Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Rackham]

About as average as you could expect. Could have been worse, but it looks to me like the Redbull TT setup is really good this year, so I'm not about to call it better than expected.

It's Vingo's return to 2022 Dauphiné ITT form that looks odd here.

And Lipo's time was good relatively speaking as well.

 

[Divergence]

I think it was about as good as expected from Rogla today. 1:20 time loss to Remco is not a disaster.

 

[red_flanders]

I think it was about as good as expected from Rogla today. 1:20 time loss to Remco is not a disaster.

TT's are too short for anything to be a disaster these days, they just don't matter as much as they used to.

But that's not good.

 

[Divergence]

TT's are too short for anything to be a disaster these days, they just don't matter as much as they used to.

But that's not good.

It is not good, but he is not on form. Therefore, it is acceptable. If you are looking for disasters look at Mas's result.
There is also a little hope after this performance that he may be on the up and up and we might see him ride Weill in the mountains.

 

[Red Rick]

Alicante was like 1.5s/min and that wasn't a good TT. This is 2.2s/min.

 

[red_flanders]

It is not good, but he is not on form. Therefore, it is acceptable. If you are looking for disasters look at Mas's result.
There is also a little hope after this performance that he may be on the up and up and we might see him ride Weill in the mountains.

I think you're right about the mountains. Look forward to him coming into some form. Would be nice to see him get a stage.

 

[Rackham]

Alicante was like 1.5s/min and that wasn't a good TT. This is 2.2s/min.

There was that insane opening ITT in the 2023 Giro of course in which Evenepoel put over 40 seconds into Rog over 20km.

Seems similar.

 

[Luthor]

Still better than Vingegaard eh.

I said Almeida was a decent barometer on this course and Rog was 5 seconds behind. It could have been better but it could have been a lot worse.

I'd call it a diesel Rog performance with as always a much better second half.

With Vingo in a bad position, Almeida has to pull less for Pog. We all know Rog can do better than this.
Almost 2 minutes to Remco. Peak Rog could recover that but not in this form.

 

[benzwire]

Honestly, I expected a worse performance. I think if he’s chill and stays safe, playing the long game in this Tour will pay off. Top 5 is not out of the question. I’m hoping luck shines on him this year and he gets a stage win and a podium.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

After today it's clear that Primoz is missing his good form here. I already had some concerns regarding his post-Giro state (crashes, antibiotics) and IMO it strongly affects his level here. Maybe he will get better in the mountains, there's no easy start against superb competition in this Tour, but a podium spot will be very hard to get.

 

[Red Rick]

After today it's clear that Primoz is missing his good form here. I already had some concerns regarding his post-Giro state (crashes, antibiotics) and IMO it strongly affects his level here. Maybe he will get better in the mountains, there's no easy start against superb competition in this Tour, but a podium spot will be very hard to get.

Feels impossible tbh. Not because I don't believe he's the 3rd best climber int he world his day, but I doubt he gets to that level by the Pyrenees and I doubt he gets to the Pyrenees without bleeding more time.

 

[Oldman]

I think it was about as good as expected from Rogla today. 1:20 time loss to Remco is not a disaster.

It may not be in the GC context but he and Lipowitz have spent alot of energy responding to JV's tactics on the first 4 days. The upside is Visma saw the results of that plan today and will knock it off a bit to make UAE begin to work. We have 5 more stages to the rest day and all of those races will prompt aggression by everyone.
This isn't without more gap control but JV has to manage UAE more than Bora does.

 

[Rackham]

Feels impossible tbh. Not because I don't believe he's the 3rd best climber int he world his day, but I doubt he gets to that level by the Pyrenees and I doubt he gets to the Pyrenees without bleeding more time.

I mean.. we have such a huge supply of copium to burn through before we reach the white flag waving moment. So why not relax and enjoy the ride for as long as we can? He turned the Vuelta 2022 around form wise and the route there didn't have potential that this TdF does in week 3.

 

[Red Rick]

I mean.. we have such a huge supply of copium to burn through before we reach the white flag waving moment. So why not relax and enjoy the ride for as long as we can? He turned the Vuelta 2022 around form wise and the route there didn't have potential that this TdF does in week 3.

He wasn't this *** coming into that Vuelta and he's up against better opposition now.

But whatever, thanks Lucas Hamilton I guess.

 

[Rackham]

He wasn't this *** coming into that Vuelta and he's up against better opposition now.

But whatever, thanks Lucas Hamilton I guess.

Actually I'm pretty sure he was worse in that Vuelta in the mountains at the end of week 1. Definitely up there with the worst Rog we've seen in a GT. Didn't Evenepoel put minutes into him on the climbs?

I guess the copium here is if his prep was bad back then and managed to somehow get better, there could be potential here as well.

 

[Miha81]

I just want to see him in one piece in Paris. If he manages to grab a stage in meantime it would be a success. He clearly is not even close to his best.

 

[Red Rick]

Actually I'm pretty sure he was worse in that Vuelta in the mountains at the end of week 1. Definitely up there with the worst Rog we've seen in a GT. Didn't Evenepoel put minutes into him on the climbs?

I guess the copium here is if his prep was bad back then and managed to somehow get better, there could be potential here as well.

Once. And even that was like 5th on the day.

I'm not hopeful. I don't think the foundation is there to get better quickly.

 

[fenns]

he's just warming up - waiting to storm the Pyrenees like a mountain goat

 

[Cycling111]

The Giro time trial was better, he was close to beating Tarling who would´ve finished third today. And afterward, he didn't seem to be at his best.

I was sure Roglic would have a good time trial, but in the mountains, I still have doubts.

If I had to choose, I'd rather see Roglic on the podium than Remco, Almeida, or Jorgenson. But realistically, I still see it as very difficult in the mountains.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He did the Giro, at least 15/16 stages with crashes, rain, of course he will not be in peak shape in the Tour. Pogacar is an outlier.

 

[Red Rick]

He did the Giro, at least 15/16 stages with crashes, rain, of course he will not be in peak shape in the Tour. Pogacar is an outlier.

Big difference between getting out of a Giro with sickness and injury rather than without a scratch on you having spent less than an hour over threshold.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Big difference between getting out of a Giro with sickness and injury rather than without a scratch on you having spent less than an hour over threshold.

He did more stages and he only "spent less than an hour over threshold" because he is so much better. Roglic isn't. For that reason, of course he will not be in top shape (like I said, he won't be in the top5).

 

[Red Rick]

He did more stages and he only "spent less than an hour over threshold" because he is so much better. Roglic isn't. For that reason, of course he will not be in top shape (like I said, he won't be in the top5).

Yates was talking how he easily he recovered physically and how mentally recovering was much harder.

The problem isn't Giro fatigue, it's illness and injury. Rog made a post like 2 weeks before the TdF started how he was finally off antibiotics.

 

[geisterhome]

He doesnt care abt results anymore, idk what the discussion is abt here. This tour is all abt getting to Paris, if it's in 3rd or 130th place is totally irrelevant at this stage. And I think Bora will try everything to protect him to achieve that goal

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yates was talking how he easily he recovered physically and how mentally recovering was much harder.

The problem isn't Giro fatigue, it's illness and injury. Rog made a post like 2 weeks before the TdF started how he was finally off antibiotics.

I'm not saying you are not right, I'm just saying he wouldn't be in top shape (able to top3) even of everything went perfectly in the Giro.