FIFA World Cup 2010

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craig1985 said:
At the ridk of incurring isso's wrath, I just can't stand the Portugal team. Over-rated IMO.

While the current Portugal team has looked pretty woeful despite having a bunch of excellent players, to call them overrated is a bit rich (although their #3 FIFA ranking is ridiculous, their Elo rating of #12 is pretty reasonable).

Portugal have a HORRIBLE manager (Carlos Querioz) who has pretty much epic failed every top job he's been appointed to. Failed to qualify Portugal for Euro 92 and World Cup 94 when he managed them the first time. He won jack-shit with Sporting in the mid-90s when they had people like Figo, Paolo Sousa and Stan Valckx (a criminally underrated centre-back in his day). Had a poor year at Real Madrid when he got that chance, although his lack of control over transfer policy does partially absolve him there... And now he has Portgual looking like a 2nd rate nation....

*end of rant about Querioz*

That said Portugal has posted very good results over the last decade. They woz robbed of a chance to have a penalty shootout for the final spot with France in EURO 2000. They were clearly the best team in EURO 2004 and only lost because the Greeks were lucky and content to stink up the joint with digusting football. In 2006 they were in the semis and lost a very competitive game to the French, and in 2008 were looking very good in the group stages, but made the (IMO) big mistake of resting some of the stars in the final group game when they'd already clinched a quarter spot... Always leads to those stars losing their edge and they subsequently lost to Germany in the 1/4ers when they were simply outworked by a sharper German team who did play their important players in the final group game.

Portugal have been a consistently excellent team and were unlucky not to get better results over the last decade. They've always played exciting, great football and have made every big tournament more entertaining. They look mediocre now because *Surprise Surprise* they have have a thoroughly incompetent manager they should've never hired in the first place. I don't expect big things from them in RSA, but if they find a good manager to replace Carlos 'O Idiota' Querioz after the WC I will expect big things from them again. They have a great crop of young players who can definitely be a major force in years to come[/RANT]
 
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craig1985 said:
At the ridk of incurring isso's wrath, I just can't stand the Portugal team. Over-rated IMO.
Tell the Dutchies about it... they beat us in the Third World War ;)
 
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Moondance said:
While the current Portugal team has looked pretty woeful despite having a bunch of excellent players, to call them overrated is a bit rich (although their #3 FIFA ranking is ridiculous, their Elo rating of #12 is pretty reasonable).

Portugal have a HORRIBLE manager (Carlos Querioz) who has pretty much epic failed every top job he's been appointed to. Failed to qualify Portugal for Euro 92 and World Cup 94 when he managed them the first time. He won jack-shit with Sporting in the mid-90s when they had people like Figo, Paolo Sousa and Stan Valckx (a criminally underrated centre-back in his day). Had a poor year at Real Madrid when he got that chance, although his lack of control over transfer policy does partially absolve him there... And now he has Portgual looking like a 2nd rate nation....

*end of rant about Querioz*

That said Portugal has posted very good results over the last decade. They woz robbed of a chance to have a penalty shootout for the final spot with France in EURO 2000. They were clearly the best team in EURO 2004 and only lost because the Greeks were lucky and content to stink up the joint with digusting football. In 2006 they were in the semis and lost a very competitive game to the French, and in 2008 were looking very good in the group stages, but made the (IMO) big mistake of resting some of the stars in the final group game when they'd already clinched a quarter spot... Always leads to those stars losing their edge and they subsequently lost to Germany in the 1/4ers when they were simply outworked by a sharper German team who did play their important players in the final group game.

Portugal have been a consistently excellent team and were unlucky not to get better results over the last decade. They've always played exciting, great football and have made every big tournament more entertaining. They look mediocre now because *Surprise Surprise* they have have a thoroughly incompetent manager they should've never hired in the first place. I don't expect big things from them in RSA, but if they find a good manager to replace Carlos 'O Idiota' Querioz after the WC I will expect big things from them again. They have a great crop of young players who can definitely be a major force in years to come[/RANT]

And that's why I think Portugal are over rated. It's people expecting big things form them and they don't deliver.
 
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Moondance said:
Portugal have a HORRIBLE manager (Carlos Querioz) who has pretty much epic failed every top job he's been appointed to.

