Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[CyclistAbi]

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Family.

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Work.

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Blood, sweat, and tears.

 

[Rackham]

Almost time:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1695443735750812049

View: https://twitter.com/JumboVismaRoad/status/1695443735750812049

 

[Netserk]

Any pools on the course?

 

[acm]

Any pools on the course?

Rain.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

So Roglic already sacrificing for Vingegaard, huh?

 

[acm]

So Roglic already sacrificing for Vingegaard, huh?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[RedheadDane]

So Roglic already sacrificing for Vingegaard, huh?

My thoughts exactly.

Would have been a bit weird to have one of the co-captains drop out of contention on stage 1. If the opposite had happened, and Roglic had punctured, then Vingegaard would have waited for him, as it should be.

 

[Netserk]

So Roglic already sacrificing for Vingegaard, huh?

The greater disadvantage for him is that he likely won't be in red before Tourmalet. And as long as he doesn't lead the race, Vingegaard is free to attack.

 

[Eeslliw]

So Roglic already sacrificing for Vingegaard, huh?

That is how it works with two leaders and a TTT. You can't drop half of the team to help one captain in the back and the rest to continue. They would both (today Roglic and Jonas) lose more time with approach like that.

Overall it's better for the race and Jumbo will have to rider more agressive as they would have planned. Good for neutral fans.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

That is how it works with two leaders and a TTT. You can't drop half of the team to help one captain in the back and the rest to continue. They would both (today Roglic and Jonas) lose more time with approach like that.

Overall it's better for the race and Jumbo will have to rider more agressive as they would have planned. Good for neutral fans.

There aren’t any neutral fans on the Roglic thread. They’re all on the Remco thread.

 

[Carols]

Of course he did the right thing and had he been the one with the flat they would have waited. Still hurts though and diminishes his chances

 

[Tim Cahill]

It's lucky Vingegaard's spare bike was on the #1 optimal position on the car's roof, otherwise they would've lost more time.

 

[Rackham]

At least Vingegaard jumped straight onto his own spare this time instead of stealing his teammates' bikes.

 

[noob]

Nobody will look happy in this setting, a boring interview with journalists.

But because Roglic never says anything interesting, his fans will look for signs everywhere about how he's really feeling. I think we just have to accept that Roglic rarely shows that, if ever.

I agree with Rogla being an absolute master at masking his feelings overall.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So first mystery resolved. JV will wait for Jonas. Would they do the same for Rogla today on stage 1? I guess we might find that out during the race. At the Tour they did not wait for Rogla.

It's nice and all but having two leaders and waiting for each. That accumulates to race lost. I don't feel they can afford much more of this.

Anyway. Rather big gap in between the favorites on stage 1. Rogla being at disadvantage. Still long way to go and hopefully tomorrow Rogla to stretch his legs a bit. It will likely take a couple of stages to mitigate today's time lost.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Luckily it's already stage 2 and 3 that should tell if Rogla has or doesn't have a support team at this GT. To adapt to given circumstances ASAP.

 

[theyoungest]

So first mystery resolved. JV will wait for Jonas. Would they do the same for Rogla today on stage 1? I guess we might find that out during the race. At the Tour they did not wait for Rogla.

It's nice and all but having two leaders and waiting for each. That accumulates to race lost. I don't feel they can afford much more of this.

Anyway. Rather big gap in between the favorites on stage 1. Rogla being at disadvantage. Still long way to go and hopefully tomorrow Rogla to stretch his legs a bit. It will likely take a couple of stages to mitigate today's time lost.

They would have waited a darn long time... but I guess you mean last year, on the cobbles stage. When actually he did have teammates in support, Benoot and Laporte if I'm not mistaken. Not too shabby, I reckon.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@theyoungest

They just passed him and after acted they didn't see him.

Anyway. Better strategy today would be to continue riding with five strongest cyclists and send back two remaining one. Rogla would stay higher in GC and Jonas would lost a couple seconds more. Tactically Jonas would still be in the same position he is now.

 

[acm]

They would have waited a darn long time... but I guess you mean last year, on the cobbles stage. When actually he did have teammates in support, Benoot and Laporte if I'm not mistaken. Not too shabby, I reckon.

If they waited for 10 or 15s when he was chasing alone, he would have the whole team. Not just Kruijswijk and Benoot.

 

[Extinction]

@theyoungest

They just passed him and after acted they didn't see him.

Anyway. Better strategy today would be to continue riding with five strongest cyclists and send back two remaining one. Rogla would stay higher in GC and Jonas would lost a couple seconds more. Tactically Jonas would still be in the same position he is now.

No, Jonas would be 30 plus secs down on Roglic. You don't do that to the Tour champ you have brought to the Vuelta, because you reckon he will make the difference on the Tourmalet and Angrilu. It's as simple as that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

No, Jonas would be 30 plus secs down on Roglic. You don't do that to the Tour champ you have brought to the Vuelta, because you reckon he will make the difference on the Tourmalet and Angrilu. It's as simple as that.

I see. You don't do that to your Tour champ. You rather do it to both. Your Giro and your Tour champs. And when you have them both 30s down. Now you can hope both can make a difference at some climb. As otherwise one wouldn't have to and that would not make much sense.

Got it.

P.S. In all seriousness what in my opinion happened is nobody was really prepared for such outcome and hence the judgement and the outcome was rather poor. In similar situation i doubt they will do it again.

 

[Extinction]

I see. You don't do that to your Tour champ. You rather do it to both. Your Giro and your Tour champs. And when you have them both 30s down. Now you can hope both can make a difference at some climb. As otherwise one wouldn't have to and that would not make much sense.

Got it.

P.S. In all seriousness what in my opinion happened is nobody was really prepared for such outcome and hence the judgement and the outcome was rather poor. In similar situation i doubt they will do it again.

Exactly (to the bolded), in a TTT you simply wait for your leader/s. Now we can debate whether or not it was a good idea for Jumbo-Visma to bring two leaders (and I have mentioned elsewhere that historically it almost never ends well), not the right TTT protocal. At any rate, the TTT won't decide this Vuelta, but the mountains.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Extinction

Opposing views are good. It got me thinking to track another aspect of this race. That is on how far will JV go with this. That is to rather lose time with both instead of sacrificing one. Was this it or is there more to come. We'll see.

 

[Extinction]

@Extinction

Opposing views are good. It got me thinking to track another aspect of this race. That is on how far will JV go with this. That is to rather lose time with both instead of sacrificing one. Was this it or is there more to come. We'll see.

I think, in all honestly, JV did the right thing in a (opening) TTT. You protect your leader/s and that's it. It would have been different had the TTT taken place later into the Vuelta, with possible gaps already separating the two, at which point you make a strategic choice if one has a problem, but not at the beginning of the race. You don't put one at a disadvantage because of a mechanical issue. It's not how a leader is protected, as would have been the case had Roglic had the problem. Imagine the disharmony in the team had they not waited for Vingegaard. Jumbo chose to bring two leaders and thus had to deal with that circumstance in this opening TTT. They took the risk, but made the right decision in my book.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Yeah. Maybe they will at least get the fair play award. Jokes aside. With dedicated team support Rogla likely wouldn't have lost time today. In regards to the fair play. We'll see if the team will bail Rogla out in times of needs. This GT in the end is a sort of experiment anyway. The outcome likely determining the shape and the future of this team.