Fancy Bears hack ADAMS system

[Benotti69]

http://www.astanaproteam.kz/modules.php?name=astana&page=news&id=384

ASTANA PRO TEAM OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON JAKOB FUGLSANG POSITION

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

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http://www.astanaproteam.kz/modules.php?name=astana&page=news&id=384

ASTANA PRO TEAM OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON JAKOB FUGLSANG POSITION

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[AlbineVespuzzio]

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http://www.astanaproteam.kz/modules.php?name=astana&page=news&id=384

ASTANA PRO TEAM OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON JAKOB FUGLSANG POSITION

they say:
the facts leaked are from 2008.
we hired him in 2013.
he doesn't have any health problem.

and now the misstep in logic:
we reiterate our confidence in the rider.
(nothing before is particularly confident about the rider, in fact, it's the other way around)

 

[ciranda]

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Fuglsang not looking great .

His is weird. He is listed as "mountain bike". It has no dates or frequency and is unsigned.

It must have been generated when he was a mountain biker, which would date it around 2008 or earlier.

It would explain how he rose and had 'form' for a few years but then dropped of as Cortisone has a limited window usage.

Nah, he is very consistent; 31, 40, 51, 61, 47, 105, 81, 44 cqrankings. Ranking 105 was the year he crashed out of a pretty much secure TDF gc second place, 81 was last year still with the usual top tens in the harder races.

Is it possible FBs searched top ten/15 in the olympics race or something without finding anything and then manipulated this old TUE? Fuglsang has said also that it is his and it was used for a knee injury in 2008.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

http://www.astanaproteam.kz/modules.php?name=astana&page=news&id=384

ASTANA PRO TEAM OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON JAKOB FUGLSANG POSITION

they say:
the facts leaked are from 2008.
we hired him in 2013.
he doesn't have any health problem.

and now the misstep in logic:
we reiterate our confidence in the rider.
(nothing before is particularly confident about the rider, in fact, it's the other way around)

I dont believe anything from Astana any more than Sky.

 

[thehog]

Fancy about to drop another load...

 

[70kmph]

Barloworld :lol:

 

[Irondan]

Fancy about to drop another load...

I was beginning to think they were done....

I wonder who's next?

 

[Irondan]

Fancy about to drop another load...

I was beginning to think they were done....

I wonder who's next?

It's up!

Fancy Bears part 6

https://fancybear.net/pages/6.html

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

One of the Brownlee brothers is a sick person.

Of course he is.

Diuretics are banned in sports because they can help with weight loss and could be used to speed up the elimination of drugs from the system. They increase the volume of urine produced by promoting the excretion of salts and water from the kidney.

 

[Irondan]

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One of the Brownlee brothers is a sick person.

Of course he is.

Diuretics are banned in sports because they can help with weight loss and could be used to speed up the elimination of drugs from the system. They increase the volume of urine produced by promoting the excretion of salts and water from the kidney.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2031650#p2031650

 

[2008885]

We aren't that far into the FancyHack, but they're already scraping the barrel - Emma J getting pain relief during surgery......

 

[thehog]

We aren't that far into the FancyHack, but they're already scraping the barrel - Emma J getting pain relief during surgery......

Which is making Wiggins look worse and worse.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Re: Re:

http://www.astanaproteam.kz/modules.php?name=astana&page=news&id=384

ASTANA PRO TEAM OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON JAKOB FUGLSANG POSITION

they say:
the facts leaked are from 2008.
we hired him in 2013.
he doesn't have any health problem.

and now the misstep in logic:
we reiterate our confidence in the rider.
(nothing before is particularly confident about the rider, in fact, it's the other way around)

I dont believe anything from Astana any more than Sky.

Beautiful post, B. Thanks for new sig

 

[Irondan]

We aren't that far into the FancyHack, but they're already scraping the barrel - Emma J getting pain relief during surgery......

Which is making Wiggins look worse and worse.

Yep, Wiggo's TUE's are the exception. Not the norm...

There isn't going to be another cyclist that takes the heat off of Wiggins, unless Froome breaks omerta.

 

[arcus]

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One of the Brownlee brothers is a sick person.

Of course he is.

Diuretics are banned in sports because they can help with weight loss and could be used to speed up the elimination of drugs from the system. They increase the volume of urine produced by promoting the excretion of salts and water from the kidney.

Diamox is a legit therapy for altitude sickness, and seems as if he was indeed climbing Kilimanjaro at the time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/10442178/Climbing-Kilimanjaro-was-a-different-kind-of-challenge.html

 

[BullsFan22]

Perhaps a lot of these TUE's are simply used as PED's in disguise? Perhaps some or most of the athletes in question are using them as excuses to dope. What about as something to use as a cover?

 

[thehog]

Perhaps a lot of these TUE's are simply used as PED's in disguise? Perhaps some or most of the athletes in question are using them as excuses to dope. What about as something to use as a cover?

