Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[James M]

I'm just happy, he looks happy. It's not easy to be pushed aside by the GOAT of cycling of the same nation. But maybe it is easier, because Pog is just head nad shoulders better than anybody. He'll be able to talk about racing in the era of the best cyclist in the world (ever) while being one of the best for years also.

This post is gold and very true. Yeah I agree Roglic got no reason to hold his head down like at all, glad seeing him smile too as he is a legend and a good fellow nothing else so he deserves anything.

 

[Rackham]

Roglic smoking Pogacar in Emilia again would be objectively funny.

Nah. Let Pog smoke Rog in Emilia... and Rog then wins Lombardia.

Mix it up a little.

 

[cen]

Too bad he didn't stay in the MVDP/Remco group for a bit, would be epic to see the classics repeat and forum trolling would go through the roof..

 

[Valv.Piti]

View: https://youtu.be/sNL-6kXwwTQ?si=1uUb3aFoyQAHbTiz

Thats some quite impressive acting, I really doubt that he cares one single bit about Pog winning. Could be wrong ofc.

 

[zlev11]

The team was the strongest on 2 or 3 stages. There were plenty of times Roglic was left to fend for himself, add in Bora completely messing up stage 6, and their team wide sick fiasco. 2021 Vuelta Roglic was a lot stronger, while 2024 is arguable with 2019.

did you actually watch the race? the team set him up for huge attacks like 6 times. he was continually the only GC rider that had a teammate with him when a big selection happened. stage 6 was not a mess up, they let the 12th best climber in the race hold the jersey for the whole race while they had him at a comfortable gap from stage 13 on.

 

[zlev11]

Thats some quite impressive acting, I really doubt that he cares one single bit about Pog winning. Could be wrong ofc.

nah he's not a fake spoiled brat like Remco

 

[SHAD0W93]

did you actually watch the race? the team set him up for huge attacks like 6 times. he was continually the only GC rider that had a teammate with him when a big selection happened. stage 6 was not a mess up, they let the 12th best climber in the race hold the jersey for the whole race while they had him at a comfortable gap from stage 13 on.

I did, the team fell apart repeatedly leaving Roglic to do it himself. On top of his bad stage having no one that helped them though had the luck of the stage finishing on a descent. Did you watch the race with the same eyes you used during 2022 Vuelta stage 17?

 

[zlev11]

I did, the team fell apart repeatedly leaving Roglic to do it himself. On top of his bad stage having no one that helped them though had the luck of the stage finishing on a descent. Did you watch the race with the same eyes you used during 2022 Vuelta stage 17?

you're just flat out wrong though. the team fell apart once, on stage 20, because half the team got food poisoning. they still ended up with more riders than any other team in the selection on the penultimate climb, with a super ride from Roger Adria especially. what other stage did they fall apart on? on the only other mountain stage that they didn't dominate, stage 9, Roglic was in a group of 7 GC riders and still had a teammate with him the entire time, which nobody else had. everyone who attacked on that stage lost big time on the descent and final run in. on what stage did Roglic have to do anything but attack the last climb by himself? did you make this up in your own head?

here, since you clearly didn't watch the race i'll fill you in on what happened:
Stage 8: Martinez set a huge pace at the bottom of the final climb and split the group (with the help of a crash admittedly), Roglic then attacked repeatedly and won the stage. what else could they have done there?

Stage 11: Denz, Gamper and Martinez went into the breakaway, the first two fell back to help set a huge tempo on the final climb, in which Vlasov and Roglic dropped everyone with their own pace except for Mas. Roglic attacked, caught Martinez on the descent, who paced the group to help gain more time on the leader.

Stage 13: i mean, cmon. perfection.

Stage 15: Lipowitz dragged Roglic off the front of the GC group at the beginning of the steep part, but Roglic didn't have the legs to finish it off.

Stage 19: see stage 13

 

[svit]

Yes, yes... Roglic is old and washed. He's just a wheel sucker and his teammates always dragged him up, so he could sprint at the end. He should just end his career already.

RBH team in Vuelta was decent, not the best (UAE was better), but good enough to secure Roglic win.

 

[joe_papp]

What do you guys hope for Rog's career arc going forward? How competitive do you think he has to be in both/either GTs and/or prestige one-day races in order for his presence not to be icky/sad? Is there any risk that he'll carry on for too long and debase himself?

 

[Peyroteo94]

What do you guys hope for Rog's career arc going forward? How competitive do you think he has to be in both/either GTs and/or prestige one-day races in order for his presence not to be icky/sad? Is there any risk that he'll carry on for too long and debase himself?

IMHO, Roglic won his last big win in 2024 Vuelta. I feel he is fading, he is less consistent than ever, even in this Vuelta, he had some troubles occasionally. I will wait for his 2025 racing program to access how many wins he will get but if he races against Vingegaard or Pogacar all year, he will not get relevant wins, not even in Pais Vasco.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

What do you guys hope for Rog's career arc going forward? How competitive do you think he has to be in both/either GTs and/or prestige one-day races in order for his presence not to be icky/sad? Is there any risk that he'll carry on for too long and debase himself?

