Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Peyroteo94]

Let’s start with Evenepoel’s TDF2024 climbing performances was w/kg better than Pogi and Vingegaard in the years before.

Context is very important and you are neglecting it. Remco did only better in PdB where his main "rival" was almost 3 minutes faster and his teammate was one minute slower while Vingegaard was 1'40" ahead.
Other than PdB, Vingegaard had better numbers in Marie Blanque, Cote de Domancy, he would have better numbers in Joux Plane (they are breaking Pantani's record) if he didn't have caught Pogacar.
But you still didn't say where I was wrong.

 

[Peyroteo94]

W/kg estimates are the ultimate crutch to just tap out of a discussion. Simon Yates would beat 2024 Giro Pogacar because the Finestre W/kg estimates say so, etc.

Ignoring time gaps and focus more in w/kg estimations is silly.

 

[Potomac]

How many stages to people think Roglic will complete this year in the TdF?

I don't think he makes it to first rest day. I finally took a good look at the profiles and I see to many crashes looking at the first week.

I think they should keep him out of the TdF and save him for the Vuelta. He will get 100th win in the Vuelta if they do.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I think they should keep him out of the TdF and save him for the Vuelta. He will get 100th win in the Vuelta if they do.

From what I understand that is what the team wanted (giro + vuelta) but roglic couldn't be convinced. I'm not even sure he really wanted to do the giro.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Roglic will be at that Vuelta whatever happens here, even if he has to be carried on to the bike.

 

[Lorzenz08]

I think Roglic will be a serious contender for 3rd place this TdF and he will not be far from Evenepoel

 

[Unchained]

I think Roglic will be a serious contender for 3rd place this TdF and he will not be far from Evenepoel

Just as Yates won Giro with calm, calculated efficiency and economy. If Roglic can stay up, out of trouble, when he wins it's like Yates, consistency.
Quality rider who is profoundly unlucky at last few TDF appearances.. I hope he does it!!
At 35 years old, he and Bora are probably thinking overtime about the future

 

[red_flanders]

considering he crashed before any high mountain stages in both 2021 and 2024 and is usually a much better climber than the two riders who finished 3rd in those races, it is in fact reasonable to expect he would've been on the podium.

I didn't see anything I thought supported that. I thought he was quite good, maybe as good as we've seen him. And he was a bit behind Evenepoel pretty much everywhere. Didn't see Evenepoel fade, in fact maybe the opposite.

My issue is with "at minimum a podium". Sorry that's not the minimum. DNF is the minimum. 5th after that, likely 4th. We saw where folks were.

 

[zlev11]

I didn't see anything I thought supported that. I thought he was quite good, maybe as good as we've seen him. And he was a bit behind Evenepoel pretty much everywhere. Didn't see Evenepoel fade, in fact maybe the opposite.

My issue is with "at minimum a podium". Sorry that's not the minimum. DNF is the minimum. 5th after that, likely 4th. We saw where folks were.

"i didn't see anything" is subjective. objectively they never made it to the multiple mountain stages together, where objectively Roglic is always much better than Remco. you can't extrapolate a TT and one hilly stage into the rest of a race which had 4 high mountain stages left. you should know better than that.

 

[red_flanders]

"i didn't see anything" is subjective. objectively they never made it to the multiple mountain stages together, where objectively Roglic is always much better than Remco. you can't extrapolate a TT and one hilly stage into the rest of a race which had 4 high mountain stages left. you should know better than that.

Of course it's subjective. I stand by everything I said above, it covers this response.

 

[zlev11]

Of course it's subjective. I stand by everything I said above, it covers this response.