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[Extinction]

He has done it several times Tour- Vuelta

Totally different scenario. The Tour is too intense to expect bouncing back from a first peak Giro that went poorly. Whereas the Vuelta is the second chance for those whose Tour didn't go to plan, with the possiblitiy of a second peak that's adequit.

 

[zlev11]

Totally different scenario. The Tour is too intense to expect bouncing back from a first peak Giro that went poorly. Whereas the Vuelta is the second chance for those whose Tour didn't go to plan, with the possiblitiy of a second peak that's adequit.

going to the Tour after this has always been in his plans anyway. nobody is saying he's going to win it. hell, he could just go there and ride for stage wins and it'd be better than staying in this race and finishing 10th.

 

[Extinction]

what? it's happened plenty of times. how many times has Roglic himself abandoned the Tour and then dominated the Vuelta? I swear to god people will argue with any post on this forum no matter how wrong their position has to be. there's like 45 friggin days until the start of the Tour.

Nonsense, if you think going to the Tour after a poor Giro you trained to win is like bouncing back after the Tour to take on the Vuelta, then I can't help you.

 

[Extinction]

You either need to come out of the Giro very good or else the Tour is going to be a long hard affair. It's not like the Vuelta, where the level is not as high, after the Tour.

 

[acm]

These things unfortunately happen. With hindsight it does appear like he's been riding with a problem for many days.

What makes it worse this time is there's no real thing to look forward to here. Next up is the worst GT of the year in July and Red Bull absolutely do not have a team anywhere near good enough to even dream of going toe-to-toe with UAE or Visma in key moments of the parcours, so Rog will get tossed into the meat grinder in July as well.

It's the left shoulder he was operated on three years ago. And yesterday he crashed again on the left side.

 

[Cycling111]

He has done it several times Tour- Vuelta

Pogacar and Vingegaard weren't in the Vuelta. It's also a different type of mountains.

 

[Gigs_98]

If you want any shot you have to basically be able to start attacking on Tuesday, and if you're dropped by 20 guys now I don't see how you're competing with the best in the next 2 days on a much more difficult stage.

I mean I agree but the same logic applied to Nibali in and Froome. Nibali was shockingly bad on stages 15 and 16 and so was Froome on stage 15 and essentially every climb before Zoncolan. Maybe this was a little worse but both Froome and Nibali had days where they were roughly the 20th best climber around this point in their respective Giro win.

 

[Extinction]

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Well decades following the sport tells me the Giro-Tour combo is totally different than the Tour-Vuelta, especially since moving the Vuelta to late August/September in 96. The Giro takes too much focus and preparation to be good in, such that if it goes wrong the Tour will be a brutal affair. Too many top riders will have focused only on the Tour. By contrast the Vuelta is a second chance, where you are either facing not top-tier GC guys or tired Tour finishers.

 

[zlev11]

Well decades following the sport tells me the Giro-Tour combo is totally different than the Tour-Vuelta, especially since moving the Vuelta to late August/September in 96. The Giro takes too much focus and preparation to be good in, such that if it goes wrong the Tour will be a brutal affair. Too many top riders will have focused only on the Tour. By contrast the Vuelta is a second chance, where you are either facing not top-tier GC guys or tired Tour finishers.

form is form no matter what race it is. nobody in their right mind thinks he can go to the Tour and have a chance to win even in the best possible condition. but he has shown he can get his form in order after a disappointing grand tour and perform at a high level numerous times. I see no reason why he couldn't recover and show up at the Tour with good enough form to finish top 5 with an outside chance at the podium. if he leaves the Giro on Tuesday he has 40+ days to recover and prepare. I honestly cant believe this incredibly lukewarm opinion has any kind of push back at all but then again, this is cyclingnews forums.

 

[Extinction]

form is form no matter what race it is. nobody in their right mind thinks he can go to the Tour and have a chance to win even in the best possible condition. but he has shown he can get his form in order after a disappointing grand tour and perform at a high level numerous times. I see no reason why he couldn't recover and show up at the Tour with good enough form to finish top 5 with an outside chance at the podium. if he leaves the Giro on Tuesday he has 40+ days to recover and prepare.

Now we can have a conversation. Was it so hard to lay down your reasons? The problem for him is that he is unwell now at the Giro, unless he shows otherwise this week. The Tour is the hardest race to win and if you have done a Giro, having planned to enter to win it and it doesn't go well, bouncing back for the Tour to be at your best will be troubling. The point is if I were among Roglic's staff, I'd be concerned for the Tour now.

