, nobody did, because Roglic had shown previously that in theory he should be the hot favorite to win a stage like that, so the time gap seemed like it should be enough 95 of 100 times. Thats bike racing and Pog won it fair and square, but that was obviusly a big blow for him as he was the best GT (or at least considered) in that season specifically. He was the man.

2021 was more a case of 50/50 on paper going into the race, but everything suggests to me Pog would still have made a different to Grand Bornand. From there on its everyone's guess whether he could claw back some time. With Jonas being extremely good, and Pog looking human later in the race, Rog could have made a really interesting race and could have won the race potentially. Jonas stood no chance, but Rog would have made it closer.

2022 I think his overall level was visibly lower than 19 and 21 and specifically 20 and Jonas was flat out just stronger. He contributed to his downfall on Galibier, but Jonas would in all likelyhood still have won. He was simply the best rider in the race, so no regrets here IMO. It was out of reach due to his level being a bit lower and Pog and specifically Jonas being mutant.

2024, realistically he was in trouble on every single stage that mattered from San Luca, Galibier, Troyes and Le Lioran. To make matters worse he wasn't actually respected as a genuine contender to win on San Luca (they visibly slowed), Galibier (UAE could have put the nail in the coffin) or Troyes (was dropped multiple times, but Visma and UAE didn't seem to care that much about it). Put in a very good effort in the TT, but unless Pog and Vinge crashes or has HUGE offdays, he wouldn't stand a chance of winning the whole thing, but after Le Lioran he looked like a slight favorite for podium against C-Rod and Remco which IMO was the best display of the season.

 

[BullsFan22]

Unfortunately he cannot win TdS this year but he did win at CdD. The race is in June.

I thought TDS was also used for Tour of Spain…that’s what I was thinking of

 

[svit]

Rogla planned to be in his best form in 3rd week at 2024 TDF. And his form actually improved as shown in 11th stage. So yes, it's really a bummer that Lutsenko "decided" to take out as many rides as possible in that curve.

The thing I hate the most is that we will never know how good he would be and whether he can realistically try again next year.

I know that he has 2 max 3 shots to win the tour and I hope he will die trying to win it.

 

[Netserk]

Here's my take.

Roglic will never race Tour de Suisse.

I hope not. He ain't no Pokémon trainer.

 

[CyclistAbi]

This was just wrong, that is all there is to it, on top of that it's history.

 

[CyclistAbi]

When Roglic does retire, hopefully he doesn’t have any regrets about the Tour de France. Especially 2020 and 2024. He’s had a stellar career if a win doesn’t come up in the future and can add his own piece of history winning TdS next year.

Rogla already is record holder in this regards so technically he doesn't need to go after ToS. As for all the Tour nonsense talk. No need to respect this race ATM, by talking or dwelling about it. It's a GT stage race, whenever participating it makes sense to invest around two months into it, anything more than that, thanks but no thanks. So Tour will become relevant in around 10 months time again, if other things won't get in the way.

At this moment races like Clásica de San Sebastián takes precedence. Facts.

 

[benzwire]

Here's my take.

Roglic will never race Tour de Suisse.

He needs to do the opposite of what he's been doing. He needs to pull a Constanza, it may work out!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He needs to do the opposite of what he's been doing. He needs to pull a Constanza, it may work out!

I don't know about Roglič, but I'm pretty sure it's true for me (for I am Samu, lord of the idiots).

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Maybe he can win the TDS this year? Will he have enough time to fully recover?

Nah he should focus on liege and the giro

 

[CyclistAbi]

I agree that changing ways and respecting Tour less, as a stage race, that is indeed the way to go forward, to not listen to the instincts telling you otherwise. If they still are. Having the outmost respect and doing everything in your power, that was not rewarded. So continuing to approach it in such way, Einstein said it well, on when it comes to such repetitional things in terms of the outcome. So a bit fat, unshaven, making babies during the race ... You name it. Last thing is to take it seriously again and for the race to again repaying you in such way. Thanks but no thanks.

As for the rest of the season. That seem to work just fine, no need to change much there, the more important part of the season.

 

[Red Rick]

Top 2 would've been on the cards dudes.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Top 2 would've been on the cards dudes.

Clearly

 

[zlev11]

Top 2 would've been on the cards dudes.

you think he would've been with Vingegaard today? i was thinking the same thing. it'll be interesting to see the w/kg for today.

 

[Red Rick]

you think he would've been with Vingegaard today? i was thinking the same thing. it'll be interesting to see the w/kg for today.

Ammatti had Gall breaking the previous record....... so the numbies are at altitude.

 

[zlev11]

Ammatti had Gall breaking the previous record....... so the numbies are at altitude.

jesus

 

[Rackham]

I don't want to think about it.

I'll just take the fact Pog looks invincible again as a 'relief' tbh, i.e. I didn't care who dominated this Tour now afetr Rog DNF'd (whether Pog or Vinge) but I wanted it to be emphatic with no room for doubt.

So no regrets for Rog.

 

[FroomeWagon]

I agree that changing ways and respecting Tour less, as a stage race, that is indeed the way to go forward, to not listen to the instincts telling you otherwise. If they still are. Having the outmost respect and doing everything in your power, that was not rewarded. So continuing to approach it in such way, Einstein said it well, on when it comes to such repetitional things in terms of the outcome. So a bit fat, unshaven, making babies during the race ... You name it. Last thing is to take it seriously again and for the race to again repaying you in such way. Thanks but no thanks,

As for the rest of the season. That seem to work just fine, no need to change much there, the more important part of the season.