I look at them and most appear to have backdated dates. I think they are AAFs which the athlete is advised to get a TUE to avoid a suspension.

 

[arcus]

Most egregious example is still Bethanie Mattek-Sands.

WADA had to go to CAS to force Tennis to revoke approved TUE for DHEA (an anabolic hormone) diagnosed under most "interesting" circumstances.....

 

[BullsFan22]

Perhaps a lot of these TUE's are simply used as PED's in disguise? Perhaps some or most of the athletes in question are using them as excuses to dope. What about as something to use as a cover?

I look at them and most appear to have backdated dates. I think they are AAFs which the athlete is advised to get a TUE to avoid a suspension.

And I think this is probably going to be the extent of the material that Fancy Bears hack and leak. Like I said before on this topic, they hacked a particular database that will probably only yield TUE's, nothing more. I am still skeptical of TUE's. IMO that system is in all likelihood abused by a lot of athletes. Either Fancy Bears don't have the tools or knowledge to hack some real spicy information (positive tests being covered up, emails from the top guns, etc) and/or the people at the top, along with WADA and respective organizations have a firm grasp of things. OR, and this is a big question mark, Fancy Bears will come to that later, though if they actually realized what TUE's are, they may not even have bothered. On the other hand, they simply wanted to leak this information and have the readers come up with their own conclusions, which is perfect for us here in the clinic.

 

[thehook]

Fancy Bears have accomplished two things.

Exposed Wiggins & SKY as Frauds
Exposed UCI as Corrupt and Complicit

 

[Norks74]

Apologies if this info is earlier in the thread or another one, but, does anyone know the name of the rider from Sky who supposedly was told he couldn't fly on Wiggin's private plane? This incident was mentioned in David Walsh's Telegraph article the other day. Apparently it transpired that the doctor (Freeman?) flew with Wiggin's on said flight.

 

[BullsFan22]

And I think this is probably going to be the extent of the material that Fancy Bears hack and leak. Like I said before on this topic, they hacked a particular database that will probably only yield TUE's, nothing more.

Yes, I believe you are right. The consensus view, from what we have read, overall, is that they have all TUE files of all athletes, and probably don't have anything else. When they gained access to the file directory, they would just grab everything in it. Would not be at all selective at that point. Comprehensive, but probably limited to the TUEs

Either Fancy Bears don't have the tools or knowledge to hack some real spicy information (positive tests being covered up, emails from the top guns, etc) and/or the people at the top...

They have the skills, but they don't have the opportunity. It looks like a one-time breach using a crude method, and now, the server has been secured, as you said.
Most logical explanation would be: it is the work of pro-Kremlin youth group hackers. When I was in Russia in the 1990s I felt like the situation was a wild-frontier, free-for-all, in which the young people still had not decided what they and their nation ought to become. And then, the more-recent time I went, that this undercurrent of right-wing sentiment had solidified.
The Fancy Bears' website is intentionally crudely constructed. That is either for comedy, or to make themselves look less-sophisticated than they actually are. The 'Anonymous' stuff, that part is all a ruse. The hack was unrelated to 'Anonymous', because those hacker kids' political agenda overall is much different. Grandiose, and to pretend that their motive is otherwise

OR, and this is a big question mark, Fancy Bears will come to that later, though if they actually realized what TUE's are, they may not even have bothered. On the other hand, they simply wanted to leak this information and have the readers come up with their own conclusions, which is perfect for us here in the clinic.

The method seems to be - release a few at a time, spread geographically over the nations which they dislike the most - plus some distractions, planted using athletes from more marginal countries. And targeting some of the most-prominent athletes.
They don't know, and don't care, what the drugs in the TUEs are used for. Their idea will be: that anyone on the list is guilty by association, and then, equally-ignorant people will think "doper", whether it makes any sense or not.
Mostly defamatory towards elite athletes who have the misfortune of ending up on the list, since the large majority of the TUE files show no impropriety, just routine prescriptions which were nothing of interest.
This can run on for a very long time, and with the constant element of suspense "Who is going to be next?"

It doesn't matter who leaks the information, what's important is the content. It makes people think. The usual anti-Russian hubris, while popular, doesn't necessarily yield fair and balanced results. The high amount of TUE's alone should make us wonder. The fact that some of these athletes use TUE's one day, and then long after win races, is quite troubling. I am sure the Russians have nicely strung PR machines, but I will not be falling for the anti-Russian sentiment that is currently going around, be it sports or politics. I am not pro-Russia, but I am certainly not going to fall for 'it's Russia's fault,' anytime crud happens anywhere. The Russians were excluded from the Paralympics and the entire T&F team was excluded from Rio, even though quite a few of the athletes never failed tests, never were suspected of taking drugs, AND (what is more important, at least in terms of WADA) they were tested at valid, compliant labs OUTSIDE of Russia. That was part of the criteria for the Russians who wanted to compete in Rio. They were denied the opportunity. Plenty of other athletes that competed in Rio (not least of all a number of Americans) had previously failed tests (some on more than one occasion) and were suspended (again, some more than once).