 

[zlev11]

Now we can have a conversation. Was it so hard to lay down your reasons? The problem for him is that he is unwell now at the Giro, unless he shows otherwise this week. The Tour is the hardest race to win and if you have done a Giro, having planned to enter to win it and it doesn't go well, bouncing back for the Tour to be at your best will be troubling. The point is if I were among Roglic's staff, I'd be concerned for the Tour now.

because I didn't need to give any reasons. you originally disputed that I said he should "get ready for the Tour". he was already planning on going to the Tour! I never said he should "get ready to win the Tour". it wasn't even a hot take. there was no take. I don't even know what you're arguing about anymore. yea, the Tour is hard. sure.

 

[Rackham]

It's the left shoulder he was operated on three years ago. And yesterday he crashed again on the left side.

Yeah this one just hits harder than previous injury related drops. I'm entirely selfish here and I freely admit I wanted my yearly Roglstomp in a GT. But if the shoulder is busted, it's busted.

I feel like I'm once again in a Rogla version of How the Grinch Stole Christmas. All those hopes and dream, bam, kaput.

 

[Unchained]

Roglič is like a cat, except he rarely ever lands on his feet and also doesn‘t have nine lives but he can‘t escape Tiberi

Del Toro in his first season did all kinds of stupid stuff, missed feeds, went for nature break at bottom of climbs or fast sections, would yo-yo from @15th to near back, got caught behind crashes and other chaos, UAE apparently did some reeducation camp and now he stays at the front, even when he shouldn't. Del Toro's Giro has him around crashes!!
Roglic has been off his bike 4 times already in 2 weeks.. Extent of injuries is truly unknown, but he insists on some sleeper style racing that has him surrounded by support but also normally @10+ riders back and he just keeps dumping it!!
You know he doesn't want to crash, crash out of any race but why don't handlers suggest some different positioning? Is it that big of a tactical liability to jump on Ayuso, Bernal or Del Toro as they pass instead of just follow their wheel?
This whole Roglic roulette thing is silly, like some Roglic raffle to bet on how many times off the bike is too many, causing him to withdraw.
I like the guy, enjoy his easy going style but all laid back ,semi sort of aggressive is landing him on the ground..
Latest video has him in ripped shorts!! Enough already!!

 

[Red Rick]

I mean I agree but the same logic applied to Nibali in and Froome. Nibali was shockingly bad on stages 15 and 16 and so was Froome on stage 15 and essentially every climb before Zoncolan. Maybe this was a little worse but both Froome and Nibali had days where they were roughly the 20th best climber around this point in their respective Giro win.

Froome had won on the Zoncolan and Nibali had been 3rd in the queen stage to Corvara. For both of these their bad days were less clearly explained by injury to the extent you don't expect them to come back to form.

 

[Extinction]

because I didn't need to give any reasons. you originally disputed that I said he should "get ready for the Tour". he was already planning on going to the Tour! I never said he should "get ready to win the Tour". it wasn't even a hot take. there was no take. I don't even know what you're arguing about anymore. yea, the Tour is hard. sure.

I never disputed that, but am not optimistic he can reach a very high level for the Tour (whatever that means result wise). And I maintain that his past success at the Vuelta after his problems at the Tour isn't an indication of how he might be able to arrive at the Tour after a Giro in which you had problems.

 

[Red Rick]

Team manager said they're not sure he's starting after the rest day.

 

[Miha81]

Team manager said they're not sure he's starting after the rest day.

Probably best if he is not feeling good after the last crash.

 

[Netserk]

Hud udarec za Primoža Rogliča. Bo sploh končal letošnji Giro?

Slovenski kolesarski zvezdnik Primož Roglič je v nedeljski 15. etapi Dirke po Italiji doživel manjši polom na zadnjem klancu dneva, ko ni mogel slediti tempu tekmecev za skupno zmago in je proti njim do cilja 219-kilometrske preizkušnje izgubil minuto in pol ter v skupnem seštevku zdrsnil na...

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A Heavy Blow for Primož Roglič. Will He Even Finish This Year’s Giro?

Slovenian cycling star Primož Roglič suffered a minor collapse in Sunday’s 15th stage of the Giro d’Italia on the final climb of the day, when he was unable to follow the pace of his rivals for the overall victory and lost a minute and a half to them by the finish of the 219-kilometre test, sliding to tenth place in the general classification. Val 202 is reporting even more worrying developments after the stage.

