Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Keelhaul]

It’s a good review of the major crashes but if you want a real description of how often he crashes on races you have to have all the minor crashes as well. For example then one descent two days ago, if you crash a lot some of them are bound to be critical and that is just not unlucky but a reflection of skill of ability to handle stress or fatigue.

Imo the crashes missing from here are mostly his own fault but almost all of them are unpleasant but not race ending.

The big ones were all situations where he got literally taken out except for Vuelta 2022, which was his fault although I still don't get what exactly happened.

 

[Rackham]

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Let's hope 'upcoming goals' = Vuelta.

 

[BullsFan22]

I mean, he’ll be 35 in November. I think he’s got one more shot next season, but who knows. Honestly, it was hard seeing him winning the tour this season. His serious chances likely ended a couple years ago.

 

[ppanther92]

Well, I never was a direct fan but sad, considering this was his last (long shot) at the Tour. It won't get "better" for him than Giro-Pogi, ICU-Vingo, and Rookie-Remco...

 

[ppanther92]

Also doubtful if Red Bull goes once more all in on Roglic or rather tries to sign a younger leader, they can work with for many years. Ayuso, for example (although personally I doubt he has, what it takes to win a Tour).

 

[Keelhaul]

Also doubtful if Red Bull goes once more all in on Roglic or rather tries to sign a younger leader, they can work with for many years. Ayuso, for example.

Have they gone all in on Roglic? Because if this is all in, no potential superstar should sign with them.

 

[ppanther92]

Have they gone all in on Roglic? Because if this is all in, no potential superstar should sign with them.

Ofc this is all in. They made Vlasov and Hindley, both on their own on a leader contract for sure, his domestiques. They brought no sprinter. They don't go in breaks.

Also listening to Denk on the ARD podcast weeks ago, they made the Tour squad train and ride together basically all season. All camps, for weeks. I would say thats as committed as it can get.

If they did a good job, considering the form Hindley showed up and the depth of the roster (Denz, Haller, van Poppel, Jungels, Sobrero are all decent riders but ofc not super domestiques like WvA - which would be an obvious signing) is another topic.

 

[theyoungest]

Also doubtful if Red Bull goes once more all in on Roglic or rather tries to sign a younger leader, they can work with for many years. Ayuso, for example (although personally I doubt he has, what it takes to win a Tour).

Reportedly they're after Evenepoel. Won't be for next year though.

I think like you see with UAE it doesn't suffice to just throw a lot of money at it though. You also need to have some sort of plan and a structure. This Tour their strategy was non-existent.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I really hope that he makes his big target for next year the Tour de Suisse: the complete set of the seven one-weekers is his best route to history. They tried to tempt him there with a route perfectly suited to him.

Of course the Tour is the One that every rider who could get it wants, but he just had the misfortune to become a contender at the wrong time.

 

[Netserk]

It was obvious to anyone who knows him and saw it yesterday. This was yet another ugly KO.

And yet posters go out of their way to "cheer" him up, he just needs to be tough. Tis but a scratch. Or post here about the situation without even having watched it. Or use him crashing out of the Tour to talk about who's really suffering: their favourite rider. Heaps of BS false equivalences, jumping the shark to get the talking points out.

Let's just say that such behaviour has been noted.

 

[Keelhaul]

Ofc this is all in. They made Vlasov and Hindley, both on their own on a leader contract for sure, his domestiques.

I understand they went through the motions, except neither Vlasov or Hindley really felt like domestiques really. Bora felt like a disorganized mess to me. In the case of the crash I feel the team is less at fault, but I think they haven't managed the race too well - Aldag himself said they really can't do anything about the other teams, so they won't.

 

[ppanther92]

I understand they went through the motions, except neither Vlasov or Hindley really felt like domestiques really. Bora felt like a disorganized mess to me. In the case of the crash I feel the team is less at fault, but I think they haven't managed the race too well - Aldag himself said they really can't do anything about the other teams, so they won't.

I disagree in organization a bit. Think the team tried to be there and riding for him. Prep seemed to be gone wrong though. So the riders are too weak to be meaningful support.

