Get off your high horse and stop lying, Thierry. So tiresome when people can't own up to their mistakes. Just sends a signal to everyone that it isn't their fault and nothing will change.
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Let's hope he doesn't fall into a crevice once every 18 days.
Seriously, though. I'm completely gutted. Once again a race that was shaping up to be awesome has lost a lot of its appeal for me.
he tried that last year but Jonas and GC Kuss moved in on his turf 😢.
Honestly I admire these athletes that are willing to really go for the tour, despite not being the two monsters. And mentally he might need to convince himself that he can still win it if he trains hard enough; in order to train hard enough to maintain current level.
Indeed!
Athletes has to be role models for kids and live up to standards; but how about we all set these standards for ourselves that we ask of others?
Btw I totally didn’t take the last cookie from the jar, I think it was Mike.
Which if correct, is madness. Yesterday was unlucky - but most of the others aren't. He just doesn't have the skills - staying on the bike is pretty important.
As for the ASO; their arrogance is breathtaking......poor organisation, and they need to hold their hands up. But they haven't.....
The French and their cartoons...I think all cycling fans that are not heartless have to feel at least a bit sad with what happened to Roglič.
Hope that Roglič can recover physically and mentally for the Vuelta, he should have a really good shot of getting a historical fourth win especially because Red Bull can line-up with Hindley, Vlasov, Martinez and Lipowitz to support him.
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First things first, I really feel bad for Roglic, but unfortunately him crashing out was not a suprise. Don't get me wrong some of his crashes as people stated on here were due to bad luck, but many of his crashes are his fault and when it happens so often it gets to a point where it's not an accident anymore. Ultimately he was too far back, if he was at the front of the peloton like Pogacar and Vingegaard, he would've avoided it.
Like I said I feel real bad for him and I hope he wins the Vuelta.
Like I said I feel real bad for him and I hope he wins the Vuelta.
As Niki Terpstra said on a podcast, you don't have to remove them. Just indicate them. And not just with a bit of paint, so that afterwards you can see what you've just crashed over.
Thijs Zonneveld (much maligned journalist among Bora fans) already warned about exactly this type of road furniture yesterday morning btw.
So what was the big red and white marking we could see?
This stage shows how bad the team really is. Their only objective for today is to be in the breakaway and they did not manage. And Haller, I mean why is this guy even on a bike. He has the body of a shot putter. At the team presentation he looked like he just came out of a biergarten after having a few too many sausage salads. He may be useful only if there is a belching competition....
But, if everyone fighting to be at the front. Crashes occur too and people are getting angry.
Might be time to forget the Tour and win another Vuelta or Giro unless podiums mean more than winning other grand tours but I guess Bora were paying him the big dollars to win the Tour as they have already won the Giro. Next season will be interesting re Hindley and Roglic, whether Hindley will still be there and what grand tours they target. Roglic can still recover for this year's Vuelta and he will have fresher legs than most of the other GC riders. Hindley was sick in the first week but will probably try for a stage now. Bora collectively haven't looked good in this race so far.
Again the narrative of Roglic's bike handling and "being" too far away from the front of the peloton. History shows it doesn't matter. He was in the front, he fought to be in the front, he hid behind and still crashed due to circumstances.
TDF major crashes were not his fault.
TDF major crashes were not his fault.
Not good news (for PR, Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe, or the TdF).
There is obviously one big not so positive outcome from what happened. Rogla targeting the Tour and not having a chance to show on the road, the results. This obviously is the biggest blow on personal level and for this sport and this race in general.
Beyond that i feel that we can be rather optimistic. Being his first season, or better half of the season, Rogla riding for Red Bull–BORA–hansgrohe. We went from Rogla not being in the mood, due to team forgetting in keeping him warm, to first prestigious ITT win, to first stage race win, to riding half of the Tour on where Rogla was up there, fighting with the best. First nine days of the race really being demanding, an all out racing across all terrains, still Rogla on the bullish trajectory. Such things should in my opinion not be taken for granted. In the end it is in my opinion good, that Rogla at least got such feedback.
Another thing we seen is UAE and Visma, as teams, they are playing with each other and the rest of the teams don't come remotely close. Here i feel that in the future seasons Rogla should get much better team support and although ATM only at beginning, he already is riding for a new super team. If riders of a calibre like Remco and/or Wout would to join in some future, that in my opinion wouldn't undermine Rogličes ambitions, instead it would likely only increase the level of progress in areas such as access to best materials, nutrition, tactics ... Once the team develops a new youngster into what they say to be new Max Verstappen of cycling. Then indeed other rides in the team will likely get sidetracked a bit. Said that realistically we are at minimum 3 to 5 years from that.
As for the crashes debates, people tend to forget easily, we have riders directly out of an ICU competing and basically every single rider from the top favourites already crashed this season. Some people not even paying attention to things like crashing alone or being crashed out. You quickly realize fans are really not the best metric in this regards. Riders just crash a whole lot.
We had long talks and determined injury prevention is something governing bodies are responsible for the most. For example most of the injuries Jonas, Remco and Rogla sustained in this season could have easily be prevented, with better safety apparel. Again, this is something for governing bodies to address properly, one positive side being, teams are now investing way too much money into riders and it's not economically viable any more, for riders being injured. Especially as apparel costing less then an average price of racing bike could prevent most of the injuries mentioned. I am sure that UCI will be pressured, by teams, into mandating the usage of such apparel in future races and the number of injuries will get substantially reduced as a result. Organisers, as i seen debate about that, in my opinion they won't take responsibility in the area of injuries prevention. And they are not all that good at crashes prevention either, likely due to not having much liability.
