Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[QueenStagiaire]

He's Italy or Germany, basically, i.e. if I'm using that same 1970 analogy.

Roglič racing his Roglič clone will be the race of the century: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy_v_West_Germany_(1970_FIFA_World_Cup)

 

[Gratemans]

Arguments over style when it comes to Rogla winning stuff is like people arguing about how Real Madrid wins the Champions League final. It doesn't matter because they just win. Rog also... wins. Aka 83 career wins & he's obviously not done yet. This Dauphiné is shaping up to being one of his more dominant one week race GC victories as well.

What's not to like? Obviously people who don't like him have salty tears but that's normal in pro sports. There's always fans... the neutrals... & then there's the antis. I mean if the only thing people have against Rog is "he's not as good as Pogačar" or "he's not as exciting as Pogačar", then f*ck it, everyone else in the sport should just retire immediately.

Who is as good as Pog? Vingegaard in the Tour? Maybe Mathieu van der Poel in a couple of monuments or the Worlds depending on the route profile? It's not exactly a valid comparison. Pog is like peak Brazil circa 1970 World Cup. Meanwhile I'll compare Rog to a national football which goes as second favorite (or third, depending on the injury situation of the current champs).

He's Italy or Germany, basically, i.e. if I'm using that same 1970 analogy.

Exactly. Sports, and especially cycling, is about more than style. It's also about the stories. I like Roglic's story. His bad luck, and the serene way he always seems to deal with it.
And he just rides to his abilities. Clinging on and sprinting to the finish is just the way he optimally performs. Yes, it's less spectacular than the way Pog rides, but people act like it's a choice. It's not. It's the way to he's built that just makes it the clear strategy for him to follow.
As it was with Valverde.
I never understood the haters. Well, I did understand them but I just disagree. Those different styles is exactly what makes cycling exciting.

 

[Rackham]

Roglič racing his Roglič clone will be the race of the century: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy_v_West_Germany_(1970_FIFA_World_Cup)

In terms of resilience Rogla is the Franz Beckenbauer of pro cycling (he played the 1970 world cup semi with a broken collarbone):

 

[Blanco]

Congrats but can't cheer for him when he rides like a mountain sprinter. A pity because he is so likeable off the bike.

Fine, then don't. nobody's asking...

 

[velaso montador]

I dont get the animosity. This is exactly what i hoped for Roglic before the dauphine?

Hes in great condition and shape heading to the tour where he even still have plenty of time to gain even better, exactly what one could hope for?

Theres times to be sad and complain this is for me a time to be happy and full of spirit. With a tiny bit of luck he can win it all cheers everyone its weekend too, have a good one

 

[QueenStagiaire]

In terms of resilience Rogla is the Franz Beckenbauer of pro cycling (he played the 1970 world cup semi with a broken collarbone):

ACKCHUALLLYYYY he played with a broken AC joint, but we‘re getting off-topic. I must say though, like Beckenbauer, Roglič is one of the greatest defensive competitors around.

 

[Oldermanish]

Who are we?

You do have to wonder when references are made in the Royal Plural....Are you not entertained!!!!

 

[Oldermanish]

I'm impressed that Roglic has ridden a disciplined training race and still contesting these last stage seriously. It would be different without Vlasov and Co. assisting but that's the point: find out what the team dynamic can be to win a Tour.
And then we have Mateo, looking better each day. JV obviously taking Kuss along slowly and probably trying to patch together some other players.
Remco looked today like he should in his progression. The fact that Landa wasn't dispatched back pretty much confirms that he is still in recovery/training mode and on schedule. Good Tour ahead for him, hopefully.

Still one more to go. Sorry Soler: race directors thrive on knowing the exact time to screw with an opponents grasp for glory. You tried and Pogacar will enjoy your company, soon.

 

[Netserk]

Exactly. Sports, and especially cycling, is about more than style. It's also about the stories. I like Roglic's story. His bad luck, and the serene way he always seems to deal with it.
And he just rides to his abilities. Clinging on and sprinting to the finish is just the way he optimally performs. Yes, it's less spectacular than the way Pog rides, but people act like it's a choice. It's not. It's the way to he's built that just makes it the clear strategy for him to follow.
As it was with Valverde.
I never understood the haters. Well, I did understand them but I just disagree. Those different styles is exactly what makes cycling exciting.

I hated Valverde for his attitude, and I don't find it comparable to that of Rogla. He insisted that he wanted to win the Vuelta last year, and while Vingegaard was hesitant, Roglič put his foot down and went full gas on Angliru.

He was fully determined and had his eyes on the top step. Compare that to the 2015 Tour.

 

[Nick2413]

The way he handles adversity and crashes comes across as really gritty and blue collar, which makes his riding style work for his popularity when it wouldn’t work for others. It’s like Rocky hanging on by a thread but just barely landing that final punch.

