Ezequiel Mosquera

[FoxxyBrown1111]

And he pretty much killed himself in the tour with stupid attacks so could have got higher than 20th.

Also Sastre again -
08 tour - won
08 Vuelta - 3rd
09 Giro - 4th/ 2nd

The tour still is getting better riders but i think this thing of ours might be moving like tennis. 20 years ago wimbledon was the be all end all. Now its equal to the others. It doesnt matter which major you win. I think Cuddles deciding this year going for a gt (giro) even if it means sacrificing the tour, shows a step in this direction.

That´s true. I even think the most difficult is the Giro now. Zomegan gets criticised for that. But for what? This years giro was epic. Even Fignon wrote in his book, it´s a shame how "easy" the tour got.

I think Sastre knows, he has no more chance to win a GT. So he tries his breakaways.

 

[The Hitch]

It has nothing to do with being good enough or not. Getting invited to the TdF is no easy feat, and a small team from northwestern Spain is not going to do it for you unless 1) you have connections in France, 2) you grease someone's pockets, 3) you win a few decent, well-known, cycling competitions or 4) your team is from a country which the TdF wants to do business with.

Getting 3th overall at the Vuelta a Burgos is not going to do it. And it's not like Ezequiel's accomplishments are something to write home about.

Now, if he wins this year's Vuelta then... we're talking. If that's the case I can't see the TdF not extending an invitation for 2011 or 2012.

As i said earlier
5 invites

1 Geox
2 Schleck
3 BMC? if not them some other top class team wont be pt. Maybe agr
4 Vacon
5 Radioshack?
6 about 4 french teams

Even if they have a vuelta winner, i dont see them getting an invite.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

As i said earlier
5 invites

1 Geox
2 Schleck
3 BMC? if not them some other top class team wont be pt. Maybe agr
4 Vacon
5 Radioshack?
6 about 4 french teams

Even if they have a vuelta winner, i dont see them getting an invite.

It has nothing to do with being good enough or not. Getting invited to the TdF is no easy feat, and a small team from northwestern Spain is not going to do it for you unless 1) you have connections in France, 2) you grease someone's pockets, 3) you win a few decent, well-known, cycling competitions or 4) your team is from a country which the TdF wants to do business with.

Getting 3th overall at the Vuelta a Burgos is not going to do it. And it's not like Ezequiel's accomplishments are something to write home about.

Now, if he wins this year's Vuelta then... we're talking. If that's the case I can't see the TdF not extending an invitation for 2011 or 2012.

But if he gets signed with moviestar, isn´t he automatically qualified? I tought moviestar is the successor of caisse d epargne ??

 

[Cobblestoned]

No conspiracy here. I had doping in mind from the 1st sentence i wrote to open this thread. So i didn´t want to get it moved later. And Armstrong wasn´t discussed too much here. All things fine ... We´re back at Mosquera and his opponents in the vuelta.

Trotzdem strange this Vorgehen

"Opponents in the Vuelta." That hört sich ja nearly sportlich an und not nach clinicstuff.
Na ja, I must ja not alles understand. We need a mixed-zone.

 

[The Hitch]

But if he gets signed with moviestar, isn´t he automatically qualified? I tought moviestar is the successor of caisse d epargne ??

Yeah if he signs with movistar they will be in, and he can decide to go though they do have good talent there.

THe other option is Vacon. Do they turn down a Ricco Mosquera team. I think they would tbh.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

As for young riders getting results now and taking that as a good sign... Two words: Ullrich, Vandenbroucke.

As always, there's too many variables involved.

Wasn´t it D´Hont who said "in a clean field, Ullrich would have won 10 tours".

I still believe in the talent shows early thing

 

[Cobblestoned]

When you are talking about the devil....

Mosquera to Vacansoleil?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mosquera-to-vacansoleil

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

We need a mixed-zone.

... then we would end up like the eurosport foren. Hell no

 

[hrotha]

Wasn´t it D´Hont who said "in a clean field, Ullrich would have won 10 tours".

I still believe in the talent shows early thing

And maybe in a clean field Sagan would win 10 LBL, 7 FW, 5 GL and 3 RVV. Who knows!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Even with Vacansoleil, they should have a chance. They was even considered for this years tour.

Anyway, even if not the tour. At least he could/should show up at the giro. If he gets a top-10 there, i´ll also be less suspicious.

