Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Ilmaestro99]

The result was disappointing but not the manner in which it was achieved

 

[Red Rick]

Would be fun to see Rog spend his final season or two indulging in late-career-Contador-style attacks, but I guess he has another serious GT attempt in his legs still. Anyway, no bad crashes and a smile on his face at the TDF which is great to see.

He's not typically the style of climber that makes a gerat breakaway climber in that breakaway climbers are somewhat often more geared towards long, hard attritional races, while Rog is more of a flat track bully.

But then Simon Yates has done really well in breakaways, soooo.

 

[Berniece]

Nice TDF from him, basically 5th best for the GC

 

[Red Rick]

@Peyroteo94 whispering tactics in Roglic' ear this morning.

 

[Peyroteo94]

@Peyroteo94 whispering tactics in Roglic' ear this morning.

I was right even if I had lost some faith in my prediction 2 days ago.

 

[Rackham]

I'm totally down for stage hunter Rogla next year.

It has to be done right though, just like he did over the past 30 hours, i.e. early attacks for real long-range cool points multiplier. 100k out or more. He can put his descending skills to use as well.

Imagine a Red Bull team with Lipowitz and Evenepoel on GC duty (good luck lads!) and Rog as a stage hunter? It could work.

 

[AmRacer]

Rogla makes it to the final Paris stage, crashes heavily and DNF

 

[Rou]

Serious question:
Were Roglic' shenanigans from today in some way connected with the news of Remco 's arrival?
Is papa Rogla not happy with this?

 

[AmRacer]

Serious question:
Were Roglic' shenanigans from today in some way connected with the news of Remco 's arrival?
Is papa Rogla not happy with this?

He rides and having fun while not crashing. BoraBull get lots of camera time.

 

[Red Rick]

Serious question:
Were Roglic' shenanigans from today in some way connected with the news of Remco 's arrival?
Is papa Rogla not happy with this?

I would really doubt it. I think he just wanted to try today, and the team doesn't have the guts to say no.

 

[jmdirt]

Hey, what the heck go for it...even if you could/should have been helping your young teammate!

 

[Gargamel35]

Young teammate was perfectly capable doing it himself while his mentor could spread his wings and fly. Maybe for the last time on Tour.

 

[broppo]

Mentor lol? He did absolutely nothing for Lipowitz, in fact he made life more difficult for him. Kind of shameful that such a great rider is so incredibly selfish. It would have been a great showing if he would have helped his young teammate. But no, it is more fun to go for a hopeless suicide attack. He should just retire if you ask me.

 

[geisterhome]

I'm totally down for stage hunter Rogla next year.

It has to be done right though, just like he did over the past 30 hours, i.e. early attacks for real long-range cool points multiplier. 100k out or more. He can put his descending skills to use as well.

Imagine a Red Bull team with Lipowitz and Evenepoel on GC duty (good luck lads!) and Rog as a stage hunter? It could work.

Evenepol is under normal circumstances nobody who can go for GT GC vivcories consistently, he has bad days, he isnt a particularly good climber, lots of things have to work out for him to win a GT

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Looking back, it was no issue, but a teammate of 3rd in GC going for the stage by going into the breakaway on the last mountain stage when the chance of the break winning is basically zero only to then go out the back is really weird. So far this Tour, Roglič played the teammate role really well and I guess he‘s kind of in a weird way allowed to do that because he‘s got a special relationship with the Tour and this might be his last but it‘s still not the gold standard for Professionalism.

 

[Gargamel35]

Mentor lol? He did absolutely nothing for Lipowitz, in fact he made life more difficult for him. Kind of shameful that such a great rider is so incredibly selfish. It would have been a great showing if he would have helped his young teammate. But no, it is more fun to go for a hopeless suicide attack. He should just retire if you ask me.

Lipowitz said many times how good of a mentor Roglič is. Maybe he knows better than some broppo guy. Luckily no one will ask you anything. One of best GC riders of the last decade should retire because he didn't drag some Lipowitz uphill despite Lipo had no problem going up himself.

