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Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

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From his statements it's obvious he's doing the Giro since he says he wants to approach it differently, not targeting Tour as his main goal. This pretty much leaves out Vuelta since he doesn't need to target Vuelta in order to win it (as proven many times) therefore it makes no sense to do Tour-Vuelta double with Vuelta being main goal. It does make sense to do Giro-Tour double with Giro being main goal and hoping he can have a fun Tour after that. And if he actually means TdS-Tour with TdS being his main goal, then he's just being ridiculous...
 
From his statements it's obvious he's doing the Giro since he says he wants to approach it differently, not targeting Tour as his main goal. This pretty much leaves out Vuelta since he doesn't need to target Vuelta in order to win it (as proven many times) therefore it makes no sense to do Tour-Vuelta double with Vuelta being main goal. It does make sense to do Giro-Tour double with Giro being main goal and hoping he can have a fun Tour after that. And if he actually means TdS-Tour with TdS being his main goal, then he's just being ridiculous...
Giro should be exciting now. Roglic against Almeida/Ayuso and probably Remco there. Of course this excitement will go off the Window if Vingegaard starts the Giro
 
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l0aBU4KOo0



So Rogličes first pro cycling salary was 300e and he was prepared to do it for free, he valued the given opportunity more. Red Bull helmet was an object of desire since his ski jumping days, on where Andreas Goldberger got to wear one.

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First impression he can do something in pro cycling was a prologue at Giro 2016 on where the realisation hit, i can time trial.

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Tour 2020 didn't left sour taste as this was a maximum and Rogla stands behind that result. Rogla expresses gratitude towards his family for unconditional support in chasing his dreams. For young people his advice is be dedicated toward your goals, the results, if they come or not, the important thing is to be able to have fun and to smile. Not everybody needs to become a professional athlete.
 
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I would say winning WC RR/ITT or Lombardie would also be pretty big upgrade. I really want to see him racing only ardenes classics, TdS,TdF, WC and Lombardie next year.
That's not a small itinerary, though. At this age anything he wins that he enjoys would add to his idea of "palmares". Fans generally only know a little bit about what makes a rider great among peers to there that consideration. A TdF win would seal a phenomenal career for the fan base except the micro-weenies that analyze the quality of every race to score their heroes. The infestation of gamer analysis into such a tough, environmentally and talent-fluid sport is somewhat useless IMO. It's great if you're a gambler on NFL and other games but not real world.
 
That's not a small itinerary, though. At this age anything he wins that he enjoys would add to his idea of "palmares". Fans generally only know a little bit about what makes a rider great among peers to there that consideration. A TdF win would seal a phenomenal career for the fan base except the micro-weenies that analyze the quality of every race to score their heroes. The infestation of gamer analysis into such a tough, environmentally and talent-fluid sport is somewhat useless IMO. It's great if you're a gambler on NFL and other games but not real world.
Of course is not small itimerary but still, i wrote what he should ride and if he wins that is great if not he tried. This year he had the worst schedule possible. Like winning P-N, Basque or Dauphine would bring something to his palmares. And on top of that he was ill(P-) crashed on Basque and Dauphine. He should avoid like a plague France races till TDF, he is having always bad luck there. After Vuelta he had again terrible schedule, bad results and was clearly tired, he lost one month for nothing. Also, yes he is old but still 3rd best GT rider out there, so he can still win TdF but needs some luck. TdS is realistic goal, Fleches too and races like LBL, WC RR/TT and Lombardie, he should still be 3rd favourite.
 
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Are you implying he's the 2nd best GT rider in the world? Because I would place him 4th, or joined 3rd.

Each season somebody tends to stick out a bit more then others, and that one becomes "unbeatable". Used to be Rogla, then Jonas now Pogi, Remco was never quite there yet but the trajectory seems favourable, so maybe. Anyway, what usually happens is a superstar changes teams, for whatever reasons involved, especially when going from a super team to a lesser team at that point, and struggles. This is on what likely some expected or are now still under such influence of previous believes. That somehow Rogla degraded in terms of performance and results, compared to previous era at JV. We need to be a bit cautious about this aspect of it still it seems it luckily didn't happen. Rogla made a soft landing and won a GT in his first season riding for his new team. Jonas didn't do that, Remco didn't do that ... They both operated in know environment and presumably made some progress, Remco especially on where it comes to one day events. I am sure that Rogla and his new team will further progress in 2025 season.

