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[Cookster15]

Getting older in sports is only positive between 20-30

Generally yes but there are always exceptions. The rest of your post is fair.

There are factors which can overturn loss of cycling strength over 30 - like experience, confidence and mindset. Cadel Evans was an example. I wouldn't count out Rogla just yet.

 

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I’m pretty sure I could take him

 

[CyclistAbi]

I’m pretty sure I could take him

I checked the resume and has my green light:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS0-oxW40WM

 

[CyclistAbi]

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A. Yates, Almeida and Pogi vs Rogla, it's like half of the UAE Tour 2025 team vs Rogla, oh wait!

 

[Oldman]

We humans start to decline physically in the 30ies.

We humans? Speak for yourself and your gene pool. IMO it's definitely based on either embracing or abandoning serious work efforts and self care.

Upstream a poster landed this definitive bit of wisdom:
"This is a clear fact. He's struggling to get into shape now, and he's not maintaining it in as many races as he used to.
And of course it´s due to age; it's not ageism; it's a reality of sports. From age 30 onward, performance typically worsens. Getting older in sports is only positive between 20-30."

In Roglic's case we would most definitely include injuries in the self care catagory although most would be forced to admit that he's been crashed out by other riders; not acts of his own. Chris Froome rode into a wall. Remco overcooked a corner. Neither situation that were either near or worse: "Career ending" involved a racing incident.

The fact that most of these guys have put a lifetime of physical effort out in 2 seasons compared to other athlete cohorts has the most influence on decline. It takes serious discipline to maintain the regimen and mindset to manage it. It also may necessarily include an element of compromise on the training supplement front of performance. As they say in motor racing: speed costs. How fast do you want to go? If we are honest about disparity in performance we generally can settle on budget and compensation as the major factor for decline in early age decline.

 

[benzwire]

The mental aspect changes as well as they get older, meaning it could simply be changes to personal life. He has a couple children now and those little things start to affect the mentality needed to compete. Could affect the willingness to sacrifice for training, time away from home, or simply the ability to suffer. All these things add up, if only in the tiniest manner. It can affect risk-taking. It may not be worth it anymore as priorities change. I'm not saying Roglic can't overcome any of this, but he is human. That said, I think Roglic could still win the Tour under the right circumstances. It may require him transfer some of his bad luck to other guys, but he's still at that level he can win it.

 

[Rackham]

It may require him transfer some of his bad luck to other guys, but he's still at that level he can win it.

I'm here for it. All of it. Bring on the meltdowns and asterisked TdF win. It's what we live for.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Guys, relax, seated acceleration stands no chance against stomp. What happens next, that is to be answered. But if Rogla has a team member ahead, he will bridge. No bad luck needed, then people would say Rogla only won the Tour due to Pogi and Jonas being bad bike handlers. We won't have that.

 

[AmRacer]

Guys, relax, seated acceleration stands no chance against stomp. What happens next, that is to be answered. But if Rogla has a team member ahead, he will bridge. No bad luck needed, then people would say Rogla only won the Tour due to Pogi and Jonas being bad bike handlers. We won't have that.

The other three will follow Rogla when he bridge to his teammate. Then what?

 

[CyclistAbi]

The other three will follow Rogla when he bridge to his teammate. Then what?

I doubt all three will and even if they would no real problem involved. In such case Rogla can even rest a bit and mitigation successful, no significant time lost. Day in day out.

 

[Oldman]

Guys, relax, seated acceleration stands no chance against stomp. What happens next, that is to be answered. But if Rogla has a team member ahead, he will bridge. No bad luck needed, then people would say Rogla only won the Tour due to Pogi and Jonas being bad bike handlers. We won't have that.

You must've missed some of last year's Vuelta where Roglic spun past guys. When his leadout string got down to two workers he stayed mostly seated to the finish. On a hill; you only need to get out of the saddle to regain cadence, stretch in a new position or adjust to that switchback. That's the efficient way to do it. Go on and on about Contador and Pantani climbing 10km without sitting down but we know how that was done in those days. Not the same now. Bikes are different, gearing allows for much steeper grades in the saddle...you all know that because most can get up climbs you never would have on tried with an 8 speed, non-compact crankset.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Oldman

I meant that Pogi is innovating and will try often with his seated acceleration to distance competition. Here i feel that Rogla still has his not all that secret weapon at his disposal, stomp. Used to use it for winning stages, now can be used for mitigation purposes. But obviously the key here is to have a team member ahead, otherwise why even bother.

 

[Oldman]

The other three will follow Rogla when he bridge to his teammate. Then what?

We'd all love to see a spicier scenario: Almeida brings Pogacar across with a gap. Then it's a party!