After the gruelling 15th stage of the 108th Giro, Roglič was not available for statements to journalists, with only TNT Sports managing to extract two short sentences from him. “You have to keep hope that you can still try something. I’m just happy I finished the stage,” he said, before riding to the Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe team bus, where he was immediately taken into care by the German-Austrian team’s medical service, Val 202 reported.

A decision is expected by tomorrow at the latest on whether the 35-year-old from Kisovec will even be able to continue the race, which on Tuesday enters a brutal final week with the hardest stages in the Alps, a Slovenian journalist was told by BORA’s sports director. “I think that decision is in the hands of the medical team, as health comes first. The final word will be with the team doctor, who will assess whether Primož can continue or not,” said the team’s sports director Christian Pömer.

These are extremely bad news from Italy. Roglič cracked today on a second-category climb, while in the final week numerous much harder ascents are on the schedule, along with almost 25,000 metres of climbing in the final six stages of the race, which will conclude next Sunday in Rome.

It’s apparent that three crashes in the second week have properly worn down Roglič. His ordeal began with a crash on the gravel ninth stage of the race, continued with a fall during a reconnaissance of the time trial course before the tenth stage, and yesterday he again found himself on the tarmac on the slippery streets of Gorizia. Already in the sixth stage, the team lost the Australian climber Jai Hindley.

Tomorrow is the final rest day of the race, with a brutal and decisive last week of the 108th Giro beginning on Tuesday. After Sunday’s collapse, Roglič is now three minutes and 53 seconds behind the wearer of the pink jersey, Mexican Isaac Del Toro (UAE Emirates - XRG).

 

[Salvarani]

If Roglic goes Tour, he should not ride it for GC.

If anything he should not go Tour, instead try to win a 5th Vuelta.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

If Roglic goes Tour, he should not ride it for GC.

If anything he should not go Tour, instead try to win a 5th Vuelta.

Based on what I saw this year im not confident he would win another vuelta. If Vinegaard, Almida, Ajuso, de Torro, mas, carapaz are all there and have good form..

 

[Gargamel35]

He should drop 10 minutes in first stage and then stage hunt. He crashes way too much to be competitive in GC.

 

[Lorzenz08]

Honestly this is not looking good. Even crashes apart if he doesnt dramatically increase his level a top 10 at the TdF will be the best he can hope for

 

[SomeSome1010]

If Roglic had the same defeatist mentality as people in this thread, he would have never won anything. His chances of winning the tour were tiny even before today. I don't think a borderline full crack after repeated crashes and multiple psychological setbacks in the form of random time losses (I think this factor is huge) changes much. The Tour is by far the biggest stage in cycling. Of course Bora will want to bring their superstar.

Yeah this one just hits harder than previous injury related drops. I'm entirely selfish here and I freely admit I wanted my yearly Roglstomp in a GT. But if the shoulder is busted, it's busted.

I feel like I'm once again in a Rogla version of How the Grinch Stole Christmas. All those hopes and dream, bam, kaput.

It definitely hits different, because this might very well have been his last time entering a GT as the main favorite.

 

[perico]

Yeah, it wouldn't be farfetched: obviously "father time" is undefeated and yada yada yada.

But here we aren't talking about battling head to head against Pog&Vingo, and not even with Remco, or Del Toro, or a very in form Carapaz.
NO.
The guy was "flying" during Cataluna yet got dropped by group of 20 people that included:
Damiano Caruso (born October 1987); Wout Poulse (born october 1987); 2025's Nairo Quintana (born Feb 1990); Rafal Majka (born sep 1989), Pello Bilbao (born Feb 1990), the Yates; and a bunch of other guys who might be under 30 but are definitely not 'top dogs'.

Therefore, while expected, the decline seems a bit too much and a bit too sudden.


Wouldn't rule it out.

Allegedly he fell already 4 times at this giro:
Confirmed:
1. Siena's stage
2. Lucca's ITT recognition
3. Nova Gorica's finish stage
Allegedly today too:
4. not yet confirmed, but some people are saying they saw him bleeding at the finish line

Roglic falls as often as Pedersen wins

Problem of that comparison is that none of those guys are GC riders anymore. Roglic could still be competitive at his age but no longer as strong over 3 weeks.

I’m not saying that’s the case, but you can’t base it on one bad stage either way.