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[Rackham]

It looks like the European champion jersey.

 

[Sciatic]

Lovely!

 

[PolkaDot1]

I would dearly love to see Pellizzari in the Giro team. Not only that he has shown some really good form throughout this week, he also seems to get along great with Roglič and really looks up to him. The climbing depth of the preliminary team is not that great, especially considering apparent problems of Martinez, so I think it is necessary to include another climber. I have seen that Sobrero had a crash during training, does anyone has any info about this? Might it be that he is out for Giro and Pellizzari could replace him?

Secondly, apart from Roglič, the rest of the Giro team actually looked subpar in this Catalunya. Tratnik was nowhere to be seen, which is a bit strange. Aleotti was also totally useless, I was hoping he would at least be at the level of last years Vuelta. Oh and why the f*** is Wandahl in the team? There are literally 10 better options imo. With the strength in depth of team UAE and the multiple options they could have at the Giro and Roglič being the overwhelming favorite, I think it could be crucial to have a team that would be able to control the race. So far I am not convinced this lineup is best suited for the task. What are your opinions and do you think there might still be some changes in the Giro team?

 

[acm]

I would dearly love to see Pellizzari in the Giro team. Not only that he has shown some really good form throughout this week, he also seems to get along great with Roglič and really looks up to him. The climbing depth of the preliminary team is not that great, especially considering apparent problems of Martinez, so I think it is necessary to include another climber. I have seen that Sobrero had a crash during training, does anyone has any info about this? Might it be that he is out for Giro and Pellizzari could replace him?

Secondly, apart from Roglič, the rest of the Giro team actually looked subpar in this Catalunya. Tratnik was nowhere to be seen, which is a bit strange. Aleotti was also totally useless, I was hoping he would at least be at the level of last years Vuelta. Oh and why the f*** is Wandahl in the team? There are literally 10 better options imo. With the strength in depth of team UAE and the multiple options they could have at the Giro and Roglič being the overwhelming favorite, I think it could be crucial to have a team that would be able to control the race. So far I am not convinced this lineup is best suited for the task. What are your opinions and do you think there might still be some changes in the Giro team?

I hope both Sobrero and Pellizzari will go to Giro.
About Tratnik... He said for Slovenian media during Catalunya that his support for Rogla is for flat and medium stages (and he did great, what we could see on TV). He hasn't been on altitude yet, but even though shape is good, numbers are amazing and he feels optimistic. You don't need to worry about him, he'll be there for Primož.
Aleotti was great on Montserrat stage, he was dropped at the same time when Soler stopped pulling.
Wandahl is not yet definitely in the Giro team. This is his last season under contract with RBBH and I think they promised him that he would finally go to a grand tour this year.
Denz is also going to the Giro, he's just the best bodyguard for Roglič.
My team would look something like this:
Roglič, Pellizzari, Hindley, Martinez, Tratnik, Denz, Aleotti +Sobrero (depends on his injuries and recovery, we don't know much yet) or Moscon or Tim van Dijke.

 

[MLKarlos]

I hope both Sobrero and Pellizzari will go to Giro.
About Tratnik... He said for Slovenian media during Catalunya that his support for Rogla is for flat and medium stages (and he did great, what we could see on TV). He hasn't been on altitude yet, but even though shape is good, numbers are amazing and he feels optimistic. You don't need to worry about him, he'll be there for Primož.
Aleotti was great on Montserrat stage, he was dropped at the same time when Soler stopped pulling.
Wandahl is not yet definitely in the Giro team. This is his last season under contract with RBBH and I think they promised him that he would finally go to a grand tour this year.
Denz is also going to the Giro, he's just the best bodyguard for Roglič.
My team would look something like this:
Roglič, Pellizzari, Hindley, Martinez, Tratnik, Denz, Aleotti +Sobrero (depends on his injuries and recovery, we don't know much yet) or Moscon or Tim van Dijke.

agree, would also be my team to go

 

[tobydawq]

I just realized, i.e. yesterday's Catalunya attack was the successful implementation of that famous Vuelta 2021 stage 10 'no risk no glory' attack-crash.

