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[Rechtschreibfehler]

Regardless of why Roglic crashes so unfortunately often, I think we can all agree that it's tragic that the crasehd out of 5 of his last 9 GTs.

 

[yaco]

The only rider getting abused on the topic of Primož Roglič is of course Primož Roglič.

Again and always. He's the only rider who gets singled out when there's a pile up for not miraculously leaping over the mass of bodies falling before him.

I have no idea why you are responding to my post. I support all riders, accept riders make errors and do not abuse riders or the like.

 

[CyclistAbi]

But what I am is against trying to eliminate all risks from life.

OK, but still, you do wear a helmet, when on the bike?

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

OK, but still, you do wear a helmet, when on the bike?

Yes. I am not arguing against helmets.
But there is a difference between wearing protective gear and not doing the risky thing at all, isn't there.

 

[CyclistAbi]

As for the crashing debate, guys don't fall for it, they tried with the ageism, tried hard, didn't work, it's the only thing they got. Supposedly Rogla crashing a lot. The best respond IMHO is to simply list other riders, currently injured. The fact is all riders in pro peloton crash a lot. So saying Rogla crashes a lot, well ... Go figure.

 

[AmRacer]

As for the crashing debate, guys don't fall for it, they tried with the ageism, tried hard, didn't work, it's the only thing they got. Supposedly Rogla crashing a lot. The best respond IMHO is to simply list other riders, currently injured. The fact is all riders in pro peloton crash a lot. So saying Rogla crashes a lot, well ... Go figure.

Compose a list with GC riders who DNF due to crashes the last 5 years. Then you will see.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Compose a list with GC riders who DNF due to crashes the last 5 years. Then you will see.

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Here you go and you're welcome.

 

[Rackham]

Where people are heavily invested in a rider, they will focus on any perceived weakness of the main rivals of said rider. 90% of "Roglic can't handle a bike" could be rephrased as "Roglic's latest fall is good news to me because it gives me a feeling of one-upmanship for having chosen the rider I did as my favourite."

And the same applies to "Pogacar is predictable", "Vingegaard doesn't race enough", "Evenepoel is temperamental" etc etc

All of these guys are phenomenal, and most of us would give our proverbial right arms to have the ability and courage of any one of them. (literally trading a limb would be self defeating). How dare we let partisanship blind us to that?

This is an interesting point and I believe it translates beyond simple rider fandom into the broader cycling hobby.

It means somehow, whether consciously or subconsciously, a regular cyclotouriste or hobbyist in this sport (or even amateur competitor) has something to hold over an actual multi-GT winning champion, i.e. 'better bike handling'.

It's something that people can tell themselves they're more proficient at than a pro. Aka a skill basically beyond watts that the average joe can believe he's mastered. Bike manufacturers thrive on this sort of clientele anyway. For example my local voie verte is populated by riders in full kit with expensive equipment riding max 20km/h with a serious expression on their face like they're actually riding hard or something.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Yes. I am not arguing against helmets.

OK.

But there is a difference between wearing protective gear and not doing the risky thing at all, isn't there.

More protective apparel of course will come in the future, this is unavoidable, considering on how things stand. As for doing risky things, a bit of a risk is involved even if you don't try to introduce it. If you introduce mini SB or mini PR into a GT race, then obviously the intention is to go after high risk. IMHO this is not acceptable, at least not until pro road cycling will reach much lower level of injuries, per GT.

 

[AmRacer]

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Here you go and you're welcome.

The last 5 years?

 

[CyclistAbi]

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Key takeaways, Rogla tried regardless of the situation been difficult, to say the least, stage 9 was a root cause for the issues that followed, fortunately mentally Rogla is not in a bad place, a bit of family time and then to Tignes, coach happy with additional week of rest time involved. Denk on board already in regards to the Tour.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The last 5 years?

No need to go back 5 years, that would just make the list substantially bigger. Especially if including top 10 riders in GC, considering that in stage racing a top 10 result makes you a stage racer in terms of potential and leadership opportunities.

So all in all, people coming in this thread and saying Rogla crashes a lot, doh. Who doesn't. What's next? Only Rogla ages and the rest are getting younger and younger?

Gimme a break.

 

[AmRacer]

No need to go back 5 years, that would just make the list substantially bigger. Especially if including top 10 riders in GC, considering that in stage racing a top 10 result makes you a stage racer in terms of potential and leadership opportunities.