Next season a Tour podium and one week wins should still be possible. Another Vuelta possible as well if Pogacar and Vingegaard are not there. I dont think there is a big risk of his level dropping dramatically from this season to the next.

 

[joe_papp]

Next season a Tour podium and one week wins should still be possible. Another Vuelta possible as well if Pogacar and Vingegaard are not there. I dont think there is a big risk of his level dropping dramatically from this season to the next.

Head to head next season at the Tour, barring injury/illness, I wonder who comes out on top in battle for 3rd: Pog' or Remco.

 

[Peter von]

What do you guys hope for Rog's career arc going forward? How competitive do you think he has to be in both/either GTs and/or prestige one-day races in order for his presence not to be icky/sad? Is there any risk that he'll carry on for too long and debase himself?

I think only going full froomey would be sad, struggling to finish in the peloton is sad, I think worst case decline is to top 10 contender, but that is still pretty great.

He will probably try for the big races again next year, I agree with @Peyroteo94 that he is rather unlikely to win if he goes for the big races with Pogi, Vingo and Remco, but that shouldn't stop him from trying tho.

 

[Gargamel35]

I hope he'll go to Giro if Pog and Vinge won't be there, and then stage hunt TdF. Vuelta is always an option for him and he'll go there despite any other of top 3 being there too.

In reality it's probably going to be another "all in" for Tour season. I doubt Red Bull would want it any other way. So, he'll be forced to pick his races towards Tour, peak there and "maybe" fight for third or top 5. As long as he finishes without injuries, it would be a great success.

Anything really, just don't crash for gods sake.

 

[Panda Claws]

A second Giro win would be doable for sure.

 

[cen]

IMHO, Roglic won his last big win in 2024 Vuelta. I feel he is fading, he is less consistent than ever, even in this Vuelta, he had some troubles occasionally. I will wait for his 2025 racing program to access how many wins he will get but if he races against Vingegaard or Pogacar all year, he will not get relevant wins, not even in Pais Vasco.

I don't think this is true at all, if we eliminate the uncertainty of the gap to BOC, this was one of the most solid Vuelta victories. He had major struggles in at least 2 previous editions where he had to fight for his life to stay in front. Not to mention he had to win Giro in the final ITT.

 

[iBanesto]

 

[zlev11]

Yes, yes... Roglic is old and washed. He's just a wheel sucker and his teammates always dragged him up, so he could sprint at the end. He should just end his career already.

I never said any of this. Roglic attacked like crazy and won the race with his own power, but his team certainly never let him down, or "tried to lose him the race".

 

[Red Rick]

I wonder if he just missed the right move when those 20 went away in the chase and just phoned it in, but I don't think he had much.

IMO he should normally be able to make that chase group at 2 laps to go, but he probably lacked endurance a lot. It's never been his strength, and he didn't get to rebuild it much for the Vuelta, which he won by just crushing everyone in fresh efforts.

 

[SHAD0W93]

you're just flat out wrong though. the team fell apart once, on stage 20, because half the team got food poisoning. they still ended up with more riders than any other team in the selection on the penultimate climb, with a super ride from Roger Adria especially. what other stage did they fall apart on? on the only other mountain stage that they didn't dominate, stage 9, Roglic was in a group of 7 GC riders and still had a teammate with him the entire time, which nobody else had. everyone who attacked on that stage lost big time on the descent and final run in. on what stage did Roglic have to do anything but attack the last climb by himself? did you make this up in your own head?

here, since you clearly didn't watch the race i'll fill you in on what happened:
Stage 8: Martinez set a huge pace at the bottom of the final climb and split the group (with the help of a crash admittedly), Roglic then attacked repeatedly and won the stage. what else could they have done there?

Stage 11: Denz, Gamper and Martinez went into the breakaway, the first two fell back to help set a huge tempo on the final climb, in which Vlasov and Roglic dropped everyone with their own pace except for Mas. Roglic attacked, caught Martinez on the descent, who paced the group to help gain more time on the leader.

Stage 13: i mean, cmon. perfection.

Stage 15: Lipowitz dragged Roglic off the front of the GC group at the beginning of the steep part, but Roglic didn't have the legs to finish it off.

Stage 19: see stage 13

Thanks for answering my question.

 

[zlev11]

Thanks for answering my question.

just admit you were posting BS and didn't actually pay any attention to the actual race, watching you flail like this is uncomfortable

 

[Miha81]

I wonder if he just missed the right move when those 20 went away in the chase and just phoned it in, but I don't think he had much.

IMO he should normally be able to make that chase group at 2 laps to go, but he probably lacked endurance a lot. It's never been his strength, and he didn't get to rebuild it much for the Vuelta, which he won by just crushing everyone in fresh efforts.

It was not his kind of race and most likely did not rebuild shape after Vuelta. It was obvious that he is not in top shape in ITT.

2025 ITT should suit him well. I wonder if both Slovenians will start in it in 2025.

 

[SHAD0W93]

just admit you were posting BS and didn't actually pay any attention to the actual race, watching you flail like this is uncomfortable

I watched the race. It’s one of the few races I can actually watch live.

 

[zlev11]

I watched the race. It’s one of the few races I can actually watch live.

ah alright, so it's just that your IQ matches the room temperature then. got it.