Cat 2 climb, 20km or thereabouts from the finish, 20 second gap or so over the chasers... Spain as well. Yep, very similar.

I think it was different in that he didn't crash last Sunday. He even had time and nerves to drink from the bottle in the bends on the descent. Which seemed like quite a reckless thing to do, but at least all his crashes haven't made him scared of crashing.

 

[Bolder]

Denz is also going to the Giro, he's just the best bodyguard for Roglič.
My team would look something like this:
Roglič, Pellizzari, Hindley, Martinez, Tratnik, Denz, Aleotti +Sobrero (depends on his injuries and recovery, we don't know much yet) or Moscon or Tim van Dijke.

Do you have Hindley as a second protected rider? I would.

 

[Red Rick]

I think it was different in that he didn't crash last Sunday. He even had time and nerves to drink from the bottle in the bends on the descent. Which seemed like quite a reckless thing to do, but at least all his crashes haven't made him scared of crashing.

It's pretty obvious to me he's a fearless descender when he just can pick his own lines. His issues with crashes is nearly always in a peloton and dealing with the movement of other riders. And if *** gets really nervous you can see him losing spots in the washing machine everywhere.

 

[acm]

Do you have Hindley as a second protected rider? I would.

Definitely. I just hope he'll be in top form and at least on A. Yates' level.

 

[MLKarlos]

Definitely. I just hope he'll be in top form and at least on A. Yates' level.

I hope so too. Tirenno was a positive start.

 

[Rackham]

So after what happened today (aka Visma's 3v1 fail in Dwars) who wants to open up some old Rog wounds here and remember that one time they could have buried Pog in the 2020 TdF but saved Van Aert for the stage win?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwNrWPlRcFI


Some things never change.

 

[Peyroteo94]

So after what happened today (aka Visma's 3v1 fail in Dwars) who wants to open up some old Rog wounds here and remember that one time they could have buried Pog in the 2020 TdF but saved Van Aert for the stage win?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwNrWPlRcFI


Some things never change.

Pogi lost 1:21 minutes there... you are talking like he was in the same group with Roglic

 

[Rackham]

Pogi lost 1:21 minutes there... you are talking like he was in the same group with Roglic

That's the point. Stick WvA on the front after the echelon and Pog loses even more time. But Jumbo wanted the stage.

 

[Peyroteo94]

That's the point. Stick WvA on the front after the echelon and Pog loses even more time. But Jumbo wanted the stage.

Had Pogacar a decent team and Roglic would lose the Tour with a 2 minutes gap. A lot of ifs but he was beaten by a stronger rider with almost zero helpers in the mountains.

 

[Rackham]

Had Pogacar a decent team and Roglic would lose the Tour with a 2 minutes gap.

Maybe. Maybe not. But the point I was making is Jumbo has made tactical blunders before when trying to implement their 'win together' motto with a "we really need xyz rider to win this stage for political reasons" instead of looking at the bigger picture. Stage 7 of the TdF was one of them.

I hope both Sobrero and Pellizzari will go to Giro.
About Tratnik... He said for Slovenian media during Catalunya that his support for Rogla is for flat and medium stages (and he did great, what we could see on TV). He hasn't been on altitude yet, but even though shape is good, numbers are amazing and he feels optimistic. You don't need to worry about him, he'll be there for Primož.
Aleotti was great on Montserrat stage, he was dropped at the same time when Soler stopped pulling.
Wandahl is not yet definitely in the Giro team. This is his last season under contract with RBBH and I think they promised him that he would finally go to a grand tour this year.
Denz is also going to the Giro, he's just the best bodyguard for Roglič.
My team would look something like this:
Roglič, Pellizzari, Hindley, Martinez, Tratnik, Denz, Aleotti +Sobrero (depends on his injuries and recovery, we don't know much yet) or Moscon or Tim van Dijke.

Pellizzari is apparently off the Itzulia start list. Things are changing in his program:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1907434092427112629

View: https://x.com/biciPRO1/status/1907434092427112629


He's going back to Teide next week.