 

[Cycling111]

Guys, relax, seated acceleration stands no chance against stomp. What happens next, that is to be answered. But if Rogla has a team member ahead, he will bridge. No bad luck needed, then people would say Rogla only won the Tour due to Pogi and Jonas being bad bike handlers. We won't have that.

You seem to forget that Roglic competed in some mountain stages of the 2024 Tour before retiring, and in all of them he was inferior to those two.

Even without a crash, he wouldn't have won that Tour.
He didn't lose that Tour simply because of bad luck. It's not the same as suggesting he will win the Tour because Pogacar and Vingegaard can crash.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Don't worry Roglic will have Meeus and Ol' Reliable Danny Van Poppel in the breakaway ahead for when he attacks.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You seem to forget that Roglic competed in some mountain stages of the 2024 Tour before retiring, and in all of them he was inferior to those two.

Even without a crash, he wouldn't have won that Tour.
He didn't lose that Tour simply because of bad luck. It's not the same as suggesting he will win the Tour because Pogacar and Vingegaard can crash.

Hard to say, on what would happen from Tour 2021 to Tour 2024, Rogla finishing. IMHO it's reasonable to expect, at minimum, podium position or higher.

On top of that take Pogi out of UAE or Jonas out of Visma and put them in lower tier teams at that point in time, when it comes to GT GC racing and lets see on how it goes for them, first season. Rogla won a GT in 2024 season and at Tour 2024 IMHO didn't do that bad, till DNF. Start was a bit rocky, then Rogla was getting in the mood.

Don't worry Roglic will have Meeus and Ol' Reliable Danny Van Poppel in the breakaway ahead for when he attacks.

At least in this thread you admit on how silly suggestions you had in the Rogličes team thread.

 

[red_flanders]

Hard to say, on what would happen from Tour 2021 to Tour 2024, Rogla finishing. IMHO it's reasonable to expect, at minimum, podium position or higher.

He wasn't in a podium position when he crashed out. He did crash out.

So expecting "at minimum, podium position or higher" is fairly absurd.

Finishing in the top 5, at minimum, would be expected given where he was. Probably 4th. Possibly 3rd, but doubtful. The simple fact is that it doesn't matter, since he crashed.

 

[Red Rick]

1'09 down on Evenepoel going into the Pyrenees is hardly insurmountable. He was getting better as the race went on and Evenepoel's climbing on the high MTFs and the Nice TT weren't such outliers that I would call that a level above Roglic.

 

[zlev11]

He wasn't in a podium position when he crashed out. He did crash out.

So expecting "at minimum, podium position or higher" is fairly absurd.

Finishing in the top 5, at minimum, would be expected given where he was. Probably 4th. Possibly 3rd, but doubtful. The simple fact is that it doesn't matter, since he crashed.

considering he crashed before any high mountain stages in both 2021 and 2024 and is usually a much better climber than the two riders who finished 3rd in those races, it is in fact reasonable to expect he would've been on the podium.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Last year, Remco's performance in the Tour's mountains was vastly overrated. He was losing 15 s/km in every mountain stage. This is a absurd! Roglic could have been close to him for sure.

 

[Berniece]

Last year, Remco's performance in the Tour's mountains was vastly overrated. He was losing 15 s/km in every mountain stage. This is a absurd! Roglic could have been close to him for sure.

All performances and wins from Evenepoel are always overrated. They are basically gifted to him, and he’s just lucky

 

[Peyroteo94]

All performances and wins from Evenepoel are always overrated. They are basically gifted to him, and he’s just lucky

You don't have a valid argument so you use sarcasm in your post. If you don't agree, explain when and Why I am wrong in my post.
First, where did he win a mountain stage in the Tour (since I was talking about his performance in the Tour)?

 

[Berniece]

You don't have a valid argument so you use sarcasm in your post. If you don't agree, explain when and Why I am wrong in my post.
First, where did he win a mountain stage in the Tour (since I was talking about his performance in the Tour)?

Let’s start with Evenepoel’s TDF2024 climbing performances was w/kg better than Pogi and Vingegaard in the years before.

 

[Cycling111]

Last year, Remco's performance in the Tour's mountains was vastly overrated. He was losing 15 s/km in every mountain stage. This is a absurd! Roglic could have been close to him for sure.

I disagree. Almeida finished 10 minutes behind Remco, and not precisely because he was a domestique. And Almeida was coming in strong, given the differences in Switzerland in 2024, too.

 

[Red Rick]

W/kg estimates are the ultimate crutch to just tap out of a discussion. Simon Yates would beat 2024 Giro Pogacar because the Finestre W/kg estimates say so, etc.