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Vingegaard was a reserve for the 2021 Tour.
He wasn't going to go; he came in at the last minute because of Dumoulin's injury.

Visma didn't have Vingegaard's training numbers?

For the 2023 Vuelta, they said the leaders were Vingegaard and Roglic.
Carapaz was Landa's domestique in the 2019 Giro.
I don't think Del Toro will win, but I wouldn't rule it out because he didn't come to the Giro as a leader.

I never saw Roglic comfortable on the gravel sections.
With no visibility after the front 10 riders I don't imagine anyone further back in the pack was comfortable. Crashes everywhere plus the tension of imminent punctures, separation from team cars and multiple gravel sections made it a crap shoot. Any of the riders could've suffered a time loss fate whether they had good or bad attitude about racing it. It's great in short doses but if they are going to have a gravel race; call it that and they can all ride appropriate bikes/tires. Stupid to jeopardize a team's investment in a 3 week race for a novelty appealing primarily to fans.
I loved it. Would've hated riding it.

As for Abi's suggestion he "should train more for puncture prevention"? In that chaos you don't get many choices on what you can see or line selection. Maybe he should have just broke away solo at km 1. Yeah, that might work.
 
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Tratnik: If We Didn’t Believe in Roglič’s Victory, We Might as Well Go Home

After the first extended week of the Giro d’Italia, the UAE Emirates-XRG team holds by far the strongest position, with four riders in the top ten. At Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe, however, they still believe Primož Roglič can win it.

19 May 2025, 15:38
Urban Sušnik


At the 108th Giro d’Italia, the opening nine stages are done, their guiding principle having been simple — don’t lose time to your rivals. As tradition seems to dictate, Red Bulls’ leader Primož Roglič has had more than his fair share of bad luck. His Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe squad started the race impressively; in the first three stages they rode like a well-oiled machine, keeping their captain out of trouble. With controlled rides at the head of the peloton, they surprised many pundits — especially given how much they struggled in similar situations last year.

Unfortunately, old wounds reopened when the race hit rainy southern Italy. On Stage 6’s treacherous, slick roads, half the team hit the deck — Jai Hindley had to abandon, while Jan Tratnik, Daniel Felipe Martinez, and Giovanni Aleotti continued on in pain.
“I crashed at high speed — we were doing about 70 km/h — and honestly I’m lucky just to still be in the race. But three of us are fairly badly banged up,” Jan Tratnik told us from Italy on the rest day.

Tratnik Got the Worst of It

The experienced rider regrets the time lost in Stage 9 even more than the Stage 6 pile-up — a day featuring gravel sectors from the famed one-day race Strade Bianche.
“Sadly, Primož once again had the worst luck. A crash is one thing, he’d have rejoined Ayuso’s group (editor’s note: Juan Ayuso), but then he punctured too,” said the 35-year-old from Idrija.

All this misfortune inevitably reminded cycling fans of last year’s Tour de France, when Tratnik — then with Visma-Lease a Bike — was in the right place at the right time to hand his bike to Jonas Vingegaard after a mechanical, saving the Dane precious time. Tratnik still remembers it clearly and regrets not being able to do the same for his close friend Primož Roglič.
“Before the stage we had a plan for me to stay with Primož for exactly that kind of situation. But after the crash, both my knees hurt, and it’s worst on short, explosive climbs. Right before the first gravel sector, there were a few of those and I lost some positions. So I hit the gravel too far back, and that’s where the crash really caught up with me — I wasn’t confident descending on the gravel, the bike skids everywhere. I realised I wasn’t willing to push it, and everything started to fall apart. It wasn’t my best day, but I gave it all I had,” Tratnik summarised what so far has been the pivotal day of the race for him and his new team.

He also firmly believes stages like that — where sheer bad luck can ruin a GC contender’s chances — don’t belong in Grand Tours.
“Modern cycling’s stressful enough without this nonsense. Keep it in the one-day races.”