 

[zlev11]

So after what happened today (aka Visma's 3v1 fail in Dwars) who wants to open up some old Rog wounds here and remember that one time they could have buried Pog in the 2020 TdF but saved Van Aert for the stage win?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwNrWPlRcFI


Some things never change.

WVA is one of the most selfish riders i've ever seen

 

[Red Rick]

That's the point. Stick WvA on the front after the echelon and Pog loses even more time. But Jumbo wanted the stage.

It's not like Van Aert pulling would have made a minute difference. There were much bigger problems that Tour.

2 questions I will always have is how badly Roglic was affected by his Dauphine crash and both in climbing and in ITT, or if there's a different reason why his TTs were ass in 2020.

The other really big mistake was blasting the peloton to pieces on Port de Bales and Peyresourde, which led to Pogacar dropping Roglic and gaining a stupidly big amount of time on a pretty average 25 minute climb.

 

[Netserk]

It's not like Van Aert pulling would have made a minute difference. There were much bigger problems that Tour.

2 questions I will always have is how badly Roglic was affected by his Dauphine crash and both in climbing and in ITT, or if there's a different reason why his TTs were ass in 2020.

The other really big mistake was blasting the peloton to pieces on Port de Bales and Peyresourde, which led to Pogacar dropping Roglic and gaining a stupidly big amount of time on a pretty average 25 minute climb.

My biggest gripe is the last mountain stage. Locked it down rather than sending Van Aert up the road and go for the kill.

 

[Rackham]

It's not like Van Aert pulling would have made a minute difference. There were much bigger problems that Tour.

2 questions I will always have is how badly Roglic was affected by his Dauphine crash and both in climbing and in ITT, or if there's a different reason why his TTs were ass in 2020.

The other really big mistake was blasting the peloton to pieces on Port de Bales and Peyresourde, which led to Pogacar dropping Roglic and gaining a stupidly big amount of time on a pretty average 25 minute climb.

I don't disagree.

A misconception about the Tour 2020 is the notion Jumbo rode too defensively. The opposite could be said to be true, actually, and in doing so they put Rogla in difficulty.

Aggressive riding isn't just throwing around Hollywood style Granon stage attacks. It's about tempo and speed as well, as you noted.

 

[Red Rick]

My biggest gripe is the last mountain stage. Locked it down rather than sending Van Aert up the road and go for the kill.

I don't remember that well, but IIRC they didn't try to get into the break at all did they?

 

[Netserk]

I don't remember that well, but IIRC they didn't try to get into the break at all did they?

Iirc, they did not.

 

[Red Rick]

Iirc, they did not.

It's the sort of stuff that's completely inexplicable. You get dropped? You want someone there. You get away? You want someone there, etcetc.

 

[acm]

Pellizzari is apparently off the Itzulia start list. Things are changing in his program:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1907434092427112629

View: https://x.com/biciPRO1/status/1907434092427112629


He's going back to Teide next week.

Woaah, that was fast! Great news, I hope that means he's in the Giro team

 

[Sciatic]

It's not like Van Aert pulling would have made a minute difference. There were much bigger problems that Tour.

2 questions I will always have is how badly Roglic was affected by his Dauphine crash and both in climbing and in ITT, or if there's a different reason why his TTs were ass in 2020.

The other really big mistake was blasting the peloton to pieces on Port de Bales and Peyresourde, which led to Pogacar dropping Roglic and gaining a stupidly big amount of time on a pretty average 25 minute climb.

Actually, Roglic simply didn't follow Pogacar and instead stayed on Quintana's wheel, while Quintana was concerned with Roglic. Roglic even said afterward something to the effect of "why should I be the one to chase another Slovenian?" He probably wouldn't have stayed with Pogacar but wouldn't have lost that much time either.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Actually, Roglic simply didn't follow Pogacar and instead stayed on Quintana's wheel, while Quintana was concerned with Roglic. Roglic even said afterward something to the effect of "why should I be the one to chase another Slovenian?" He probably wouldn't have stayed with Pogacar but wouldn't have lost that much time either.

I vaguely remember at the time thinking he was waiting for Dumoulin as co-leader. But Pogacar also smashed the climb so maybe he also just knew he couldn’t keep up. A little unclear.