 

[roundabout]

Regarding Pereiro i don't think he spend as much time in Portugal as Mosquera. Also there was Milaneza-MSS who had invites to some big races (Paris-Nice, Romandie, Vuelta) so good riding on the domestic scene could be rewarded with a chance on the big stage.

 

[Señor_Contador]

And maybe in a clean field Sagan would win 10 LBL, 7 FW, 5 GL and 3 RVV. Who knows!

Yeah, don't forget the 125, 250 and 500cc Moto GP competitions. Along with Formula 1.

 

[The Hitch]

Even with Vacansoleil, they should have a chance. They was even considered for this years tour.

Anyway, even if not the tour. At least he could/should show up at the giro. If he gets a top-10 there, i´ll also be less suspicious.

They were considered for the tour this year because it started in Holland and they delibrately brought 2 good french riders to tempt the organisers. They still didnt get in. Next year it doesnt start in Holland and they wont have their 2 good french riders.

 

[roundabout]

Yeah, don't forget the 125, 250 and 500cc Moto GP competitions. Along with Formula 1.

Cancellara is an overwhelming favorite for *that* kind of racing.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

And maybe in a clean field Sagan would win 10 LBL, 7 FW, 5 GL and 3 RVV. Who knows!

I think all those close to cycling (Merckx, Hinault etc.) said in 1996 Ullrich is the next great thing. Well he was anyway. No suspious out of nothing victories like all the others from the Epo-Era (Armstrong, Rijs, Indurain). He was the only young gun.

Who knows? May Sagan will win 10 times LBL. May he is the next Sean Kelly. He´s only 19 and already a big winner.

 

[The Hitch]

Yeah, don't forget the 125, 250 and 500cc Moto GP competitions. Along with Formula 1.

But no Paris Tours.

 

[Mambo95]

Even with Vacansoleil, they should have a chance. They was even considered for this years tour.

Anyway, even if not the tour. At least he could/should show up at the giro. If he gets a top-10 there, i´ll also be less suspicious.

They'll have a tough time getting into Tour. It's the top 17 teams plus five others.
For those five places they will, as it currently stands, be fighting with the four French teams, Geox and the Schlecks.
Cervelo folding opens up another place, but it's still an uphill battle.
(If the rumours of BBox folding are true then maybe..)

 

[Cobblestoned]

... then we would end up like the eurosport foren. Hell no

No, pleeeeeeease not.
This forum here is hard - but has quality and quality posters. Und that is auch good so.
But you can't deny that here are many similarities to the Ullrichwars.
We Germans have a lead and much experience in this kind of superstarwars.
Anyway, interesting how the Americans handle this.

Gute Nacht. Man sieht sich

 

[The Hitch]

I think all those close to cycling (Merckx, Hinault etc.) said in 1996 Ullrich is the next great thing. Well he was anyway. No suspious out of nothing victories like all the others from the Epo-Era (Armstrong, Rijs, Indurain). He was the only young gun.

Who knows? May Sagan will win 10 times LBL. May he is the next Sean Kelly. He´s only 19 and already a big winner.

Minor point but Sagan is 20. And they say EPO helps big riders more and you dont get many bigger gt riders than Ullrich

 

[luckyboy]

Plus he raced good at the Tour de Frances. A country with the most strict anti doping law.

It would make no sense not to ride the tour. Since the big money is there. There could be only one reason not to ride there but the vuelta again: the french doping law.

This is literally nonsense. Do only clean riders ride the Tour?

 

[roundabout]

No, pleeeeeeease not.
This forum here is hard - but has quality and quality posters. Und that is auch good so.
But you can't deny that here are many similarities to the Ullrichwars.
We Germans have a lead and much experience in this kind of superstarwars.
Anyway, interesting how the Americans handle this.

Gute Nacht. Man sieht sich

Schlaf gut.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

No, pleeeeeeease not.
This forum here is hard - but has quality and quality posters.

Gute Nacht. Man sieht sich

That´s true. The best cyc forum. Not so much nonsense talkers.

Gute Nacht. Ich bleib noch wach

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

This is literally nonsense. Do only clean riders ride the Tour?