 

[Keelhaul]

I disagree in organization a bit. Think the team tried to be there and riding for him. Prep seemed to be gone wrong though. So the riders are too weak to be meaningful support.

I don't think Hindley and Vlasov being support as in "dropping with Tiesj Benoot" qualifies as support. In the gravel stage, Roglic went without support for 120Ks.

 

[CleanCiclismo]

He was looking better and better. I really believe that his goal was to be the best in week 3. But the fact that we were joking how long would it take him before he crashed says a lot. He lasted 10 days. It's a shame and I hope he comes back again. It wouldn't be the first, second, third... time.

 

[Rackham]

Ofc this is all in. They made Vlasov and Hindley, both on their own on a leader contract for sure, his domestiques.

Considering their level, it's quite normal. Hindley has been nowhere. Maybe he's demoralized, I have no idea & I can only speculate why he's much worse this season than the last couple of years. Vlasov was a very good teammate though.

As for Rog & the Tour, I think it's a case of stick a fork in it. It's done.

As a fan I don't think I even want to see him go back there. For the casuals who only watch the Tour they'll think he's just a crash merchant who DNF's every race. But with 4 GT's & over 80 career wins, there's so much more to this rider than the Tour de France & all the best memories are from other races in other countries.

 

[Red Rick]

Honestly, I worry more for the mental damage of this crash tham the physical damage.

That said, he was riding worse after the crash than the 2022 TdF one

 

[Miha81]

All cycling and sports related media at least in Slovenia announced that he won't start today

 

[Divergence]

Ofc this is all in. They made Vlasov and Hindley, both on their own on a leader contract for sure, his domestiques. They brought no sprinter. They don't go in breaks.

Also listening to Denk on the ARD podcast weeks ago, they made the Tour squad train and ride together basically all season. All camps, for weeks. I would say thats as committed as it can get.

If they did a good job, considering the form Hindley showed up and the depth of the roster (Denz, Haller, van Poppel, Jungels, Sobrero are all decent riders but ofc not super domestiques like WvA - which would be an obvious signing) is another topic.

Theoretically they went all in, but in reality the team sucks at the TdF.
First of all stage 2 where it took some time before Vlasov and Hindley were chasing at the front.
Then what the hell did Denz, DvP, Haller and Sobrero do. They were hanging at the back of the peloton getting dropped by Bart van Lemmen (or however his name is spelled). Even yesterday, there was nobody around Rog. The team was not even for a second at the front.
Lastly, you said they made Vlasov and Hindley go all in. Realistically Vlasov and Hindley are just marginal top 10 riders and it is not like they were sacrificing a lot.

 

[Keelhaul]

All cycling and sports related media at least in Slovenia announced that he won't start today.

Bora confirmed already

 

[Miha81]

Bora confirmed already

Yeah. Just saw. I wonder what future goals will be.

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Super annoying, made it through so many sprint stages and the gravel one just to be caught so closely before we had almost only GC stages left.
Only small positive I see is that they at least made the decision right away and didn't try to proceed for a few days. Gives room for a potential Vuelta.

 

[jsem94]

Such a shame. Never really thought he was in contention for the overall this year, but I honestly don't even think he will podium the Tour ever again - unless he goes full Chris Horner or something.

 

[pablohidalgo7]

***, he was coming into gis best shape when it matters. I hope that Remco and one of the two aliens do not fail in the third week, because then this abandonment will be more cruel but I have that feeling...

 

[Keelhaul]

***, he was coming into gis best shape when it matters. I hope that Remco and one of the two aliens do not fail in the third week, because then this abandonment will be more cruel but I have that feeling...

I honestly think all of them will crack at some point.

 

[tobydawq]

It was obvious to anyone who knows him and saw it yesterday. This was yet another ugly KO.

And yet posters go out of their way to "cheer" him up, he just needs to be tough. Tis but a scratch. Or post here about the situation without even having watched it. Or use him crashing out of the Tour to talk about who's really suffering: their favourite rider. Heaps of BS false equivalences, jumping the shark to get the talking points out.

Let's just say that such behaviour has been noted.

Sure. People's behavior after Valverde's crash in Düsseldorf was also noted, Netserk.