 

[acm]

Oh we are being spoiled these days! Well done Rogla

 

[CyclistAbi]

If this is boredom i like to be bored. Congrats Rogla and thanks for boring me like that, as far as i am concerned keep them coming!

Beautiful team work and again something extra from Rogla today on stage 7.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Who is as good as Pog? Vingegaard in the Tour?

Roglič.

 

[tobydawq]

I hated Valverde for his attitude, and I don't find it comparable to that of Rogla. He insisted that he wanted to win the Vuelta last year, and while Vingegaard was hesitant, Roglič put his foot down and went full gas on Angliru.

He was fully determined and had his eyes on the top step. Compare that to the 2015 Tour.

Valverde was 5 minutes down in the 2015 Tour, he had no chance of winning it, and he even did place some first mountain attacks which of course were not allowed to get away. He did that a lot of times in fact, but people have just decided that never happened because he had his reputation that you helped push.

Look, please don't twist reality so much. You like Roglic, which is fine, and I do too, but it's ridiculous to criticise Pogacar for winning a sprint on one stage and then using that as a proof that he rides just as defensively as Roglic when it's mind-numbingly obvious that there is absolutely no truth to that generally.

For someone who is always demanding logical posts from others, this should be far beneath you if you don't want to lose all credibility.

 

[Netserk]

Valverde was 5 minutes down in the 2015 Tour, he had no chance of winning it, and he even did place some first mountain attacks which of course were not allowed to get away. He did that a lot of times in fact, but people have just decided that never happened because he had his reputation that you helped push.

Look, please don't twist reality so much. You like Roglic, which is fine, and I do too, but it's ridiculous to criticise Pogacar for winning a sprint on one stage and then using that as a proof that he rides just as defensively as Roglic when it's mind-numbingly obvious that there is absolutely no truth to that generally.

For someone who is always demanding logical posts from others, this should be far beneath you if you don't want to lose all credibility.

Iirc, I haven't criticised Pogi for winning that sprint. I also haven't claimed that he rides as defensively as Rogla.

 

[tobydawq]

Iirc, I haven't criticised Pogi for winning that sprint. I also haven't claimed that he rides as defensively as Rogla.

Then why on Earth were you bringing it up?

 

[Valv.Piti]

The irony is pretty thick when it comes to Red Rick and Netserk's dislike (almost hatred) towards Valverde, while Roglic at best gets critisized for racing a bit too passively in 2020 TdF

 

[Netserk]

Then why on Earth were you bringing it up?

Because I used it to ask Peyroteo94 if he had the same reaction when Pogi rode as a mountain sprinter.

Congrats but can't cheer for him when he rides like a mountain sprinter. A pity because he is so likeable off the bike.

 

[tobydawq]

The irony is pretty thick when it comes to Red Rick and Netserk's dislike (almost hatred) towards Valverde, while Roglic at best gets critisized for racing a bit too passively in 2020 TdF

Yeah, it would be much more palatable if they just said they disliked Valverde for whatever random reasons people dislike riders. It must have been particularly difficult at Lombardia last year to not see how Roglic was responsible for the group 2 dynamics behind Pogacar, just like they always said Valverde was.

 

[Netserk]

The irony is pretty thick when it comes to Red Rick and Netserk's dislike (almost hatred) towards Valverde, while Roglic at best gets critisized for racing a bit too passively in 2020 TdF

Rogla doesn't have the pathetic attitude of Valverde.

 

[Netserk]

Yeah, it would be much more palatable if they just said they disliked Valverde for whatever random reasons people dislike riders. It must have been particularly difficult at Lombardia last year to not see how Roglic was responsible for the group 2 dynamics behind Pogacar, just like they always said Valverde was.

From back then:

It hurts badly to watch this.

As much as I don't cheer for Pogi, everyone in the chase group deserves to lose.

He was arguably the second strongest on Ganda, but it's hard to tell precisely. He rode like an idiot.

He did as well as in Tre Valli, his last sub-200 km race.

 

[tobydawq]

From back then:

Alright, fair enough, but then why did you just lecture me on how Roglic always rides to win 20 minutes ago?

 

[Netserk]

Alright, fair enough, but then why did you just lecture me on how Roglic always rides to win 20 minutes ago?

You can check what I wrote:

When does Rogla ride for 3rd in GC?

 

[Netserk]

This reminds me of when you thought it was hypocritical of me to cherish Nibali's 2018 Lombardia.

It's only inconsistent because you chose to interpret it as that.

A palmares is the collection of victories during your career. Racing is about winning, and the only results that has weight -- as results -- are wins.

What was great about Nibali's ride in Lombardia was not that he got 2nd, it was the manner in which he rode. His ride that day tells a story about what kind of a rider he is, the result in itself didn't.

 

[tobydawq]

This reminds me of when you thought it was hypocritical of me to cherish Nibali's 2018 Lombardia.

Yeah, what a hero. It's almost as if he knew he didn't have a sprint and thus had to get away, unless Valverde who could comfortably lean on his sprint in such a situation.