Fancy Bears hack ADAMS system

[BullsFan22]

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https://twitter.com/fancybears?lang=en

https://fancybear.net/pages/us-and-canada-sports-officials-secret-plot-revealed.html

Here you go bullsFan.

Thanks. Hopefully FB's keep these coming. I hope people wake up to this and realize how corrupt WADA (another political organization masquerading as 'fighting for clean sport and fair play') really is. The TUE joke is something else. I can't believe how easy it is for so many athletes to apply and get a TUE is these days. How many of those athletes actually use for actual treatment??

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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https://twitter.com/fancybears?lang=en

https://fancybear.net/pages/us-and-canada-sports-officials-secret-plot-revealed.html

Here you go bullsFan.

Thanks. Hopefully FB's keep these coming. I hope people wake up to this and realize how corrupt WADA (another political organization masquerading as 'fighting for clean sport and fair play') really is. The TUE joke is something else. I can't believe how easy it is for so many athletes to apply and get a TUE is these days. How many of those athletes actually use for actual treatment??

It has been discussed here in the clinic before. You will get the usual handshaking from folks who believe their countrymen have a legitimate reason to have TUE's and how other countries are just dopers. There are people who actually believe only Russia has a wide spread doping problem. WADA is a joke. Travis T is a joke. Just reading those emails makes me want to give him a phone call.

 

[BullsFan22]

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https://twitter.com/fancybears?lang=en

https://fancybear.net/pages/us-and-canada-sports-officials-secret-plot-revealed.html

Here you go bullsFan.

Thanks. Hopefully FB's keep these coming. I hope people wake up to this and realize how corrupt WADA (another political organization masquerading as 'fighting for clean sport and fair play') really is. The TUE joke is something else. I can't believe how easy it is for so many athletes to apply and get a TUE is these days. How many of those athletes actually use for actual treatment??

It has been discussed here in the clinic before. You will get the usual handshaking from folks who believe their countrymen have a legitimate reason to have TUE's and how other countries are just dopers. There are people who actually believe only Russia has a wide spread doping problem. WADA is a joke. Travis T is a joke. Just reading those emails makes me want to give him a phone call.

And apparently now Hajo Seppelt, the bastion of clean sport and fair play, is complaining about the use of TUE's by Russian athletes. This after he lambasted Fancy Bears for exposing the misuse of TUE's by American athletes this year. So which is, Herr Seppelt? We've seen how the TUE system is manipulated by a whole host of athletes, yet he chose to ignore that. Now he is accusing the Russians of misusing the TUE system. The more he blabbers on, the more he will get exposed as well. The guy just seems as slimy as the Russian ministers that he has accused over the past couple years. Geo-Political wars spilling over into sports. What a **** show!

 

[gooner]

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And apparently now Hajo Seppelt, the bastion of clean sport and fair play, is complaining about the use of TUE's by Russian athletes. This after he lambasted Fancy Bears for exposing the misuse of TUE's by American athletes this year. So which is, Herr Seppelt? We've seen how the TUE system is manipulated by a whole host of athletes, yet he chose to ignore that. Now he is accusing the Russians of misusing the TUE system. The more he blabbers on, the more he will get exposed as well. The guy just seems as slimy as the Russian ministers that he has accused over the past couple years. Geo-Political wars spilling over into sports. What a **** show!

He didn't accuse them. He said the reaction to them using TUEs differed from when was disclosed by Fancy Bears. It is indeed very telling and the motives are clear to see.

Look at the reaction in the swimming thread when I posted that Efimova had one for London 2012 and yet nothing from Russia about that. Not even one post here in response to it when it's seen for the most part as evidence of doping on this forum.

If that was a swimmer from elsewhere, then see the contrast in the reaction.

Most of what this lot has disclosed is nonsense and it's nothing to be admired.

 

[sniper]

How is it "telling"?
It's a largely irrelevant piece of information.
What Seppelt said there is like saying we should be discussing Lance Armstrong's use of tramadol.
It's pointless.

Discussing tramadol or TUE abuse is useful only in the context of athletes and countries who claim to be squeeky clean. The use of tramadol and TUE abuse doesn't fit their narrative. Rather, it sheds doubt on their narrative.
But even then it's of relatively limited interest because in the end it only distracts away from the real cheating and doping.

