FIFA World Cup 2010

[theyoungest]

germanies first goal was offside. England scored one that should have counted.
So they are unlucky.

But the irony is after those 2 decisions, the millionares who commentate the england matches started critiscising fifa for earning too much money.

The audacity. incredible

Nope. It was a goal kick, which can never be offside.

 

[The Hitch]

Nope. It was a goal kick, which can never be offside.

really.
Thanks for that.

 

[marinoni]

Because these "controversial" decisions sell a lot of papers. controversy creates cash. Fifa knows this. they are reluctant to change this.

Thanks for the explanation. You know, I'm really trying to "get" football but astonishingly stupid features like not having a goal judge make it really hard. That said, I don't think the no-goal made a real difference. I read in a WC preview that Germany was "rebuilding" this year and not expected to challenge for the win. If this is rebuilding, what will they look like when the scaffolding comes down?

 

[The Hitch]

Thanks for the explanation. You know, I'm really trying to "get" football but astonishingly stupid features like not having a goal judge make it really hard. That said, I don't think the no-goal made a real difference. I read in a WC preview that Germany was "rebuilding" this year and not expected to challenge for the win. If this is rebuilding, what will they look like when the scaffolding comes down?

I think this is as good as they will get.They are overachieving as it is and they just dont have the players to become much better.

 

[zapata]

Why is there no goal judge-one official who stands on the line and only concerns himself with whether a ball is over the line?

I think they tried that in the uefa-cup this season? Didn't watch any of it, but I think so. No reason not to have them, except you have to pay two guys that are superfluous 99% of the time. In the world cup, I'd think it was worth it, it's probably coming.

 

[The Hitch]

I think they tried that in the uefa-cup this season? Didn't watch any of it, but I think so. No reason not to have them, except you have to pay two guys that are superfluous 99% of the time. In the world cup, I'd think it was worth it, it's probably coming.

The 2 extra officials on the goalines was more an attempt to help see what goes on in the penalty area which is where the bulk of controversial decisions take place. To be fair goal line technology in itself wont change much. Mistakes like this happen very rarely and this is the probably the biggest goal line mistake in half a century. Its the penalties, dives, red cards, handballs etc where technology is most needed.

Just a shame the extra officials was a one time thing in the second tier inter euro cup.

 

[luckyboy]

lol, that was awful from England. Don't know how anyone could've expected anything more after how they've already played. Could've been 7 or 8 for Germany.

James has been England's best player by far at this tournament. What might've been if he was in goal against the USA..

Don't even see why they need goal-line technology - you can see more often than not whether the ball has gone in from TV replays. Just stick a TV on the side of the pitch.

In other news: Van der Vaart is injured, and probably can't play tomorrow. Which is actually good news, Van Marwijk will have to start with Elia.

 

[marinoni]

The 2 extra officials on the goalines was more an attempt to help see what goes on in the penalty area which is where the bulk of controversial decisions take place. To be fair goal line technology in itself wont change much. Mistakes like this happen very rarely and this is the probably the biggest goal line mistake in half a century. Its the penalties, dives, red cards, handballs etc where technology is most needed.

Just a shame the extra officials was a one time thing in the second tier inter euro cup.

So if they can help with general calls in the penalty area plus act as goal judges why not have them? I get that 99% of the time a goal judge isnt needed but as we saw today, that's a pretty big 1%. As I said earlier, Germany was the better side but still, that goal would have tied it and you just never know how that could have changed things. Certainly England had them on their heals for a bit there. In most sports, adding more officials means more guys getting in the way, but that isnt an issue here. I just don't get what the downside would be.

 

[marinoni]

One thing I was thinking about after the match- what typically happens in regards to WC interest in the UK or other countries after the home side is out? Does viewership go way down? Do people "adopt" other countries' teams?

 

[icefire]

So if they can help with general calls in the penalty area plus act as goal judges why not have them? I get that 99% of the time a goal judge isnt needed but as we saw today, that's a pretty big 1%. As I said earlier, Germany was the better side but still, that goal would have tied it and you just never know how that could have changed things. Certainly England had them on their heals for a bit there. In most sports, adding more officials means more guys getting in the way, but that isnt an issue here. I just don't get what the downside would be.

There is no need to have 2 extra officials. There is already a 4th ref doing nothing most of the time. Give him a video monitor and set rules for teams having a limited number of calls on video replay as it is done in tennis games on hard surface courts.

But this will take a tournament organiser or a strong lobby of teams with enough balls to do it threatening with a spin-off competition taking huge money away from FIFA's hands.

 

[icefire]

Just another shameful referee decision. Tevez scores in clear off-side.