All in all Rogla, although not finishing, has again been a leader of a super team in formation at the Tour, messing with other favourites balls, legs and intelligence, successfully, now that in my opinion still warrants for a cautious smile.
So what is next. Two options at hand, to win a one day race event or yes, indeed, a GT could still be in the books. We'll see.
Beyond that i feel that we can be rather optimistic. Being his first season, or better half of the season, Rogla riding for Red Bull–BORA–hansgrohe. We went from Rogla not being in the mood, due to team forgetting in keeping him warm, to first prestigious ITT win, to first stage race win, to riding half of the Tour on where Rogla was up there, fighting with the best. First nine days of the race really being demanding, an all out racing across all terrains, still Rogla on the bullish trajectory. Such things should in my opinion not be taken for granted. In the end it is in my opinion good, that Rogla at least got such feedback.
Another thing we seen is UAE and Visma, as teams, they are playing with each other and the rest of the teams don't come remotely close. Here i feel that in the future seasons Rogla should get much better team support and although ATM only at beginning, he already is riding for a new super team. If riders of a calibre like Remco and/or Wout would to join in some future, that in my opinion wouldn't undermine Rogličes ambitions, instead it would likely only increase the level of progress in areas such as access to best materials, nutrition, tactics ... Once the team develops a new youngster into what they say to be new Max Verstappen of cycling. Then indeed other rides in the team will likely get sidetracked a bit. Said that realistically we are at minimum 3 to 5 years from that.
As for the crashes debates, people tend to forget easily, we have riders directly out of an ICU competing and basically every single rider from the top favourites already crashed this season. Some people not even paying attention to things like crashing alone or being crashed out. You quickly realize fans are really not the best metric in this regards. Riders just crash a whole lot.
We had long talks and determined injury prevention is something governing bodies are responsible for the most. For example most of the injuries Jonas, Remco and Rogla sustained in this season could have easily be prevented, with better safety apparel. Again, this is something for governing bodies to address properly, one positive side being, teams are now investing way too much money into riders and it's not economically viable any more, for riders being injured. Especially as apparel costing less then an average price of racing bike could prevent most of the injuries mentioned. I am sure that UCI will be pressured, by teams, into mandating the usage of such apparel in future races and the number of injuries will get substantially reduced as a result. Organisers, as i seen debate about that, in my opinion they won't take responsibility in the area of injuries prevention. And they are not all that good at crashes prevention either, likely due to not having much liability.
All in all Rogla, although not finishing, has again been a leader of a super team in formation at the Tour, messing with other favourites balls, legs and intelligence, successfully, now that in my opinion still warrants for a cautious smile.
So what is next. Two options at hand, to win a one day race event or yes, indeed, a GT could still be in the books. We'll see.
No but i bet half the riders in the peloton would have avoided them, yesterday's for sure
If cycling gods really exist, then he'll win Vuelta and WC.
Agree that he did show positiv things, in my book he would probably come out on top against Remco, as their levels are now. I'm just having a hard time seeing things work out for him in the tour, this year really was the weakest you would expect pogi and Jonas to be, but you never know.
Think I remember you talking about this "safety apparel" before and finding it very unrealistic.
Yes but unfortunately there are a lot of examples of him crashing where he was at fault, PN 2021, Vuelta 22, heck even on the decent yesterday.
I'm a Roglic fan but as I've said before, people aren't surprised by him crashing out..
Roglic is 35 in October. He had a late start to the sport but a Tour win now is unlikely when his main adversaries are just hitting their peak years for grand tour riders. Evans won the Tour at 34 and he was the second oldest to do it. Firmin Lambot was 36 when he won in 1922. Never say never but Roglic would need a lot to go his way to win it now. Most good grand tour riders have peaked by the age of 32 or so and Evans only had one grand tour podium after he won the Tour in 2011. He probably has one more shot, two at the most.
Still, Geraint Thomas was super strong in last year's Giro.
Modern sport also seems to favor longevity with its athletes more than in the past. I mean look at tennis, i.e. not just Djokovic but a guy like Struff who reached his career best level in his 30's.
We'll know more once the dust on this Tour has settled. Evidently the team isn't so great here (losing Vlasov pretty much sealed Rog's fate tbh considering he would have been very isolated in the mountains without him). There's also some Evenepoel to Red Bull transfer rumors flying around which we'll need to keep an eye on.
So who knows what the future holds. I have no particular 'hopes' either other than Rog finding his own peace & happiness, i.e. whether that's by coming back & smashing the Vuelta for number 4 or saying "f*ck it" & quitting the sport entirely because he's had enough. As a fan I'd obviously want him to return to his best & win big things but there's a form of selfishness to that which I can at least recognize. I mean the guy isn't immortal. He won't keep winning stuff just for our amusement forever.
And if this TdF has taught us anything it's that fairy-tales aren't universal. Winners get the fairy-tale, everyone else gets the disappointment.
One positive thing about Rogličes age is it seem that everybody know his birthday. In my opinion that is an achievement by itself. If he would be younger nobody would even care.
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While he'll no longer be as strong as in 2020/2021, I think he will be able to maintain the level of the past two years for two years more. Who knows, maybe a slight bit under that but for even longer. Injuries rather than mileage is the worry.
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