Two Rest Days and Plenty of Therapy

Tratnik’s history with the Giro has been a cursed one in recent years — abandoning in Stage 3 three years ago, injured before the start two years back, and only finishing last year. Yet the Giro still holds good memories too, like his career-defining stage win in 2020.
“The Giro’s one of the most beautiful races. Last year I loved it again, chasing stage wins, came close once too. It made me forget all the bad luck. And this year, apart from the crash, I’ve been enjoying it and I’m looking forward to what’s next,” said the 35-year-old on his sixth Giro appearance.

The race resumes Tuesday with a 28.6 km time trial from Lucca to Pisa. Tratnik rode strongly in the Albania TT earlier in the season, even setting a reference time for Roglič. This time, though, the plan’s different.
“This TT’s nothing like that one — no technical sections. It won’t be about how fast you take a corner, just pure brute power. So for me it’s basically another rest day. I’ll focus on therapy sessions and hope we can ease the pain,” said the Red Bulls’ road captain.

The Eternal Optimist

Tratnik added that Roglič isn’t suffering any lasting effects from his gravel crash. Syuk, as he’s nicknamed, said the former ski jumper remains upbeat — and so does the team.
“We all still believe in Primož’s win. If we didn’t, we might as well pack up and go home. Sure, we’re a bit battered, but we still believe in our strength. That’s cycling — you have to believe. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don’t. What matters is you leave it all out there,” said the Idrija man, convinced Roglič’s 2:25 gap to leader Isac del Toro isn’t insurmountable.

Syuk’s also looking forward to the stage through Slovenia.
“I know those roads perfectly. It’s always great seeing everyone at home, and it gives you extra motivation — though it makes it hard to leave again because you just want to stay,” he joked.

Finally, he weighed in on their rivals — with UAE Emirates having four riders in the top ten: leader Isac del Toro, second-placed Juan Ayuso, plus Brandon McNulty and Adam Yates in eighth and ninth.
“I can’t really comment on what’s happening in their team, but it’ll be interesting to see how they manage their internal dynamics and adjust tactics. A lot will already depend on this next time trial — how Del Toro handles it,” said Tratnik.

He concluded by saying his focus is firmly on the Giro rn, with no thoughts yet for the Tour de France.
“All my thoughts are here in Italy. After this comes a short break — to rest the head more than the legs and heal the injuries — then it’s time to prep for France,” revealed the Slovenian.
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This is why I maintain it isn't just bad luck. This dude can't stay on his bike.

Over the years Rogla became an expert in falling. Remember last years crash in Basque Country? Vingo and Remco ended up badly while Primoz waved to the camera and got into his car. Legend.

It was a tactical slide, once you are older you need a bit of an adrenaline rush, for to kick in.

There's a negative spiral going on here with dark clouds above his Giro, literally.

Let's hope the wet surface means his abrasions aren't as bad as they could be.

Heaven will hold today, for Rogla. I wouldn't exclude first stage win today.
 
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This is why I maintain it isn't just bad luck. This dude can't stay on his bike.
Everything doesn’t have to be binary. Like most riders, he has had some bad luck (like the crash behind Hamilton that also took out Pidcock). Also, he has issues with positioning and handling that cause him to crash through rider error sometimes.

I’ve said this many times, but he is following the latter day Contador playbook a little too closely.
 
Also, he has issues with positioning and handling that cause him to crash through rider error sometimes.

Nah. Realistically and at the point of the crash Rogla would still need a team member or two to be there. That was missing and hence positioning was affected, for example Bernal didn't do it for himself either. If the idea is to do it yourself, through and through the stage, that is too tasking in terms of fatigue.
 
They say he's fine after todays crash. He went over an oil stain on the ground. He still feels inujries after sundays crash though. Oh and Tratnik is also in bad condition after stage 6 crash. He's knees are swollen. All but Primož will take it easy today.