Anyway, yes.
 
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Each season somebody tends to stick out a bit more then others, and that one becomes "unbeatable". Used to be Rogla, then Jonas now Pogi, Remco was never quite there yet but the trajectory seems favourable, so maybe. Anyway, what usually happens is a superstar changes teams, for whatever reasons involved, especially when going from a super team to a lesser team at that point, and struggles. This is on what likely some expected or are now still under such influence of previous believes. That somehow Rogla degraded in terms of performance and results, compared to previous era at JV. We need to be a bit cautious about this aspect of it still it seems it luckily didn't happen. Rogla made a soft landing and won a GT in his first season riding for his new team. Jonas didn't do that, Remco didn't do that ... They both operated in know environment and presumably made some progress, Remco especially on where it comes to one day events. I am sure that Rogla and his new team will further progress in 2025 season.

Anyway, yes.
So in 2022, Evenepoel was the better GT rider than Roglic because he won the Vuelta, and Roglic didn't win any GT? That's a very simplistic method to see who's the best GT rider. Would mean in 2022 Vingegaard, Hindley and Evenepoel were better GT riders than Pogacar and Roglic?
 
Anything but a win at Tour / Vuelta / Tour de Suisse does not bring any upgrade to his palmares.
I would be suprised if he does not attend those 3 races.

Fleche Wallone is a must have for a "Stomp" artist. Probably also the most realistic target in the spring. There is a good chance that Pogacar skips the race and Roglic is still the best of the rest when it comes to murito sprints.
 
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@Berniece

The whole reason i wrote a wall of text was to indicate it's not simplistic. If you do want a shorter version instead then let me just say there was a much bigger chance in Rogla finishing season 2024 without any meaningful results. As such is the nature of the transfers as seen here. Luckily it panned out and it seems both Rogla and the team are now on an upward trajectory. So fingers crossed Rogla will beat Pogi, Jonas and Remco in each race they face each other in 2025 season. That sounds much better then (too) early retirement.
 
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Rogla is not even eligible to break most of the historical records out there, related to the age. So whenever somebody starts with "due to the age ..." one has to be cautious in taking all that seriously on what follows.

P.S. Used to be BS like Rogla wheel sucks ... And that didn't age well.
I wasn't totally clear; I wasn't talking about Roglic's age but about this "age" of current cycling talent. It's not that easy to cakewalk through a GT unless prime contenders are injured like last season.
He's a racer and it'd be cool if he targets what he wants to win for the enjoyment of it. That could include anything, realistically.
 
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l0aBU4KOo0



So Rogličes first pro cycling salary was 300e and he was prepared to do it for free, he valued the given opportunity more. Red Bull helmet was an object of desire since his ski jumping days, on where Andreas Goldberger got to wear one.
First impression he can do something in pro cycling was a prologue at Giro 2016 on where the realisation hit, i can time trial.

49ff0d94417c523f5a59-primoz-roglic-giro-2016.jpeg


Tour 2020 didn't left sour taste as this was a maximum and Rogla stands behind that result. Rogla expresses gratitude towards his family for unconditional support in chasing his dreams. For young people his advice is be dedicated toward your goals, the results, if they come or not, the important thing is to be able to have fun and to smile. Not everybody needs to become a professional athlete.


My god, I remember posting on some random .be forum, saying this Roglic ITT victory was more suspicious than the Foliforov MTT victory.
 
Giro should be exciting now. Roglic against Almeida/Ayuso and probably Remco there. Of course this excitement will go off the Window if Vingegaard starts the Giro
I'm still waiting to see what Jonas can reliably accomplish. Visma's rush to the last Tour didn't help a slightly built phenom's ability to be resilient IMO. We can all hope for the recovery that is his best form going forward. The early season will be telling on that count.