 

[BullsFan22]

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And apparently now Hajo Seppelt, the bastion of clean sport and fair play, is complaining about the use of TUE's by Russian athletes. This after he lambasted Fancy Bears for exposing the misuse of TUE's by American athletes this year. So which is, Herr Seppelt? We've seen how the TUE system is manipulated by a whole host of athletes, yet he chose to ignore that. Now he is accusing the Russians of misusing the TUE system. The more he blabbers on, the more he will get exposed as well. The guy just seems as slimy as the Russian ministers that he has accused over the past couple years. Geo-Political wars spilling over into sports. What a **** show!

He didn't accuse them. He said the reaction to them using TUEs differed from when was disclosed by Fancy Bears. It is indeed very telling and the motives are clear to see.

Look at the reaction in the swimming thread when I posted that Efimova had one for London 2012 and yet nothing from Russia about that. Not even one post here in response to it when it's seen for the most part as evidence of doping on this forum.

If that was a swimmer from elsewhere, then see the contrast in the reaction.

Most of what this lot has disclosed is nonsense and it's nothing to be admired.

Well, if it's very clear to you, there is no need to respond. You and Seppelt can carry on and keep telling us that doping, or in your words 'state sponsored systematic doping,' is only found in Russia and we should zero in on them and completely ignore everything else. Well, that is your choice, you can completely zero in on that. The rest of us will keep posting about doping as a GLOBAL issue and will continue to post links that not only mention Russians, but others well.

Actually what's telling is your concerted effort to, once again, zero in on the Russians while anything that gets posted about Brits, you quickly deny and ask for 'evidence.'

I somewhat understand Seppelt focusing on the Russians, he works for German state television, and they've been as one sided on covering Russian stories (be it sports, politics, culture, etc) as anyone else, so him focusing all his efforts on the Russians isn't shocking (though no less nauseating and predictable), but what's your motive?

 

[BullsFan22]

Giving TUE's to US Olympians is as easy as giving out candy to kids on Halloween night. Michael Phelps, Simone Biles, Draymond Green, Sue Bird...

https://russian.rt.com/sport/article/359121-fancy-bear-olimpioniki-preparaty-doping

Essentially the same method that Sir Wiggins went through.

Look all those banned PED's that Phelps could get his hands on.

 

[BullsFan22]

Giving TUE's to US Olympians is as easy as giving out candy to kids on Halloween night. Michael Phelps, Simone Biles, Draymond Green, Sue Bird...

https://russian.rt.com/sport/article/359121-fancy-bear-olimpioniki-preparaty-doping

Essentially the same method that Sir Wiggins went through.

Look all those banned PED's that Phelps could get his hands on.

Here's the English version:

https://sputniknews.com/sport/201702141050683066-usada-declaration-medication/

 

[Irondan]

There's something missing here though, I can't find this information on the Fancy Bears website....

Do I need to check my glasses or have the documents been released to the Russian government news outlet (RT News) without being posted on they're website or Twitter site?

 

[samhocking]

The main issue with Fancy Bears is they only leaked the final TUE document. The TUE is always going to show an otherwise banned substance and in itself look like a piece of paper to dope legally. Really, to build the full ADAMS and TUE picture on any athlete they needed to also release all of the supporting medical documents stored on ADAMS.

 

[BullsFan22]

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There's something missing here though, I can't find this information on the Fancy Bears website....

Do I need to check my glasses or have the documents been released to the Russian government news outlet (RT News) without being posted on they're website or Twitter site?

Good question. As far as Fancy Bears are concerned, nothing on their website or their twitter feed about the recent leaks.

If you look at RT and Sputnik (another Russian source), they have the date, the drugs, and athlete's names and case numbers in the article.

Flame for putting in an RT and Sputnik link here, but we have to admit, the leaks that the Fancy Bears provided, have been genuine and in the case of Wiggins and team Sky, it's the done a lot of good.

 

[Irondan]

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There's something missing here though, I can't find this information on the Fancy Bears website....

Do I need to check my glasses or have the documents been released to the Russian government news outlet (RT News) without being posted on they're website or Twitter site?

Good question. As far as Fancy Bears are concerned, nothing on their website or their twitter feed about the recent leaks.

If you look at RT and Sputnik (another Russian source), they have the date, the drugs, and athlete's names and case numbers in the article.

Flame for putting in an RT and Sputnik link here, but we have to admit, the leaks that the Fancy Bears provided, have been genuine and in the case of Wiggins and team Sky, it's the done a lot of good.

No doubt Fancy Bears has been legit with all the info they've provided us so far. I find it odd that a couple Russian news outlets are the only agencies with copies of this particular leak.

