Brilliant tactics from Bora today. They did everything right, but Onley is very strong and he managed to strike back. They just haven't got the legs and i think Lipowitz cooked himself quite a lot with an attack on the Loze.
Nevertheless Bora should try the same strategy again tomorrow, but this time Lipo wheelsucking Onley with Primoz attack on Pre.
Nevertheless Bora should try the same strategy again tomorrow, but this time Lipo wheelsucking Onley with Primoz attack on Pre.
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Brilliant tactics? Maybe for Roglic.
But to be honest. They just should have ridden in the peleton and defend the third place.
After Lipowitz dropped on madeline they should have told lipowitz to fall back in the big group with only.
It was clear that if he bridged to the pogacargroup, roglic would not pull for lipowitz to stay away from the group with only.
And at the end roglic should have pulled for lipowitz. If he had the legs to stay with the best, ok. But it was clear very early that he doesnt have the legs.
But to be honest. They just should have ridden in the peleton and defend the third place.
After Lipowitz dropped on madeline they should have told lipowitz to fall back in the big group with only.
It was clear that if he bridged to the pogacargroup, roglic would not pull for lipowitz to stay away from the group with only.
And at the end roglic should have pulled for lipowitz. If he had the legs to stay with the best, ok. But it was clear very early that he doesnt have the legs.
I hope that roglic makes it to Paris. The stat that he has not made it to Paris during last 5 years makes me understand how he has ridden this tour. Especially if remco is coming to his team to take over ... Laugh... Gc ... Duties... I'm cheering for lipo to throw kink in all remco plans. Remco is not gc material if there are real gc riders present in a race that has mountains and competitors that haven't crashed out.
Bora try to put Roglic into 4th overall GC and be a team with two riders in the top 5 GC.
Lipowitz is strong enough to defend himself alone.
You can also call today's tactic a some kind of insurance policy in case Lipowitz blows himself in the last two mountain stages.
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Hopefully tomorrow legs will allow for another epic ride, today unfortunately in terms of results it didn't pan out, the rest was good. Main problem today IMHO was Jonas and Visma didn't have a plan, on what to do after attacking on Col de la Madeleine and bridging. Hopefully tomorrow a stronger break to form, Rogla in it and not to have such issues, Lipo hopefully to not struggle holding Onley wheel.
Onley's team want that podium spot and will do the work according to them. That allows Lipo to sit on them and let Primoz freelance up the road, particularly if they don't chase right away. The Col d' Pre is steep enough to do that followed by a climb Primoz should love: Cormet d'Roselend. At worst a recovered Lipowitz should be able to finish off other contenders up La Plagne if he deserves his podium spot. Optionally, if there's no response he and Primoz may trade that 3rd step if he doesn't quite have it and Picnic decides to have a casual lunch hoping Primoz cracks. If there isn't some meaningful separation before La Plagne due to Visma and UAE it'll be a much more brutal finish than today for the pretenders, IMO. Whover survives will be 3rd.
Well now IMO tomorrow will have some serious fireworks with the Col d Saisse eliminated because of a bovine viral outbreak.
Absolutely tragedy for the farmers and their beloved cows and one of the most enjoyable elements in the grassy Alpine area is free ranging cattle eating flowers. Cheese from them is spectacular.
A shortened version will definitely force the aggression on several fronts.
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Assuming Vingegaard tries again, I think it's likely enough Roglic and Lipowitz both drop Onley on Col du Pré so we'll see from there. Not sure if you drag Pogacar and Vingegaard in their staring contest from that moment, but whatever.
I think Rog will get babysitting duties today so Lip can have his white jersey and 3rd. If not, he'll probably loose both.
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Whatever happens I hope it's controversial. They raced like they were rage-baiting the internet yesterday. Keep up the good work.
i guess anything better than 3rd has not been realistic for RB since the Pyrenees. Probably has never been tbh.
Any other team would probably have done everything to secure podium yesterday. Totally weird what RB was doing. Latest on the top of Madelaine Roglic should have dropped back.
Then they got lucky that Lipowitz came back in the valley. There Roglic should have paced into Loze to keep Onley away.
Any other team would probably have done everything to secure podium yesterday. Totally weird what RB was doing. Latest on the top of Madelaine Roglic should have dropped back.
Then they got lucky that Lipowitz came back in the valley. There Roglic should have paced into Loze to keep Onley away.
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Rog is allowed to stage hunt. The fact O'Connor of all people won Loze yesterday shows there was an opening there for a win.
So Roglič should to everything to help Lipowitz get 3rd while destroy his own options? Not going to happen, specially when Lipowitz had all posibilites to do it on his own but didn't.
Lipowitz is good enough to defend himself against Onley. He has to stay on his wheels all the time, and he should be 3rd. Roglic, in the meantime, can stage hunt.
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Lipo is losing his third place because Roglic isn't working for him. However, I'm also the opinion Roglic is a multiple GT champion, he should not work for a rider with zero GT pedigree (until now).
Rogla said yesterday, after the stage, on whatever happens today it mostly comes done to if the legs are there or not. As for Lipo vs Onley, IMHO Lipo is stronger.
Nah, Lipo is loosing third place, because he has not racing IQ and thinks his priority is to beat Roglič, not Onley.
All he has to do, really all he has to do is follow Onley. He'll get his white jersey and 3rd or 4th place in TdF. In the mean time Rog can do whatever he wants, he earned that. He can't do much anyway.
Lipo did not need Rog to not lose his GC place to Onley. He just needed to ride a bit more smart. At the end of the day Lipo tried for the stage win a possibly to move above Vingo and he failed.
The only scenario where Rog should work for Lipo is if all three are in the same group and ~4km to the top of the last climb Lipo gets dropped by Onley. In that case there is not enough time for Rog to make up the difference to Onley and it makes sense to try and help Lipo not lose more than 20s to Onley.
However, chaining Rog to helping Lipo throughout the whole stage is nonsense. Rog has been working and training with the burden of being the leader for 1.5 years now at RBH and there is no way he should relinquish his chances to help some Lipo.
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My best guess is simply he didn't have a great negotiation position because Bora had to buy him out of his contract big time.
In hindsight, I actually think the issue was more that he wanted to race the Tour in 2023, and wasn't allowed to, rather than what happened at the Vuelta.
And I think he realized he wasn't even gonna get real co leadership at the Tour either. He was gonna get relegated to the 2023 Adam Yates role despite how good he was and he didn't want that.
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