 

[P4rthen0n]

His break companions, Lenny Martinez and VPP, finished 9th and 11th in the stage, 3m47 and 4m02 down.

Roglic finished 27th, 12m39 down. It's a total implosion... and dropped from 5th in GC to 8th.

Nightmare day for Roglic.

 

[Red Rick]

Well on stage 18 a scenario unfolded where being in the exact same sort of breakaway would have been really good. But it's not really a move you can walk back cause it's not working, and once you get over Col du Pré in a pointless situation you've already spent too much to be realistically worth anything to Lipowitz on La Plagne should he get dropped.

Tbh the way he approached Col du Pré being almost the first aggressor on the easier section was just really bad to me like he's a tourist in breakaways that doesn't know what he's doing.

 

[Gargamel35]

Looking back, it was no issue, but a teammate of 3rd in GC going for the stage by going into the breakaway on the last mountain stage when the chance of the break winning is basically zero only to then go out the back is really weird. So far this Tour, Roglič played the teammate role really well and I guess he‘s kind of in a weird way allowed to do that because he‘s got a special relationship with the Tour and this might be his last but it‘s still not the gold standard for Professionalism.

I would think Roglič has enough of teammates that get opportunities despite his captain position in a team. He had to deal with Wout, Jonas and even Kuss. He goes to Bora to be a captain and it happens again with Lipowitz. And each time people think this ski jumper should help

His break companions, Lenny Martinez and VPP, finished 9th and 11th in the stage, 3m47 and 4m02 down.

Roglic finished 27th, 12m39 down. It's a total implosion... and dropped from 5th in GC to 8th.

Nightmare day for Roglic.

He bombed the decent and rode like hell on straight while VPP and Lenny were already chiling. He rode himself into the ground before final climb and didn't even try to push uphill any more. Why? Who knows. Maybe to be on the spotlight as nr. 1 rider for the last time.

 

[geisterhome]

Why does he want to quite tho? He is still good enough to win a GT, when was the last time we saw him in top form actually, meaning he wasnt impacted by crashes either during his build up or the race itself. If he aims for a GT without Pogacar or Vingegaard next year and everything goes right during the preperation chances are that he will win it.

 

[Red Rick]

Why does he want to quite tho? He is still good enough to win a GT, when was the last time we saw him in top form actually, meaning he wasnt impacted by crashes either during his build up or the race itself. If he aims for a GT without Pogacar or Vingegaard next year and everything goes right during the preperation chances are that he will win it.

Time away from family is one reason, and a lack of anything left to win that he can realistically win.

With the way he talks, he doesn't seem at all concerned with getting the maximum number of GT wins or wins or anything. In fact he seems pretty content with what he has.

And maybe that's just his preference to focus on the moment it just helps him focus and enjoy it more and he continues for a few more years, but I would be pretty surprised if he continued way past the point he stopped being competitive.

 

[acm]

Mentor lol? He did absolutely nothing for Lipowitz, in fact he made life more difficult for him. Kind of shameful that such a great rider is so incredibly selfish. It would have been a great showing if he would have helped his young teammate. But no, it is more fun to go for a hopeless suicide attack. He should just retire if you ask me.

Thank god nobody asked you.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

All this talk about how Roglic should actively work for Lipowitz, Vingegaard, Kuss…when was the last time a big GT winner acted as a good, committed domestique instead of pursuing their own agenda?

Trying to think here…
Froome? No.
Geraint Thomas? Not really.
Contador? No.
Quintana? No.
Wiggins? No way.
Nibali? No.
Lance? lol no.

Even looking down to the lesser GT riders, a lot of them either win or ride in total obscurity. Like has Jai Hindley been of any help at all really as a helper? Tao? Bernal? No, no, and no.

Once you win a GT, and definitely once you win multiple, you do not go on donkey duty to help someone else win, much less just get third place.

 

[acm]

View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Fgr27vbjO6QNU2veJE7yt


Listen to this podcast before you start saying that Rogla is selfish, a bad teammate etc. Denk said that team wanted him to attack and maybe he could have ended up 3rd in GC.

 

[noob]

I would be so incredibly surprised if he doesn't retire after this season.