Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Cycling111]

Big difference between getting out of a Giro with sickness and injury rather than without a scratch on you having spent less than an hour over threshold.

He didn't look good in the stage Ayuso won, and that was before the accidents.

He doesnt care abt results anymore, idk what the discussion is abt here. This tour is all abt getting to Paris, if it's in 3rd or 130th place is totally irrelevant at this stage. And I think Bora will try everything to protect him to achieve that goal

Maybe he does, but Bora certainly cares about the result. He gets paid 5 million for results.

 

[Gargamel35]

He wants to get to Paris. He said that, yet everybody question it. He'll do his best but not going 100% until mountains because of risk of injury. So this is now Roglič at 95% and not in good form.
He'll get better until the last week and if he doesn't fall je might fight for top 5. Might. Good enough.

 

[SHAD0W93]

It may not be in the GC context but he and Lipowitz have spent alot of energy responding to JV's tactics on the first 4 days. The upside is Visma saw the results of that plan today and will knock it off a bit to make UAE begin to work. We have 5 more stages to the rest day and all of those races will prompt aggression by everyone.
This isn't without more gap control but JV has to manage UAE more than Bora does.

Visma will most likely keep the race hard everyday like the last 3 editions because their only plan is Pogacar cracks due to the hard pace everyday.

 

[Rackham]

If there's one thing I've learned over the past seven years following this rider is mid-GT narratives mean very little in the scheme of things regarding where he'll finish. That was true in the 2018 TdF, 2019 Giro & even now in this Tour.

There's so many potential scenarios here it's pointless listing them all. There's even truly terrible stuff like he gets better, actually starts climbing well... and then crashes and DNF's because of course. But there's another scenario in which he's Olympics 2021 road race bad and just gets dropped by a whole bunch of riders on Hautacam - The End.

Rog is just too predictably unpredictable for me to venture a prognosis here.

 

[Carols]

"Who is leader between me and Jonas? Could be both, no? Even Sepp Kuss can win Vuelta"

Kuss won because management told Primoz and Vingo to let him go!

 

[Rackham]

Kuss won because management told Primoz and Vingo to let him go!

The point was Rog made the prediction before the 2023 Vuelta that Kuss might win. And he did. Yeah the politics made it happen but Kuss was definitely third best rider in that race.

 

[SHAD0W93]

The point was Rog made the prediction before the 2023 Vuelta that Kuss might win. And he did. Yeah the politics made it happen but Kuss was definitely third best rider in that race.

Wasn’t Roglic asked about Vingegaard’s chances and that’s when he brought up Kuss in a trolling way? comment Kuss

 

[Rackham]

Wasn’t Roglic asked about Vingegaard’s chances and that’s when he brought up Kuss in a trolling way? comment Kuss

I think those comments were made during the Vuelta team presentation ceremony (& again during a pre-Vuelta press conference where Rog and Vinge sat next to each other like besties... aka before rise of the dark side that followed).

But seriously Rog says a lot and nothing at all. On purpose. I think when guys like Adam Blythe start ranting about Rog's pre-TdF comments and calling them disrespectful, he's really just fishing for drama and looking for any angle and stick to beat up on Rog with.

 

[benzwire]

he's just warming up - waiting to storm the Pyrenees like a mountain goat

…in La Vuelta

 

[Berniece]

I hope he goes for an all in scenario and at least once goes early and hard to disrupt

 

[Red Rick]

I hope he goes for an all in scenario and at least once goes early and hard to disrupt

It's hard to attack anywhere because Visma wanna do their hard pace all day thinking they'll tire out Pogacar and Pogacar wants to win 18 thousand stages.

 

[Oldman]

He wants to get to Paris. He said that, yet everybody question it. He'll do his best but not going 100% until mountains because of risk of injury. So this is now Roglič at 95% and not in good form.
He'll get better until the last week and if he doesn't fall je might fight for top 5. Might. Good enough.

