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He looked very happy and relaxed in Ljubljana. I guess he put some demons behind with that Giro win in the 20th stage.
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Wouldn’t it be better write something like “When misfortune struck here and everything seemed lost, he kept calm and finished the job”.
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Actually it's kind of a word play in Slovenian. It means "here he came unchained" and it's not just "here his chain fell down".
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Thank you. It did at first seem quite unfitting.
Indeed it's a rather (re)fitting as when you say "snel se je z verige" or "snel se je s ketne" in Slovenian. You tend to emphasis on how somebody went beyond himself, beyond the usual restraints, and achieved something greater that one could imagine.
If Netflix ever makes a series about it it can title it Giro d'Italia: Unchained.
I miss Primož too, competing at the Tour. But it was the right call. Belgians would complain on why doesn't he work for van Aert more and Danes on why doesn't he work for Vingegaard more, France on why couldn't he pull for Laporte ... Reasonable questions but c'mon. At some point you have to draw the line.
This year i noticed media and riders are playing a lot of mental games. Likely Rogla would be at the front lines again to deal with that. Some are even accusing him of letting JV down. Such people have a rather short memory and should watch TDF 2022 again. Not the Netflix thingy.
So JV can tackle Pogi without Rogla this year and lets see how it goes. It's rather fitting in the end. Considering everything involved and the history. When Rogla undertakes Tour again he will go there as a leader with dedicated team support. It's only fitting.
Meanwhile Rogla is preparing for Vuelta. Some beautiful training rides in Logar Valley:
And some good Netflix shows should get us there.
To Vuelta, Tour and beyond. Looking forward to that. For some more of the Rogla unchained edition.
If Netflix ever makes a series about it it can title it Giro d'Italia: Unchained.
I miss Primož too, competing at the Tour. But it was the right call. Belgians would complain on why doesn't he work for van Aert more and Danes on why doesn't he work for Vingegaard more, France on why couldn't he pull for Laporte ... Reasonable questions but c'mon. At some point you have to draw the line.
This year i noticed media and riders are playing a lot of mental games. Likely Rogla would be at the front lines again to deal with that. Some are even accusing him of letting JV down. Such people have a rather short memory and should watch TDF 2022 again. Not the Netflix thingy.
So JV can tackle Pogi without Rogla this year and lets see how it goes. It's rather fitting in the end. Considering everything involved and the history. When Rogla undertakes Tour again he will go there as a leader with dedicated team support. It's only fitting.
Meanwhile Rogla is preparing for Vuelta. Some beautiful training rides in Logar Valley:
And some good Netflix shows should get us there.
To Vuelta, Tour and beyond. Looking forward to that. For some more of the Rogla unchained edition.
If this keeps up, he's going to have to transfer to go to the Tour as leader. Ineos makes a lot of sense for him, as much as I prefer him on Jumbo and with Kuss. I don't see how Vingegaard won't keep targeting the Tour year after year, and it's hard to imagine Roglic beating him while on his team. Beating him from another team is still unlikely, but the best path IMO. He will need to try long range attacks, attacks on descents, bonus sprints, etc. all of which will be difficult to justify while on the same team as Vingegaard.
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I agree.
I want a TdF 2024 with top form Evenepoel, Vingegaard, Pogačar & Roglič. All on different teams.
It's the only way a rider who is 'unfancied' on paper versus Vinge can exploit situations, i.e. because Jumbo have eyes for Vingegaard only & they're not going to do anything to upset the applecart they've built for the Tour. So the more threats Jumbo face, the harder it'll be to control everything.
I know some people say Rogla would be better off racing the Tour at Jumbo as a second leader of sorts but I don't see how that works, especially now when Vingegaard has become the big favorite & Jumbo no longer need two pronged attacks to win GC.
If Jonas wins or not at Tour 2023. Leadership for the future Tour editions will in both situations be challenging at JV. But lets not forget this is Roglič. We'll figure something out. For now Vuelta it is. A GT double is just as sweet. Lets try to make it happen. And after to worry about such sweet things as winning the Tour.
As it was Roglič who ended Ineos winning streak. Maybe there is something there. To do. We'll see.
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Looks to me ike winning the Tour de France aint happening.
Yeah 2019-2021 was his big window, and it didn’t work out. It’s still possible but highly unlikely.
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Whenever at the Tour go for overall. Otherwise do Giro-Vuelta double. If achieved it's just as prestigious as a Tour win.
Vingegaard rode the final 3 k of the climb today more than a minute faster than Roglic and Pogacar did in 2020. That's immense. So Pogi was actually not that bad, but Vingegaard is on a whole different level. How is Roglic going to beat that? If Jumbo and Vingegaard don't chase him, that's how. And that will only happen if he's on the same team.
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You never know. Cycling is a very unpredictable sport where a lot of things can happen. Look at Evans. He had 2 great chances to win in 2007 and 2008. He finished second both times. Then in 2009 he was really bad, in 2010 he crashed out, there were the supposedly unbeatable aliens Contador and Schleck who were to rule the Tour for years to come...so people wrote him off completely. But then 2011 happened. And he won. While Schleck and Contador never won the Tour (again).
So yes. The odds are not in his favour, but as long as he appears at the start with good preparation and doesn't hit a haybale, Colbrelli or Fred Wright... there is always a chance.
JV doesn't need Roglič any more to try to win TdF. They have their mutant now. And he destroys the other mutant any time. Roglič is still good for two other 3 week GC races, because mutant can't win all three of them.
Let's face it. As it stands now 3 week GC race is Vinge way above Pogačar who is above Roglič who is above everybody else.
Maybe Remco can shake things up one day.
Let's face it. As it stands now 3 week GC race is Vinge way above Pogačar who is above Roglič who is above everybody else.
Maybe Remco can shake things up one day.
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Win 3 Giros and 5 Vueltas, I don't care. Just keep the hunger to win big races alive and be yourself...
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Pogačar just won his national ITT going over a minute faster than he did in 2020 as well (same parcours). Numbers like this don't tell the full story, as much as people enjoying gawking over them. Rog also did 'career best' numbers on Lo Port in Catalunya but I won't extrapolate that into broader conclusions regarding his chances elsewhere, i.e. each race is different, even when it's raced on the same roads.
It's about the motivation, I reckon. Aka what pushes a rider to get out of bed & train like a madman for his objectives. I question whether sending Rog to the Giro & Vuelta until the end of time is something he'd even want to do. I'm also convinced of two things, i.e. A/Roglič wants to win the Tour (he said as much after the Giro) & B/He believes he can win the Tour.
I just don't think you, I or anyone (least of all Jumbo themselves) can arbitrarily tell Primož Roglič he's never going to race the TdF as a protected rider with a view to winning GC.
IMO he deserves a shot at it in 2024. And I'd like to see Jumbo respect that, i.e. not by undermining Vingegaard's position as leader (that ship has sailed) but potentially by an amicable separation. Otherwise you'll be right & they'll send him to the Giro & Vuelta again, again & again until he's Valverde's age.
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