Why am I saying this? Well, because it ties in to the Fancy Bears leak, which you are against, because you feel it is Russian propaganda (though you didn't say it directly) and it is Russia's way of some payback. Of course, there is an element of 'retribution' here, but we are discussing this in the clinic, why wouldn't we welcome such leaks? I realize that it's private medical information, but this is in the midst of competitive seasons for most, if not all the athletes mentioned. It's not like they were facing serious health issues that their lives depended on the TUE's. If the leaks on TUE's don't show any suspicious activity, why be all up in arms about it? What if Wiggins falls from grace following these leaks? What if team Sky is found to have been manipulating the system (like a lot of us here in the clinic believe and have thought of for the past 4 or 5 years)? What if the British Olympic Committee is found out? If Galen Rupp and Mo Farah's information gets leaked (Rupp's already has, btw), and it shows irregular activity timing of TUE's, as Wiggins did?

People are starting to wake up and ask questions. Questions that weren't there before, at least not in great numbers. Remember when talking about Armstrong was seen as 'bad?' I do. People just laughed it off and looked at me funny when I suggested that there was no way Armstrong was riding clean and beating top guys like Ullrich, Vinokurov, Hamilton, Mayo, Zulle, Pantani, Basso, all who were either suspended, had failed tests, were suspected, named in various reports, etc...

You saw and replied to what I posted on my earlier opinions regarding FB's leaks and what they seem to lack, but no matter their identity or indeed their motives, they are at least confirming our doubts regarding the TUE system, the people at the top who administer the rules and those next to them who interpret the rules all the way down to the athlete that takes advantage of it.

These might not be positive tests that WADA, UCI, IAAF, etc are hiding, but it's another path to transparency. Transparency still lacks in professional sport, and I think if these organizations want the viewers and fans to gain back some trust, they are going to need to be more transparent and not political and secretive.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Apologies if this info is earlier in the thread or another one, but, does anyone know the name of the rider from Sky who supposedly was told he couldn't fly on Wiggin's private plane? This incident was mentioned in David Walsh's Telegraph article the other day. Apparently it transpired that the doctor (Freeman?) flew with Wiggin's on said flight.

Here is the text, which was reproduced on Daily Peloton

One of his fellow British riders told a story about once asking Bradley for a lift back to England in the private plane that Wiggins had chartered. Wiggins refused. The rider’s disappointment was not lessened when he later heard that Freeman travelled on Wiggins’ private jet to the 2013 Giro d’Italia.

Walsh seems to have intentionally avoided naming him. But not hard to narrow down:
- British rider by birth or nationality
- Was with Wiggins, in Europe, in 2012
- That probably means: after the 2012 Tour de France
- Is not a dear friend of Wiggins, because Sir Wiggo refused him, directly, would not allow him to get on the flight
- Probably did not ride for Team Sky in the 2013 Giro d'Italia, but that is a matter of interpretation. Could have heard about the doctor's conveyance while at the 2013 Giro but before meeting Wiggins there

Putting all of those together would leave - not many possibilities, as to the rider's identity.
Supposing that the incident was after the 2012 Tour de France, here are the suspects:

Wiggins (GBR)
Froome (GBR)
Cavendish (GBR)
Porte (AUS)
Rogers (AUS)
Knees (GER)
Suitsou (BLR)
Eisel (AUT)
Boassen Hagen (NOR)

Leaves only Froome and Cavendish.
Of those two, I would choose Cav, for obvious reasons

Or if it was a different 2012 continental European race, then one would have to do some sleuthing on which British riders were with Wiggins at that event.

Volta ao Algarve: n/a
Paris-Nice: Geraint Thomas
Volta a Catalunya: n/a
Tour de Romandie: Chris Froome, Geraint Thomas, Mark Cavendish
Critérium de Dauphiné: Chris Froome
World Championships RR: Jonathan Tiernan-Locke, Ian Stannard, Ben Swift, Steve Cummings, Luke Rowe, Mark Cavendish, Alex Dowsett, Chris Froome

I'd lay you good money it's somebody from that Worlds RR, it's the only racing he did overseas after the Tour in 2012 and the line-up is much less restricted to those within the A-team that had been built around the Wiggins Tour aim. You'd think that one of the non-Sky riders or who was about to leave (JTL, Cummings, Cav, Dowsett) is more likely than those who stayed and continued to work alongside him. Cummings, Cav and Dowsett were all racing at the Giro (none for Sky of course) to have known about the Freeman story. Cummings had already left Sky at that point, JTL only did a couple of races (the Challenge Mallorca) ones alongside Wiggins in 2013 and was essentially recognized as a Sky rider by that point having spent a long time training with them and his move to the team well known at that point, while Dowsett left Sky for arch-rivals Movistar after being palmed off with a second-tier calendar by the team and Cav's history with Wiggins is well-documented.

 

[MatParker117]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/37570246

Might explain some of the discrepancies.