 

[ak-zaaf]

One thing I was thinking about after the match- what typically happens in regards to WC interest in the UK or other countries after the home side is out? Does viewership go way down? Do people "adopt" other countries' teams?

Over here literally half the country watches when we're still in. After elimination the ratings drop, but are still higher than anything else on TV.
People favor other nations, but don't really start to support them.
In 2002 when we didn't qualify there was a lot of support for South Korea because Hiddink coached them but usually people support mainly for the underdogs and against the countries they don't like.

When we are out after the quarter finals I wouldn't be surprised if most Dutch people would support Germany (if they're still in) even though they are our traditional rivals and they stole our bikes.

 

[ak-zaaf]

 

[hfer07]

this world cup has been so far f*cked up by the referees-but nevertheless the games are getting far more interesting
Argentina vs Germany is a title match played in advance.... it will be a bloodbath

 

[icefire]

This is what a goal referee would have seen

 

[The Hitch]

So if they can help with general calls in the penalty area plus act as goal judges why not have them? I get that 99% of the time a goal judge isnt needed but as we saw today, that's a pretty big 1%. As I said earlier, Germany was the better side but still, that goal would have tied it and you just never know how that could have changed things. Certainly England had them on their heals for a bit there. In most sports, adding more officials means more guys getting in the way, but that isnt an issue here. I just don't get what the downside would be.

i never said there would be a downside to them. I said at the end that its a shame it was only used once in a low tier event

 

[The Hitch]

One thing I was thinking about after the match- what typically happens in regards to WC interest in the UK or other countries after the home side is out? Does viewership go way down? Do people "adopt" other countries' teams?

In england yes big time. because it comes once every 4 years many people will still watch it, but those will be your football fans and not the general population.
An england game will get around 15 million viewers. a non england group stage match about 1 million. the final about 7 million (though if england were in it, it would be much higher)

 

[Galic Ho]

germanies first goal was offside. England scored one that should have counted.
So they are unlucky.

But the irony is after those 2 decisions, the millionares who commentate the england matches started critiscising fifa for earning too much money.

The audacity. incredible

Martin Tyler is a tool of the highest grade imaginable. He is a major douchebag. He defended the decision...."Give the referee the benefit of the doubt." Sorry but the second bounce confirmed that the ball initially landed in the goal. Why? Dynamics and physics. After landind inside the goal, the ball hits the underside of the crossbar and then lands just outside the goal line. It cannot do that, unless the first bounce is inside the goal, because if it never hits the bar twice and both land outside. Physically improbable. The referee/linesman, were paid and bought for.

To all the English fans, I feel for you. You were robbed. Yes Germany were good, but England had their moments and those two wrong decisions allowed Germany to gain a psychological and tactical foothold that enabled them to score a further 2 goals.

Short story, if the officials made the correct decisions, the game would have been wide open. This is how you fix matches. Further evidence to weigh in against FIFA being corrupt. This wouldn't have anything to do with Englands 2018 WC bid head official declaring before the WC that FIFA was corrupt? Nah...FIFA boys don't hold grudges and we know all referees are always correct and infallible in character.

 

[stephens]

Every soccer player knows that to score a goal, one doesn't just have to get it across the line to the satisfaction of tv viewers, but to the satisfaction of the on-field official who may be in a position that makes it hard to see. So put the ****ing ball in the back of the net and remove all doubt, or be prepared to get a close goal taken away now and then. Same goes for offsides: don't count on offsides making up for crap defense (mexico), because sometimes things happen to fast or at angles where you just won't get the call.

 

[hfer07]

I still cannot comprehend WTF happened.....

 

[stephens]

that picture clearly shows the position of the officials - both nowhere near the goal line and in the split instance that the ball hit the ground, it would be very hard for them to judge it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Jeebus, what a stoopid sport, there are only 2 goals in the average game and the officials manage to get one of them wrong. It's like if every other play in basketball ended with a bad foul call. It makes figure skating look cut and dried. These guys run back and forth for over an hour and a half and in the end the game hinges on a call that a 50 year old ref. "didn't see clearly". I'd rather enter a beauty pageant.

 

[The Hitch]

loved the fact that in the mexico argentina match the replay was shown on the big screen, showing the officials how wrong they had been.
No way was that an accident. Someone, possibly an england or ireland fan had just had enough and decided to make a statement themselves.

 

[theyoungest]

Robben will start for the Netherlands this afternoon. Surprisingly, not Elia but Kuyt replaces Van der Vaart on the left wing.

 

[The Hitch]

Robben will start for the Netherlands this afternoon. Surprisingly, not Elia but Kuyt replaces Van der Vaart on the left wing.

Pssh

This match is in the bag for the Netherlands.

should perhaps try to save players for the Brazil/ Chille quater final