He's been in the back seat from Stage 1 tactically. Part of that challenge has been slack team support and the effort to stay in the relevant part of a nervous peleton for 4 days. His TT today showed his fatigue from that and he still bested the JV effort there. Unfortunately Remco and Tadej gained a bunch of time so he'll need to get adventurous to gain some worthwhile time. He might get lucky and get some slack on a stage like 6. Otherwise he's going to be facing 4 days of similar beatings to the first 4 stages to arrive at stage 10.
It's now where his form becomes less relevant although IMO it's not that bad. The opposition isn't going to provide an opportunities until after the second TT on stage 13. He could be down 6 minutes by then. Lipowitz is in the same boat, too.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So, psychologically the first batch of stages now over, Rogla rode a solid ITT and in numbers two and a half minutes down on race leader. Some of that accumulated due to team tactics, mechanical and individual performance. Going into stage 6 i feel that small inroads will start to be made, finale of stage 6 looks rather suitable for that. Jonas and Remco seem well in reach, Pogi likely to be tackled on the GTOAT terrain.

I am rather optimistic and like the fact Rogla is tackling this Tour edition as it would Vuelta.

 

[Red Rick]

I am satisfied. I have no idea how well it went, but I enjoyed it. The weather was nice, it was crowded on the road so it went by fast. All is okay, some were slower, some were faster. I've done all I could every day so far, so we have to keep doing that. I'm healthy and still whole"

~ a certian Slovenian master of satire

 

[CyclistAbi]

~ a certian Slovenian master of satire

On top of that when asked about the mechanical issue on stage 4, obviously the big chainring wasn't the problem, the lack of legs was.

 

[CyclistAbi]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDLT2yWU5s8

 

[Divergence]

I think those comments were made during the Vuelta team presentation ceremony (& again during a pre-Vuelta press conference where Rog and Vinge sat next to each other like besties... aka before rise of the dark side that followed).

But seriously Rog says a lot and nothing at all. On purpose. I think when guys like Adam Blythe start ranting about Rog's pre-TdF comments and calling them disrespectful, he's really just fishing for drama and looking for any angle and stick to beat up on Rog with.

So what was the disrespectful thing Rog said according to Blythe?

 

[Rackham]

So what was the disrespectful thing Rog said according to Blythe?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1941855439223746966

View: https://x.com/CyclingUpToDat3/status/1941855439223746966

 

[Valv.Piti]

Rackham, you have to accept that interviews like these rub some people the wrong way. Im not a fan of them either to say the least, but it's who he is. I think he has sounded defeatist bordering IDGAF, and unless you have studied every single Roglic interview, most people will find interviews like that a bit weird.

Still better than Trine interviews ofc.

 

[Rackham]

Rackham, you have to accept that interviews like these rub some people the wrong way. Im not a fan of them either to say the least, but it's who he is. I think he has sounded defeatist bordering IDGAF, and unless you have studied every single Roglic interview, most people will find interviews like that a bit weird.

Still better than Trine interviews ofc.

If we rate cycling interviews' 'offensiveness' like cols, I could accept Rog is a cat 4. It's just there. Neither particularly memorable nor offensive. Fans know what he means but I get it, i.e. people who take him literally might not fully be on board.

Meanwhile Trine of course is Hors Catégorie. Like the Angliru of interviews. The mother of all what the hell-isms condensed in perfectly timed bombs.

 

[Red Rick]

People getting mad at this just adds to the comedy. It's clear it's not like he isn't trying.

But it's kinda like people saying they like it when "someone tells it like it is" until someone they don't like "tells it like it is" or they say something they don't agree with.

 

[Divergence]

Rackham, you have to accept that interviews like these rub some people the wrong way. Im not a fan of them either to say the least, but it's who he is. I think he has sounded defeatist bordering IDGAF, and unless you have studied every single Roglic interview, most people will find interviews like that a bit weird.

Still better than Trine interviews ofc.

What he says and how he says it is a function of his command of the English language. Subtly expressing yourself requires a much higher level of English. Therefore, he says what is easiest for him.
BTW, I know this feeling. You give it your all, you know it is not your best performance, and then somebody asks about placings. It that moment you really do not care. Your mind is focused on what to do to get better, i.e., to a position where you would start to care.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Yeah, we are sorry Adam, for hurting your feelings and everybody else that felt hurt too.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Bora taking all that red bull money to send 7 guys to the tour to support one rider in making it Paris unharmed hahahahaha.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Ilmaestro99

I mean if they only would do that, Rogla finishing the Tour, we all know what that means in terms of the results. And in the end it's good, when your team gets you.