So all in all, people coming in this thread and saying Rogla crashes a lot, doh. Who doesn't. What's next? Only Rogla ages and the rest are getting younger and younger?

Gimme a break.

You need a a few years of GC riders who DNF due to crashes if you want to talk statistics.
Yes, only Roglic getting older.

 

[Rackham]

On the bright side G Thomas was doing career best performances at the age of 37.

So Rog might still get another shot at a 2nd Giro. Certainly another GT. And before someone screams "the youngsters are taking over!", it looks like another glorious old man named Richard Carapaz could be heading towards his own 2nd Giro win, or Simon Yates could win it. So the old guys aren't quite getting forcibly retired yet.

 

[Berniece]

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Here you go and you're welcome.

That's a silly list. We need an overview of all riders that have crashed the past few years.

 

[Rackham]

I don't know about everyone else but one of the key tenets of Roglicism is to quickly move on to the next objective. Now it's the Tour. And yeah it'll be tough. But a podium is doable and maybe a stomp on Ventoux if he's got the legs.

So I don't really get the point of going over the crashes and Giro ad-infinitum. I mean as per their season goals the Giro was only supposed to offer a new route towards the Tour de France anyway. Something different.

We'll see whether he can still bear the fruits of this in July because the work he did is still there.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You need a a few years of GC riders who DNF due to crashes if you want to talk statistics.

That's a silly list. We need an overview of all riders that have crashed the past few years.

I mean guys, you are free to do it, if you believe it will prove something in regards to your claims. That somehow a list of crashes, when it comes to top ten stage racers in the last 5 years will prove that only Rogla crashes. All in all good luck with that one.

Recent history of what are considered top 6 riders in pro peloton, past couple of season, that more than does it for me. Proves that all crash and do crash often.

Yes, only Roglic getting older.

Yeah, this is what it's all about in the end, isn't it, some baseless gloating when Rogla crashes. Imagine if we would be doing it like that in other threads, to other members of the top 6.

 

[Berniece]

I mean guys, you are free to do it, if you believe it will prove something in regards to your claims. That somehow a list of crashes, when it comes to top ten stage racers in the last 5 years will prove that only Rogla crashes. All in all good luck with that one.

Majority of people feel he crashes more than others. If you want to say those people are wrong, feel free to come up with a list, or stop saying the majority is wrong.

 

[Red Rick]

It's just repeating the same lazy line of argumentation where you make the leap from "crashing above average amount of time" to "it must always be a skill issue", even in cases when it's verifiably not.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Majority of people feel he crashes more than others. If you want to say those people are wrong, feel free to come up with a list, or stop saying the majority is wrong.

Lets start with Remco then, but note that i don't want to do it and won't do it. I am not an ass, to gloat on his misfortune, especially as i am fully aware that crashes in pro road cycling are as much a systematic problem, than anything. Imagine i would constantly come to his thread and claim he crashes a lot, considering his career so far.

IMHO such gloating is rather tasteless.

 

[Berniece]

Lets start with Remco then, but note that i don't want to do it and won't do it. I am not an ass, to gloat on his misfortune, especially as i am fully aware that crashes in pro road cycling are as much a systematic problem, than anything. Imagine i would constantly come to his thread and claim he crashes a lot, considering his career so far.

IMHO such gloating is rather tasteless.

Difference is that if you would look at the Remco thread, his biggest fans (myself included) see that he isn't good enough when it comes to bike handling and want him to improve on it.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Difference is that if you would look at the Remco thread, his biggest fans (myself included) see that he isn't good enough when it comes to bike handling and want him to improve on it.

I mean, nobody is and i provided the list proving it. There are no riders in pro peloton, considered top and that don't crash often.

 

[CyclistAbi]

May i propose that ageism and excessive gloating over crashes to become bannable offences.

 

[AmRacer]

I mean guys, you are free to do it, if you believe it will prove something in regards to your claims. That somehow a list of crashes, when it comes to top ten stage racers in the last 5 years will prove that only Rogla crashes. All in all good luck with that one.

Recent history of what are considered top 6 riders in pro peloton, past couple of season, that more than does it for me. Proves that all crash and do crash often.



Yeah, this is what it's all about in the end, isn't it, some baseless gloating when Rogla crashes. Imagine if we would be doing it like that in other threads, to other members of the top 6.

It was you who brought up the topic.

 

[AmRacer]

May i propose that ageism and excessive gloating over crashes to become bannable offences.

Ban crashes