I think we should dig a little deeper before concluding that the Russian leak is really something that was hacked by the Fancy Bears hacking team.

 

[BullsFan22]

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There's something missing here though, I can't find this information on the Fancy Bears website....

Do I need to check my glasses or have the documents been released to the Russian government news outlet (RT News) without being posted on they're website or Twitter site?

Good question. As far as Fancy Bears are concerned, nothing on their website or their twitter feed about the recent leaks.

If you look at RT and Sputnik (another Russian source), they have the date, the drugs, and athlete's names and case numbers in the article.

Flame for putting in an RT and Sputnik link here, but we have to admit, the leaks that the Fancy Bears provided, have been genuine and in the case of Wiggins and team Sky, it's the done a lot of good.

No doubt Fancy Bears has been legit with all the info they've provided us so far. I find it odd that a couple Russian news outlets are the only agencies with copies of this particular leak.

I think we should dig a little deeper before concluding that the Russian leak is really something that was hacked by the Fancy Bears hacking team.

I think the general consensus is that FB are Russian hackers. Whether or not they work for the government or with the government, I don't know. I don't know who else would have access to these leaks (apart from USADA and the athletes that have the original information about TUE's).

 

[Irondan]

I'm aware that FB are Russian hackers, my concern over believing an RT story that (of course) shows the USA's biggest Olympic stars dirty laundry is that it's not the typical fashion in which FB has operated up till this point. Fancy Bears has released everything to date via their website along with Twitter, which gives them full credit, but this new information has been released through a known Russian government subsidised/controlled news organization as a "leak".

It's not that I don't believe the subject matter, it's that I don't trust the messenger. I've read numerous articles and watched telecasts in the past in utter shock at how anti-American the twist to their stories are.

At the moment I write this, almost 24 hours after I initially saw this story posted it has still not been picked up by the MSM, or anyone else except for the Russians that I've found. To me, that's telling.

 

[Beech Mtn]

The Russians are one of few entities with the motivation to take down the IOC. Lots of MSM outlets make big money off those Olympics broadcasting contracts.

Not saying don't be skeptical of RT, just that there's a lot of impetus globally behind keeping the public from looking behind the curtain at these high dollar sports, none more so than keeping the Olympic "dream" alive. Olympics get a ton of government money, and IOC are very powerful.

 

[BullsFan22]

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I'm aware that FB are Russian hackers, my concern over believing an RT story that (of course) shows the USA's biggest Olympic stars dirty laundry is that it's not the typical fashion in which FB has operated up till this point. Fancy Bears has released everything to date via their website along with Twitter, which gives them full credit, but this new information has been released through a known Russian government subsidised/controlled news organization as a "leak".

It's not that I don't believe the subject matter, it's that I don't trust the messenger. I've read numerous articles and watched telecasts in the past in utter shock at how anti-American the twist to their stories are.

At the moment I write this, almost 24 hours after I initially saw this story posted it has still not been picked up by the MSM, or anyone else except for the Russians that I've found. To me, that's telling.

RT is to the Russian government as the BBC is to Great Britain's government, as ARD is to the German government, as CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and even FOX are to the US government. No mainstream media is going to go all out on its own government and expose them. Has any mainstream US media outlet gone....at all...at the exposed US Olympians named in the leaks? When they were named, they had Travis Tygart and others coming on to quickly defend the 'system' and lambasted the Russians for leaking private information. There was little to no criticism directed towards the athletes or the methods. Now they won't even bother.

 

[BullsFan22]

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The Russians are one of few entities with the motivation to take down the IOC. Lots of MSM outlets make big money off those Olympics broadcasting contracts.

Not saying don't be skeptical of RT, just that there's a lot of impetus globally behind keeping the public from looking behind the curtain at these high dollar sports, none more so than keeping the Olympic "dream" alive. Olympics get a ton of government money, and IOC are very powerful.

Exactly. The US media won't ever touch any top US athletes. Case in point, Peyton Manning last year. What happened with that case?

I don't really think they'll touch folks like Phelps, Williams, Della Donne, Biles, etc.

 

[Irondan]

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I'm aware that FB are Russian hackers, my concern over believing an RT story that (of course) shows the USA's biggest Olympic stars dirty laundry is that it's not the typical fashion in which FB has operated up till this point. Fancy Bears has released everything to date via their website along with Twitter, which gives them full credit, but this new information has been released through a known Russian government subsidised/controlled news organization as a "leak".