No, but you have a good chance to be in the middle of a raid. Or someone is collecting your waste. Not something i´d call dopers heaven

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Minor point but Sagan is 20. And they say EPO helps big riders more and you dont get many bigger gt riders than Ullrich

That´s true. He was 73 kg. But the way he won in 1997 (9 minutes), it´s a great chance he would have won in a clean field. It would be intersesting to know which w/kg he would need nowadays to win a GT, since the field seems cleaner (scienceofsportscom). Especially that it´s said many times that Armstrong was best responding to the new age doping.

But Sagan did start the season at 19 ?! I think he has a great chance to win 10-15 big classics.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Regarding Pereiro i don't think he spend as much time in Portugal as Mosquera. Also there was Milaneza-MSS who had invites to some big races (Paris-Nice, Romandie, Vuelta) so good riding on the domestic scene could be rewarded with a chance on the big stage.

Also, let us bear in mind that Mosquera is a Galician. Galicia is very close to Portugal, and until the creation of Karpin, it had no regional cycling team to speak of. Going to Portugal was more or less going to local teams for Mosquera, more so than going to one of the Spanish teams based in Navarre or Andalucía or Comunidad Valenciana. And if you dig back through his career, and where he's done well, there's not too much to say that it's a huge surprise:

2000 - 3rd, mountain stage of Volta a Portugal (to Gouveia).
2001 - 22nd, Volta a Portugal
2002 - 17th, Volta a Portugal
2003 - 6th, Trofeu Joaquim Agostinho (thanks to a mountain performance, behind Jeker, Valverde and Horrach), 3rd, mountain stage of Volta a Portugal
2004 - 7th, Volta a Portugal, with top 10s in all mountain stages
2005 - 8th Ruta del Sol, 5th Vuelta a Murcía, 15th, Vuelta a La Rioja (with a stage win and a 2nd in mountain stages), 10th, Volta a Catalunya (with 4th in the Arcalis ITT), 10th, Vuelta a Burgos (with a 4th to Lagunas de Neila).
2006 - 7th, Vuelta a Castilla y León stage to Navacerrada, 9th, Giro del Trentino, 8th, Clasico Alcobendas stage to Navacerrada, 9th, Vuelta a Burgos (with a 4th to Lagunas de Neila). Riding for Comunidad Valenciana impeded invites after Puerto, thus fewer race days than 2005 (with Kaiku) impedes development.
2007 - 11th, Vuelta a Comunidad Valenciana, 11th, Vuelta a Castilla y León, 5th, Vuelta a España (9th to Lagos de Covadonga, 9th to Arcalis, 3rd to Cerler, 9th to Abantos - so not mountain performances out of sync with his career to that point).
2008 - 10th, Vuelta a Murcía, 9th, Vuelta a Castilla y León, 9th, Vuelta al País Vasco (with a 2nd in one stage), 1st, Clasica Alcobendas (won stage to Navacerrada), 5th, Vuelta a Burgos, 4th Vuelta a España (2nd to La Rabassa, 11th to Pla de Beret, 7th to Angliru, 3rd to San Isidro, 6th to Navacerrada)
2009 - 6th Vuelta a Murcía, 8th Vuelta a Castilla y León, 4th Vuelta a Burgos (1st to Lagunas de Neila), 5th Vuelta a España (9th to Aitana, 13th to Xorret del Catí, 4th to Velefique, 2nd to Sierra Nevada, 4th to La Pandera, 6th to La Granja)
2010 - 3rd Vuelta a Castilla y León, 4th Vuelta a Asturias, 5th Vuelta a Madrid, 2nd Vuelta a Burgos (2nd to Lagunas de Neila), then this Vuelta.

If you look at it, he didn't really come from nowhere in 2007 - he had solid results in climbs in the major Spanish stage races before then, and had been pretty good in 2005 with Kaiku. He regressed a bit with Comunidad Valenciana in 2006 but they also had problems with invitations late in the season because of Puerto, which may have caused his previous good showings to fall from memory. And as he'd never done GTs before - but had placed well in the Volta a Portugal back when it was 14 stages - then if he had good recovery he was going to be well suited for them. If anything the 2009 calendar was his breakout year, with his placements in mountain stages being the best they'd ever been - but part of this was due to his strength and part of it due to other riders being less willing to attack. If you look at his results in 2010, they include races not previously mentioned or attempted seriously, so it could be that a change in his calendar has prepared him better for the Vuelta.