Here is the problem I see with that. Roglic is now being paid 4.5 Euros by Bora (or 5M Euros depending on the source). That is about 1.5M Euros too much for stage rider that isn't going to focus on the TDF. While winning the Vuelta, Giro, and one week races is nice. I think Bora is paying him to compete for the top step at the TDF.

 

[Rackham]

Here is the problem I see with that. Roglic is now being paid 4.5 Euros by Bora (or 5M Euros depending on the source). That is about 1.5M Euros too much for stage rider that isn't going to focus on the TDF. While winning the Vuelta, Giro, and one week races is nice. I think Bora is paying him to compete for the top step at the TDF.

Are we going to pretend rider salaries even reflect their actual level?

I mean Jesus.

Peter Sagan should hand over everything he 'earned' over the past 3 seasons. There's a whole load of others as well (like Gaudu, i.e. a man who's gone from self-proclaimed podium contender in the TdF to failed stage hunter who gets dropped by Ben freaking Healy on Pla d'Adet).

And even on that list you posted I'd say Pidcock & Bernal are living on reputation alone.

 

[Rackham]

Anyway I noticed Red Bull Bora were terrible again today.

First rider in the stage was Sobrero over 14 minutes down. Hindley has been body swapped with his useless twin.

I guess the 'good news' is Rog's team leadership is safe going forwards. The bad news is they're absolutely rubbish in this TdF for inexplicable reasons (like they were way better last year).

 

[FroomeWagon]

Are we going to pretend rider salaries even reflect their actual level?

I mean Jesus.

Peter Sagan should hand over everything he 'earned' over the past 3 seasons. There's a whole load of others as well (like Gaudu, i.e. a man who's gone from self-proclaimed podium contender in the TdF to failed stage hunter who gets dropped by Ben freaking Healy on Pla d'Adet).

And even on that list you posted I'd say Pidcock & Bernal are living on reputation alone.

He is on the first year of a two year contract ... haha. Clearly Bora must have had some expectations when they signed that 9 months ago.

Here is the good news for most of his fans. I doubt Roglic has given up on himself for the TDF as many of his fans appear to have.

 

[Red Rick]

Here is the problem I see with that. Roglic is now being paid 4.5 Euros by Bora (or 5M Euros depending on the source). That is about 1.5M Euros too much for stage rider that isn't going to focus on the TDF. While winning the Vuelta, Giro, and one week races is nice. I think Bora is paying him to compete for the top step at the TDF.

Pretty sure this is after he bought it out himself i.e. it would amount to 3M after buying his own freedom

 

[FroomeWagon]

Pretty sure this is after he bought it out himself i.e. it would amount to 3M after buying his own freedom

If you have better info, then I believe you. Lot's of conflicting information out there. I found this in another article.

https://biketips.com/primoz-roglic-completes-bora-hansgrohe-transfer/

CyclingNews reports that BORA-hansgrohe paid a fee of €3 million ($3.17 million USD) to Jumbo-Visma to buy out the remaining two years of Roglič’s contract at the Dutch outfit.

Roglič’s salary at BORA-hansgrohe will reportedly earn him €10 million ($10.56 million USD) over the duration of the two-year contract.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@FroomeWagon

Why do you see a problem with that? Are you drinking Red Bull and you feel your money should be spent elsewhere? How much would you pay then, for a rider capable of topping anybody in a GT race?

I mean, it's not like Rogla won't ride TDF any more, and to prepare well. But by now it's becoming rather clear the respect is being rather one sided, this relationship is in my opinion becoming a bit tainted.

Spending some time apart, i feel that is reasonable approach now. For the next 10 months i don't want to hear anything about the Tour, beyond congratulating the winner.

P.S. Would Rogla finish high today? Such a rhetorical question, why wouldn't he, when has he not. Damn, that sour taste again in my mouth. Anyway. More important races now to come, Tour already a history, and lets hope Rogla does well, season still being long.

 

[FroomeWagon]

@FroomeWagon

Why do you see a problem with that? Are you drinking Red Bull and you feel your money should be spent elsewhere? How much would you pay then, for a rider capable of topping anybody in a GT race?

I mean, it's not like Rogla won't ride TDF any more, and to prepare well. But by now it's becoming rather clear the respect is being rather one sided, this relationship is in my opinion becoming a bit tainted.

Spending some time apart, i feel that is reasonable approach now. For the next 10 months i don't want to hear anything about the Tour, beyond congratulating the winner.

P.S. Would Rogla finish high today? Such a rhetorical question, why wouldn't he, when has he not. Damn, that sour taste again in my mouth. Anyway. More important races now to come, Tour already a history, and lets hope Rogla does well, season still being long.

My complaint has nothing to do with Roglic and nothing to do with Bora paying him a lot of money ... and everything to do with his fans in this forum saying he should give up on focusing on the TDF.

If I am Bora or if I am Roglic, I am back in 2025 focused on winning that race again. That is why Bora is paying him, that is why Roglic changed teams.

 

[acm]

Top 2 would've been on the cards dudes.

Definitely.