Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Red Rick]

Not against those two. Look at Galibier last year.

I meant Carapaz and Del Toro.

 

[Gargamel35]

I feel sorry for Rog. Not because of DNF in Giro, but because his wife is in the middle of a book tour called Grande Casino. She just published it.

Imagine, she decided to do it during Giro finishing and her husband winning it. No pressure. There is job pressure but it can't compare to spouse pressure.

I'm sure he got his share of spanking for that.

 

[Rackham]

Maybe I’m just too pessimistic about the level of the two riders right behind Pogi/Vingegaard

There's some truth is this, which is why >

Yup, the route is terribly backloaded, maybe the worst I've ever seen (in this regard).

I'm prepared to totally celebrate a really bad Tour design if it means GC is tighter for a longer period here. It also means mutants who peak equally across 3 weeks have less benefit because the first ten stages are just too easy for everyone (notwithstanding the inevitable crashes of course).

Maybe, just maybe in a perfect world, some riders with a monster peak over a few mountain stages might be able to be a little bit closer to Pog and Vinge. Last year San Luca and Galibier already blew everyone else of Pog's wheel after 4 stages.

 

[Red Rick]

Maybe I’m just too pessimistic about the level of the two riders right behind Pogi/Vingegaard

We're gonna get the sickest Roglic/Evenepoel battle for 3rd and we won't see it because Pogacar and Vingegaard will be doing interval training and looking at each other.

Maybe Rog will win the Tour when the other 3 do a surplace and poor Primoz doesn't have the skills to do a surplace.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I still maintain my bold predicition, Roglic will not finish in the top5.

 

[Red Rick]

I still maintain my bold predicition, Roglic will not finish in the top5.

You predicted he'll crash.

How extremely bold of you

 

[Rackham]

I still maintain my bold predicition, Roglic will not finish in the top5.

If Rog finishes 3rd you'll call him washed anyway.

 

[Peyroteo94]

If Rog finishes 3rd you'll call him washed anyway.

No, I won't. I think Roglic is washed (not close to the Roglic I witnessed 3-5 years ago) but he still is better than most GT riders so there is a decent possibility he will make top5 or even top3.
But my call is based on how he can't stay on his bike, specially in the Tour.

 

[Rackham]

No, I won't. I think Roglic is washed (not close to the Roglic I witnessed 3-5 years ago) but he still is better than most GT riders so there is a decent possibility he will make top5 or even top3.
But my call is based on how he can't stay on his bike, specially in the Tour.

I'll make the boldest prediction here and say 34 days out from the Tour de France I haven't got the slightest idea what's going to happen and I won't venture a prediction - at all. Too many variables now. Crashes, illness, surprises, tactical disasterclass from anyone. Pog is favorite, then Vinge. First they need to get through the Dauphiné intact.

FYI Rog and Ayuso were favorites for the Giro and we know what happened.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Guys, lets not forget, Rogla is the toughest stage racer and others pale in comparison. In the end hence focusing so much on Pogi and Jonas and to some extent to Remco.

Why?

Although Rogla DNF, at last years edition, in mountains he got the needed info, on what is the level needed, to beat. Over there there where no team orders or anything like that, pure max. If i remember correctly Pogi complained, that Rogla and Jonas worked together. Jonas went ahead and after, remainder of the race, paid for the effort.

Tour should actually be easier for Rogla in much regards. Forget about one team dictating the pace all the time, forget about one rider succeeding in everything. All in all competitors and allies all around. It helps that UAE and Visma genuinely seem to hate each other, on where Rogla is by now rather indifferent. He has no beef with Pogi or Jonas, first one was over when Visma won their first Tour and the second one on where Rogla became a lead for Red Bull – BORA – hansgrohe. With Remco i feel that the tensions settled down, on where other riders started wheel sucking him too. Imagine if del Toro would do it to him and not to Carapaz.

Main concern for Rogla is finishing the Tour, on where one has to say crashing is a guarantee, so in the end you shouldn't be too much concerned over that either. Otherwise forget about riding relaxed in the peloton.

