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Netserk

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Red Rick said:
I wonder if he just missed the right move when those 20 went away in the chase and just phoned it in, but I don't think he had much.

IMO he should normally be able to make that chase group at 2 laps to go, but he probably lacked endurance a lot. It's never been his strength, and he didn't get to rebuild it much for the Vuelta, which he won by just crushing everyone in fresh efforts.
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As he was with Van Gils in the group of 30 riders that finished 39th and down, I think they were detached when Evenepoel began attacking.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
IMHO, Roglic won his last big win in 2024 Vuelta. I feel he is fading, he is less consistent than ever, even in this Vuelta, he had some troubles occasionally. I will wait for his 2025 racing program to access how many wins he will get but if he races against Vingegaard or Pogacar all year, he will not get relevant wins, not even in Pais Vasco.
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The guy had several hard crashes and had to quit the Tour. That's not ideal training to jump into a Vuelta and doubtful he's recovered from that effort. 2025 is a new year for everyone. Vingegaard has won how many GTs or major races this year? He's a question mark for 2025, too.
 
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joe_papp said:
What do you guys hope for Rog's career arc going forward? How competitive do you think he has to be in both/either GTs and/or prestige one-day races in order for his presence not to be icky/sad? Is there any risk that he'll carry on for too long and debase himself?
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Depends on how long he wants to continue racing. From a statistical perspective it’d be nice to see him get TdS, TdF go for GC or stage hunt, and then fifth Vuelta and the record.
 
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Netserk said:
As he was with Van Gils in the group of 30 riders that finished 39th and down, I think they were detached when Evenepoel began attacking.
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That's quite clear. It wasn't a moment that was caught too well on TV.

There were some initial moves with MvdP on the rolling plateau, then Evenepoel and a few others bridged on the kicker before the main descent and Rog missed the move there.

Question is if he was just asleep at the wheel or just ran empty. At some point earlier I think the group was close to 20 guys and he was in it on top of Witikon then he did what Rog is prone to do and just parked it.

He didn't seem upset to say the least.
 
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Red Rick said:
That's quite clear. It wasn't a moment that was caught too well on TV.

There were some initial moves with MvdP on the rolling plateau, then Evenepoel and a few others bridged on the kicker before the main descent and Rog missed the move there.

Question is if he was just asleep at the wheel or just ran empty. At some point earlier I think the group was close to 20 guys and he was in it on top of Witikon then he did what Rog is prone to do and just parked it.

He didn't seem upset to say the least.
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I think he ran empty.

The pace of the race was very intense for everyone. And I don't think he had the best preparation after winning the Vuelta.
 
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SHAD0W93 said:
Depends on how long he wants to continue racing. From a statistical perspective it’d be nice to see him get TdS, TdF go for GC or stage hunt, and then fifth Vuelta and the record.
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I'm by no means a stat nerd or even much of a basic records-checker (the now unrealized Remco Double-Double being an exception), but I wonder how long the typical GT-winner continues their career after last winning a GT, and how productive they remain in non-GT races. And then how long passes b/w when they last win any non-fixed criterium race and they retire.

And when I said "icky" originally, of course I was thinking of Froome, who really debases himself by continuing, though I respect his post-accident graft (impressive tenacity trying to get the full five years of income!).
 
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Red Rick said:
Suisse is what you think about when you havent won a GT in 4 years

Would love for him to race the Giro
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He wants Suisse so he can say he's the first one ever to have won all 7 big WT-races, before Pogacar does it basically.

I would also like to see him do the Giro + Vuelta double. Pogacar and Vingegaard will probably do the TDF + Vuelta, and I can see Evenepoel go for Giro + TDF. Another Giro with Roglic and Evenepoel would be nice.
 
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If Pog and Vinge focus on the TdF next year, then the Giro is a no brainer. Go for it.

At this point in his career he needs the mental clarity and self-awareness... to basically clean up wherever he can.

I said before, during and after the Tour: winning stuff is better than losing stuff. So Vuelta > a TdF Podium, likewise another Giro win next year would be an amazing achievement.
 
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Berniece said:
He wants Suisse so he can say he's the first one ever to have won all 7 big WT-races, before Pogacar does it basically.

I would also like to see him do the Giro + Vuelta double. Pogacar and Vingegaard will probably do the TDF + Vuelta, and I can see Evenepoel go for Giro + TDF. Another Giro with Roglic and Evenepoel would be nice.
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Sorry but it doesn't matter if he wins all 7 one week stage races because there is no Tour in his palmares. A shame btw, he will never win a Tour when riders like Bernal won one year earlier from his terrible loss in France
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Sorry but it doesn't matter if he wins all 7 one week stage races because there is no Tour in his palmares. A shame btw, he will never win a Tour when riders like Bernal won one year earlier from his terrible loss in France
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Doesn't matter to who? To you? He isn't doing it for you. He's doing it for himself, to write himself another time in the history books.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Sorry but it doesn't matter if he wins all 7 one week stage races because there is no Tour in his palmares. A shame btw, he will never win a Tour when riders like Bernal won one year earlier from his terrible loss in France
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Says who? This performance hasn't been done even by Merckx/Hinault etc. As for Tour the evolution of the mutants kinda *** him over. Bernal has Tour/Giro yet in GC tier list he is far behing Rog all-time. Tour is overrated only by casual fans. Fans who follow cycling know the level and how races are won.
 
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