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Wouldn't be so sure he can drop Jorgensen, Mas or Johannesen at the moment. He could have also gained 40 sec on Remco and Almeida who probably can just follow him after gaining in the TT.
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Someone should probably re-watch but from my point of view as I was seeing it unfold, the answer would be no. Just following wheels. Maybe one of them did a turn but it wasn't an organized chase.
I didn't get what Quick Step were doing either. There's literally a yellow jersey up for grabs for Evenepoel after the ITT and they just did diddly-squat. So in the words of Rachel Zegler... weird!
- Feb 20, 2012
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Well if that's the case we have a massive form crisis and racing the Tour was a bigger waste of time than my 3rd reread of all the ASOIAF books.
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I'll allow. D&D actually finished their story, no matter how shite. GRRM meanwhile cannot be arsed and DNF'ed after the first block of mountain stages.
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I have a really substantial and overlong headcanon of what happened 'after' the show ended.
A bit like with the 2019 and 2021 TdF's I have a headcanon in which Rogla wins yellow. When reality sucks I'll make up my own better one.
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He has always had an issue with positioning. Nothing has changed
But he's actually always been pretty good in echelons. This wasn't about positioning per se. That happens. No big deal. But the team response afterwards? It's like no one had a clue what was going on or what the plan was. They just followed the 'sprint with Meeus' plan no matter how ridiculous it was considering there were nearly 40 riders up front.
- Mar 20, 2010
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I'm beginning to believe what he is saying 'I don't care'. Now it is in words and actions. He's lollygagging mid pack knowing Pogi and Vingo are near the front and Wind is predicted. If he cared he'd have been taking turns at the front of group 2 like Contador and many others would have done. I really hope I'm wrong but right now I don't think he has legs.
EDIT: Tomorrow will tell us more if the end is steep enough. If he tries a stomp okay! If he loggygags in top 20 PFFT.....
EDIT: Tomorrow will tell us more if the end is steep enough. If he tries a stomp okay! If he loggygags in top 20 PFFT.....
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I'm beginning to believe what he is saying 'I don't care'. Now it is in words and actions. He's lollygagging mid pack knowing Pogi and Vingo are near the front and Wind is predicted. If he cared he'd have been taking turns at the front of group 2 like Contador and many others would have done. I really hope I'm wrong but right now I don't think he has legs.
No. They regularly went to the front, in fact he'd been near the front throughout.
What happened was there was a slight lull in the bunch and as soon as they slipped down, it split. Then immediately afterwards the ds was like a rabbit caught in the headlights, i.e. chase as a team or stick to the Meeus sprint plan? They achieved neither. Ditto Quick Step.
Mistakes were made before and after the split but I don't believe it's a matter of not having legs. If that were the case, Red Bull wouldn't have just flipped a birdie at Lipowitz when he had his mechanical and made the poor guy chase back on all by himself.
Unless it's all for Meeus of course, which would be... weird. Weird.
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I do, the hungry one who did a 20km solo to claim Catayluna on the final stage ala Contador.
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He's always been the same in interviews. Doesn't say anything at all about how he'll actually ride or how hungry he is imo.
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By the way, taking a team of rouleurs was supposed to prevent this sort of bizarrerie.
At least in theory.
At least in theory.
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Must be my old eyes. It's easy to see a white top and blue shorts who pedals like Rogla. I couldn't find him. But I can rewatch. I have it recorded.
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Good point @Carols. I have vivid memories of Contador at the front chasing for all he’s got in situations like that. Not sure why Roglic did nothing today.
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Guys, there's a really tedious possible scenario here in which Denk panicked after the Giro and threw together a sprint train for Meeus as a last minute gamble because he's desperate not to finish the Tour empty handed like last year.
The problem he might not have realized is Meeus ranks lower in the sprint hierarchy than Rog does in the GC hierarchy.
The problem he might not have realized is Meeus ranks lower in the sprint hierarchy than Rog does in the GC hierarchy.
- Mar 20, 2010
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Tratnik and Hindley would have been here but are injured, no Vlasov or Martinez.
Maybe that's when Primoz started not caring. He knew this wasn't a team that he could win Le Tour with.
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I really don't think Rog is racing nonchalantly here. I don't get that impression. He's just Rog. Yeah the split was a mistake but he'd been racing near the front for the entire stage.
The thing I found amazing was giving Van Poppel and Meeus protected status for a sprint... for 39th. But Quick Step did the exact same thing with Merlier. So IMO what happened was another glorious addition to modern cyclismo and all its contradictions, contractual bizarreness, sponsor demands and conflicting objectives.
If one team makes that mistake, it's on them, but if two make the exact same call? Then it's just what riding with a sprinter apparently entails in 2025 and both teams got found out in a really embarrassing way (because obviously sprinting for 39th place crumbs looked low IQ to the max).
The feed view was at a distance but there was a clutch of light-colored jersies on the windward side of the road that appeared to ease off as the gap openned. In some flashback shots from there to the finish you could catch some Bora riders up front but no QS. I think they were actually too far back as Remco rode off the left side of the road pretty close to the gap forming. If his teammates were helping him back to a better position they didn't get it done. The few shots that were available showed Primoz alone with maybe one teammate up front.
Not knowing how much the respective DS's can see from aerial shots but both JV and Alpecin were present at that point. There was even some conversation at the last hill points between Jonas and Alpecin guys before they descended onto that windy flat stretch. Looks like they held that position until the hammer dropped! Bora and QS were definitely not paying attention. Primoz seldom makes that mistake unless he's been impeded or ridden off the road. Shame.
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