Prepare good, you are the only hope left for humanity, aliens will strike fast and will strike hard. Rogla to survive and after to do the talking. FYI Rogla carries a climbing bazooka too, unfortunately at Finestre the powder got wet, was soaked with sweat, tears and blood. No need to cry about it, at the Tour i am sure that firing once or twice is a guarantee. Rogla is just too skilful rider, by now, not to do it, he is the toughest out of the bunch.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So, Rogla doesn't even own a computer, Lora doesn't have it anymore either, that much for al the W/kg debates.

 

[Oldman]

No, I won't. I think Roglic is washed (not close to the Roglic I witnessed 3-5 years ago) but he still is better than most GT riders so there is a decent possibility he will make top5 or even top3.
But my call is based on how he can't stay on his bike, specially in the Tour.

Allow me to add some information to your judgement regarding staying "on his bike". You make it sound so simple; so I'll make the calculus easy for you.
Tour Crash: Noted a*shole sprinter rides him off the road causing injury

Tour Crash: World Renowned fan takes out a driving Visma train while waving a sign for her grandparents

Tour Crash: Paris Roubaix stage he is ahead of eventual Visma #1 when preceding rider kicks a poorly placed haybale into his path at speed. PR sits on the curb: resets his dislocated shoulder, remounts and proceeds to finish the stage chasing his own team losing less time than most mortals would spend crying on the curb. Goes on to ride heroically in team support of their new leader. Pain eventually overcomes desire and he retires

Tour Crash: in good and safe position at 4km from finish with idiot (Astana?) rider decides to jump the median and crash out a dozen committed finishers. He loses several minutes and possible GC contention as well as injury

Now if you subtract those instances, substitute Jonas, Remco or even Pogacar who have suffered similar situation would you conclude they the "can't stay his bike" as defining for this year's Tour podium?

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Oldman

Yeah, if you actually do some analysis, most of the crashes that caused GT DNF weren't a direct consequence of Rogličes actions. Anyway, somebody actually went ahead and did it, Slavko Jerič, went that extra mile.

Overall wins
11: Eddy Merckx
10: Bernard Hinault
8: Jacques Anquetil
7: Fausto Coppi, Miguel Indurain, Alberto Contador, Chris Froome
5: Alfredo Binda, Gino Bartali, Felice Gimondi, Primož Roglič
4: Tony Rominger, Roberto Heras, Vincenzo Nibali, Tadej Pogačar

DNF
5: Miguel Indurain, Primož Roglič
4: Fausto Coppi, Chris Froome, Tony Rominger
3: Jacques Anquetil, Alfredo Binda, Vincenzo Nibali
2: Alberto Contador, Gino Bartali
1: Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, Roberto Heras
0: Felice Gimondi, Tadej Pogačar

Taking into the account number of GT participations Rogla takes the lead.

Cyclist	Started	DNF	Percentage
Primož Roglič	16	5	31,3
Fausto Coppi	17	4	23,5
Miguel Indurain	22	5	22,7
Tony Rominger	18	4	22,2
Chris Froome	21	4	19,0
Jacques Anquetil	16	3	18,8
Alfredo Binda	22	3	13,6
Vincenzo Nibali	27	3	11,1
Alberto Contador	18	2	11,1

Rogla is the toughest in history, nobody else comes close. Interestingly if we compare the percentage in between JV and Bora, at Bora is twice as high. Once Rogla started his GT career seriously overall win, podium position or DNF were the results:

Year	Giro	Tour	Vuelta
2016	58.
2017		38.
2018		4.
2019	3.		1.
2020		2.	1.
2021		DNF	1.
2022		DNF	DNF
2023	1.		3.
2024		DNF	1.
2025	DNF

Roglič na tritedenskih dirkah po letu 2018: zmagovalni oder ali odstop

Primož Roglič je v torek na Dirki po Italiji odstopil, kar pomeni, da je predčasno končal pet od zadnjih 13 tritedenskih dirk, ki se jih je udeležil. Na vseh preostalih je vselej stopil na zmagovalni oder.

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Thank you Slavko Jerič, for restoring our faith in professional journalism.

 

[Oldman]

@Oldman

Yeah, if you actually do some analysis, most of the crashes that caused GT DNF weren't a direct consequence of Rogličes actions. Anyway, somebody actually went ahead and did it, Slavko Jerič, went that extra mile.