It's not that I don't believe the subject matter, it's that I don't trust the messenger. I've read numerous articles and watched telecasts in the past in utter shock at how anti-American the twist to their stories are.

At the moment I write this, almost 24 hours after I initially saw this story posted it has still not been picked up by the MSM, or anyone else except for the Russians that I've found. To me, that's telling.

RT is to the Russian government as the BBC is to Great Britain's government, as ARD is to the German government, as CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and even FOX are to the US government. No mainstream media is going to go all out on its own government and expose them. Has any mainstream US media outlet gone....at all...at the exposed US Olympians named in the leaks? When they were named, they had Travis Tygart and others coming on to quickly defend the 'system' and lambasted the Russians for leaking private information. There was little to no criticism directed towards the athletes or the methods. Now they won't even bother.

RT is most certainly backed, started and funded solely or in part by the Russian Government, which if you took a second to check you would have found that. Instead you gave me an opinion that sounded very condescending to me, by the way. I'm well aware of the way the news works, thanks though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ow-putin-clears-it-up/?utm_term=.db0c0f232ade

https://www.rt.com/usa/rt-government-broadcasting-radio/

I never said the US mainstream media isn't picking up this story, I said the MSM. That's EVERYONE except for the Russian government backed news organisation RT news.

Fancy bears released the documents that they hacked as irrefutable proof about what they claimed, now RT news is "leaking" an anti American story, based on the leak coming from Fancy Bears. Where's the documents to back it up? Why didn't Fancy Bears publish this "leak" themselves? If true, it's a huge story, but there has to be more corroboration than the Russian Governments news proxy publishing a "leaked" a story with no documents to back it up.

 

[BullsFan22]

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I'm aware that FB are Russian hackers, my concern over believing an RT story that (of course) shows the USA's biggest Olympic stars dirty laundry is that it's not the typical fashion in which FB has operated up till this point. Fancy Bears has released everything to date via their website along with Twitter, which gives them full credit, but this new information has been released through a known Russian government subsidised/controlled news organization as a "leak".

It's not that I don't believe the subject matter, it's that I don't trust the messenger. I've read numerous articles and watched telecasts in the past in utter shock at how anti-American the twist to their stories are.

At the moment I write this, almost 24 hours after I initially saw this story posted it has still not been picked up by the MSM, or anyone else except for the Russians that I've found. To me, that's telling.

RT is to the Russian government as the BBC is to Great Britain's government, as ARD is to the German government, as CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and even FOX are to the US government. No mainstream media is going to go all out on its own government and expose them. Has any mainstream US media outlet gone....at all...at the exposed US Olympians named in the leaks? When they were named, they had Travis Tygart and others coming on to quickly defend the 'system' and lambasted the Russians for leaking private information. There was little to no criticism directed towards the athletes or the methods. Now they won't even bother.

RT is most certainly backed, started and funded solely or in part by the Russian Government, which if you took a second to check you would have found that. Instead you gave me an opinion that sounded very condescending to me, by the way. I'm well aware of the way the news works, thanks though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ow-putin-clears-it-up/?utm_term=.db0c0f232ade

https://www.rt.com/usa/rt-government-broadcasting-radio/

I never said the US mainstream media isn't picking up this story, I said the MSM. That's EVERYONE except for the Russian government backed news organisation RT news.

Fancy bears released the documents that they hacked as irrefutable proof about what they claimed, now RT news is "leaking" an anti American story, based on the leak coming from Fancy Bears. Where's the documents to back it up? Why didn't Fancy Bears publish this "leak" themselves? If true, it's a huge story, but there has to be more corroboration than the Russian Governments news proxy publishing a "leaked" a story with no documents to back it up.

Sorry that you thought I wrote a condescending comment. How exactly is it 'anti-American' though? Because they are zeroing in on American athletes? The US media has zeroed in on Russian athletes for the past two or three years. And if anyone says that the Americans are doping, they are all quickly reminded that 'it's not the same thing, because the Russian government dopes its athletes...therefore...not comparable.' What the TUE leaks exposed is the ridiculous ease at which a lot of these top American athletes get their 'legal doping.' Serena Williams is sick, injured, and then all of a sudden wins a tournament, and we find out she's on a dozen meds. If you are sick or injured, why not just stay at home and recover? The doctors are prescribing banned PED's to these athletes and they are reaping the benefits.

If this was an American leaking information about the Russians, most wouldn't question it.