Overall wins
11: Eddy Merckx
10: Bernard Hinault
8: Jacques Anquetil
7: Fausto Coppi, Miguel Indurain, Alberto Contador, Chris Froome
5: Alfredo Binda, Gino Bartali, Felice Gimondi, Primož Roglič
4: Tony Rominger, Roberto Heras, Vincenzo Nibali, Tadej Pogačar

DNF
5: Miguel Indurain, Primož Roglič
4: Fausto Coppi, Chris Froome, Tony Rominger
3: Jacques Anquetil, Alfredo Binda, Vincenzo Nibali
2: Alberto Contador, Gino Bartali
1: Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, Roberto Heras
0: Felice Gimondi, Tadej Pogačar

Taking into the account number of GT participations Rogla takes the lead.

Cyclist	Started	DNF	Percentage
Primož Roglič	16	5	31,3
Fausto Coppi	17	4	23,5
Miguel Indurain	22	5	22,7
Tony Rominger	18	4	22,2
Chris Froome	21	4	19,0
Jacques Anquetil	16	3	18,8
Alfredo Binda	22	3	13,6
Vincenzo Nibali	27	3	11,1
Alberto Contador	18	2	11,1

Rogla is the toughest in history, nobody else comes close. Interestingly if we compare the percentage in between JV and Bora, at Bora is twice as high. Once Rogla started his GT career seriously overall win, podium position or DNF were the results:

Year	Giro	Tour	Vuelta
2016	58.
2017		38.
2018		4.
2019	3.		1.
2020		2.	1.
2021		DNF	1.
2022		DNF	DNF
2023	1.		3.
2024		DNF	1.
2025	DNF

Roglič na tritedenskih dirkah po letu 2018: zmagovalni oder ali odstop

Primož Roglič je v torek na Dirki po Italiji odstopil, kar pomeni, da je predčasno končal pet od zadnjih 13 tritedenskih dirk, ki se jih je udeležil. Na vseh preostalih je vselej stopil na zmagovalni oder.

www.rtvslo.si

Thank you Slavko Jerič, for restoring our faith in professional journalism.

Thanks for finding this. Hopefully it might give armchair analysts some pause before posting personal preferences as fact.

 

[AmRacer]

@Oldman

Yeah, if you actually do some analysis, most of the crashes that caused GT DNF weren't a direct consequence of Rogličes actions. Anyway, somebody actually went ahead and did it, Slavko Jerič, went that extra mile.

Overall wins
11: Eddy Merckx
10: Bernard Hinault
8: Jacques Anquetil
7: Fausto Coppi, Miguel Indurain, Alberto Contador, Chris Froome
5: Alfredo Binda, Gino Bartali, Felice Gimondi, Primož Roglič
4: Tony Rominger, Roberto Heras, Vincenzo Nibali, Tadej Pogačar

DNF
5: Miguel Indurain, Primož Roglič
4: Fausto Coppi, Chris Froome, Tony Rominger
3: Jacques Anquetil, Alfredo Binda, Vincenzo Nibali
2: Alberto Contador, Gino Bartali
1: Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, Roberto Heras
0: Felice Gimondi, Tadej Pogačar

Taking into the account number of GT participations Rogla takes the lead.

Cyclist	Started	DNF	Percentage
Primož Roglič	16	5	31,3
Fausto Coppi	17	4	23,5
Miguel Indurain	22	5	22,7
Tony Rominger	18	4	22,2
Chris Froome	21	4	19,0
Jacques Anquetil	16	3	18,8
Alfredo Binda	22	3	13,6
Vincenzo Nibali	27	3	11,1
Alberto Contador	18	2	11,1

Rogla is the toughest in history, nobody else comes close. Interestingly if we compare the percentage in between JV and Bora, at Bora is twice as high. Once Rogla started his GT career seriously overall win, podium position or DNF were the results:

Year	Giro	Tour	Vuelta
2016	58.
2017		38.
2018		4.
2019	3.		1.
2020		2.	1.
2021		DNF	1.
2022		DNF	DNF
2023	1.		3.
2024		DNF	1.
2025	DNF

Roglič na tritedenskih dirkah po letu 2018: zmagovalni oder ali odstop

Primož Roglič je v torek na Dirki po Italiji odstopil, kar pomeni, da je predčasno končal pet od zadnjih 13 tritedenskih dirk, ki se jih je udeležil. Na vseh preostalih je vselej stopil na zmagovalni oder.

www.rtvslo.si

Thank you Slavko Jerič, for restoring our faith in professional journalism.

Thank you for posting this. Rogla could have had 1 or 2 more GC hadn't he DNF so much. Just what I thought.

 

[Lequack]

I just wish he would race Tour de Suisse.

 

[Salvarani]

Thank you for posting this. Rogla could have had 1 or 2 more GC hadn't he DNF so much. Just what I thought.

But whoever provided spare bike parts and new clothing wouldnt have been able to buy their dream house, so for that reason I think many of us can feel all the misfortune brought something good with it as well.

 

[AmRacer]

But whoever provided spare bike parts and new clothing wouldnt have been able to buy their dream house, so for that reason I think many of us can feel all the misfortune brought something good with it as well.

Had he won the Tour, he may not had raced the Vuelta.

 

[Cycling111]

On that list there are riders who have won 5 TDFs. You can't use that statistic and count all GTs equally.

Winning the TDF has always been more difficult. We can't assume that without accidents he would´ve won the Tour. He didn't win the last Tour that ended.

TDF cannot be compared with the other GTs statistically.

 

[Rackham]

On that list there are riders who have won 5 TDFs. You can't use that statistic and count all GTs equally.

Winning the TDF has always been more difficult. We can't assume that without accidents he would´ve won the Tour. He didn't win the last Tour that ended.

TDF cannot be compared with the other GTs statistically.

GT's are contingent on who is racing them and the era they're raced in. The bar constantly changes between higher or lower depending on the epoch. There's no "the Tour is harder" yada yada yada when the level to win the Vuelta or Giro these days is currently higher and more difficult to achieve than let's say winning the TdF 2019 was. So it's apples and oranges.

It's why looking back through the list of winners down the years there's certain names that stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[AmRacer]

@Oldman

Yeah, if you actually do some analysis, most of the crashes that caused GT DNF weren't a direct consequence of Rogličes actions. Anyway, somebody actually went ahead and did it, Slavko Jerič, went that extra mile.

Overall wins
11: Eddy Merckx
10: Bernard Hinault
8: Jacques Anquetil
7: Fausto Coppi, Miguel Indurain, Alberto Contador, Chris Froome
5: Alfredo Binda, Gino Bartali, Felice Gimondi, Primož Roglič
4: Tony Rominger, Roberto Heras, Vincenzo Nibali, Tadej Pogačar

DNF
5: Miguel Indurain, Primož Roglič
4: Fausto Coppi, Chris Froome, Tony Rominger
3: Jacques Anquetil, Alfredo Binda, Vincenzo Nibali
2: Alberto Contador, Gino Bartali
1: Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, Roberto Heras
0: Felice Gimondi, Tadej Pogačar

Taking into the account number of GT participations Rogla takes the lead.

Cyclist	Started	DNF	Percentage
Primož Roglič	16	5	31,3
Fausto Coppi	17	4	23,5
Miguel Indurain	22	5	22,7
Tony Rominger	18	4	22,2
Chris Froome	21	4	19,0
Jacques Anquetil	16	3	18,8
Alfredo Binda	22	3	13,6
Vincenzo Nibali	27	3	11,1
Alberto Contador	18	2	11,1

Rogla is the toughest in history, nobody else comes close. Interestingly if we compare the percentage in between JV and Bora, at Bora is twice as high. Once Rogla started his GT career seriously overall win, podium position or DNF were the results:

Year	Giro	Tour	Vuelta
2016	58.
2017		38.
2018		4.
2019	3.		1.
2020		2.	1.
2021		DNF	1.
2022		DNF	DNF
2023	1.		3.
2024		DNF	1.
2025	DNF

Roglič na tritedenskih dirkah po letu 2018: zmagovalni oder ali odstop

Primož Roglič je v torek na Dirki po Italiji odstopil, kar pomeni, da je predčasno končal pet od zadnjih 13 tritedenskih dirk, ki se jih je udeležil. Na vseh preostalih je vselej stopil na zmagovalni oder.

www.rtvslo.si

Thank you Slavko Jerič, for restoring our faith in professional journalism.

With this year, seven years with start in two GT's.