 

[BullsFan22]

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I'm aware that FB are Russian hackers, my concern over believing an RT story that (of course) shows the USA's biggest Olympic stars dirty laundry is that it's not the typical fashion in which FB has operated up till this point. Fancy Bears has released everything to date via their website along with Twitter, which gives them full credit, but this new information has been released through a known Russian government subsidised/controlled news organization as a "leak".

It's not that I don't believe the subject matter, it's that I don't trust the messenger. I've read numerous articles and watched telecasts in the past in utter shock at how anti-American the twist to their stories are.

At the moment I write this, almost 24 hours after I initially saw this story posted it has still not been picked up by the MSM, or anyone else except for the Russians that I've found. To me, that's telling.

RT is to the Russian government as the BBC is to Great Britain's government, as ARD is to the German government, as CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and even FOX are to the US government. No mainstream media is going to go all out on its own government and expose them. Has any mainstream US media outlet gone....at all...at the exposed US Olympians named in the leaks? When they were named, they had Travis Tygart and others coming on to quickly defend the 'system' and lambasted the Russians for leaking private information. There was little to no criticism directed towards the athletes or the methods. Now they won't even bother.

RT is most certainly backed, started and funded solely or in part by the Russian Government, which if you took a second to check you would have found that. Instead you gave me an opinion that sounded very condescending to me, by the way. I'm well aware of the way the news works, thanks though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ow-putin-clears-it-up/?utm_term=.db0c0f232ade

https://www.rt.com/usa/rt-government-broadcasting-radio/

I never said the US mainstream media isn't picking up this story, I said the MSM. That's EVERYONE except for the Russian government backed news organisation RT news.

Fancy bears released the documents that they hacked as irrefutable proof about what they claimed, now RT news is "leaking" an anti American story, based on the leak coming from Fancy Bears. Where's the documents to back it up? Why didn't Fancy Bears publish this "leak" themselves? If true, it's a huge story, but there has to be more corroboration than the Russian Governments news proxy publishing a "leaked" a story with no documents to back it up.

And I didn't question who funds RT. I am well aware of who funds them and what sort of content they have.

 

[djpbaltimore]

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RT is to the Russian government as the BBC is to Great Britain's government, as ARD is to the German government, as CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and even FOX are to the US government. No mainstream media is going to go all out on its own government and expose them. Has any mainstream US media outlet gone....at all...at the exposed US Olympians named in the leaks? When they were named, they had Travis Tygart and others coming on to quickly defend the 'system' and lambasted the Russians for leaking private information. There was little to no criticism directed towards the athletes or the methods. Now they won't even bother.

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http://deadline.com/2016/08/the-inspectors-government-spends-millions-to-fund-cbs-kids-show-1201803819/

 

[glassmoon]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-struggling-over-legality-of-naming-operacion-puerto-athletes/
I guess RM, FCB, Nadal etc. are the reason of WADA hesitation...
Fancy Bears, you know what to do

 

[GuyIncognito]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-struggling-over-legality-of-naming-operacion-puerto-athletes/
I guess RM, FCB, Nadal etc. are the reason of WADA hesitation...
Fancy Bears, you know what to do

WADA already said last season that it was X number of cyclists and Y number of track&field guys. No one else.

 

[yaco]

Why would WADA be struggling to decide what to do with the information - It's private medical information and one in which the Statues of Information have passed - Gotta wonder why we fund WADA.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Sorry that you thought I wrote a condescending comment. How exactly is it 'anti-American' though? Because they are zeroing in on American athletes? The US media has zeroed in on Russian athletes for the past two or three years. And if anyone says that the Americans are doping, they are all quickly reminded that 'it's not the same thing, because the Russian government dopes its athletes...therefore...not comparable.' What the TUE leaks exposed is the ridiculous ease at which a lot of these top American athletes get their 'legal doping.' Serena Williams is sick, injured, and then all of a sudden wins a tournament, and we find out she's on a dozen meds. If you are sick or injured, why not just stay at home and recover? The doctors are prescribing banned PED's to these athletes and they are reaping the benefits.

If this was an American leaking information about the Russians, most wouldn't question it.

I'd go a step further and call it plain denial. We know the USOC used to help athletes never test positive. We know USATF and USAC have a history of never tested athletes positive. Nike has some kind of remarkable rouge's gallery of dopers, repentant dopers. Everywhere you look there's corruption in IOC sport.

Also remember the other thing that didn't get much news, French police have evidence of an IAAF "associate" emailing Russian IAAF officials basically saying "If you don't pay my representatives and then there will be many positive.It seems like Russian officials didn't pay enough.