Except he hasn't.

Moondance said:
Failed to qualify Portugal for Euro 92 and World Cup 94 when he managed them the first time.

He failed to qualify a team of 21 year olds for a Euro. How many times had Portugal reached the Euro before that? Once.

He thought of the future and threw away the old, to give experience to the youngsters that he had groomed and taken to two consecutive U-20 World Cup wins. He was the architect of the generation that did so well in Euro 96 and Euro 2000. He failed to qualify for World Cup 94 because of the second most blatant display of biased refereeing I've seen in my life, as Portugal completely obliterated Italy in Milan, only to have the referee pull every trick in the book to have Italy go through to the World Cup.

Moondance said:
He won jack-shit with Sporting in the mid-90s when they had people like Figo, Paolo Sousa and Stan Valckx (a criminally underrated centre-back in his day).

And so did every other manager Sporting had, even the great Bobby Robson. The problem was in the board who had no concept of how to manage a club. Players and coaches can't do well with tremendous instability.

Moondance said:
Had a poor year at Real Madrid when he got that chance, although his lack of control over transfer policy does partially absolve him there...

Partially? That club is a mess. Notice that before that fateful moment when Pérez decided to hold a press conference and announce that Queiroz would be leaving, they were in the CL and Spanish Cup, had won the Supercup and were top of the league.

The moment Pérez said that, the team crumbled.

Moondance said:
And now he has Portgual looking like a 2nd rate nation....

Portugal ARE a 2nd rate team. No goalkeeper, no fullback, no striker, no defensive midfielder.

Having arguably the world's best collection of elite center-backs and some decent wingers doesn't win you games by itself. The funny part is that, unlike most countries, it's not the nationals overrating the team. It's most of the rest of the world.

Most people over here are realistic and will consider a quarter-final appearance a roaring success.

Moondance said:
*end of rant about Querioz*

In Alex Ferguson's words "Carlos is the architect of what we've achieved here over the past few years". Queiroz knows what he's doing.

Moondance said:
That said Portugal has posted very good results over the last decade. They woz robbed of a chance to have a penalty shootout for the final spot with France in EURO 2000.

Why robbed? It was a clear handball

Moondance said:
They were clearly the best team in EURO 2004 and only lost because the Greeks were lucky and content to stink up the joint with digusting football. In 2006 they were in the semis and lost a very competitive game to the French, and in 2008 were looking very good in the group stages, but made the (IMO) big mistake of resting some of the stars in the final group game when they'd already clinched a quarter spot... Always leads to those stars losing their edge and they subsequently lost to Germany in the 1/4ers when they were simply outworked by a sharper German team who did play their important players in the final group game.

Portugal have been a consistently excellent team and were unlucky not to get better results over the last decade. They've always played exciting, great football and have made every big tournament more entertaining. They look mediocre now because *Surprise Surprise* they have have a thoroughly incompetent manager they should've never hired in the first place.

If this was 2008, I'd agree. Scolari is by far the most incompetent manager this team's ever had. He did well while he put Mourinho's players out on the field and had them playing as Mourinho taught them. As the years went by, that connection faded and the team's performances were increasingly awful.

Winning the last group game wouldn't have changed much in 2008. The team was playing awful football. The chance was there to win something in 2004 and we blew it. That was it.

Moondance said:
I don't expect big things from them in RSA, but if they find a good manager to replace Carlos 'O Idiota' Querioz after the WC I will expect big things from them again. They have a great crop of young players who can definitely be a major force in years to come[/RANT]

The problem being the same as always. These young players are central defenders, wingers and attacking midfielders. If football was played with 5 men teams and no goalkeeper, Portugal might have the best team in the world. As it stands? Not so much.
 
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I'm rooting for Chile to do well. Nothing grabs my appreciation faster than a coach hell bent on playing attacking football with a back 3 in an unconventional 3-3-1-3 formation like Marcelo Bielsa. The team is young, fast, and skilled - though they may have a problem if Humberto Suazo gets injured as he is their main goal provider. Not sure what expectations Chile has for this tournament, but in another four years when players such as Arturo Vidal, Gary Medel etc are older AND El Loco Bielsa sticks around, Chile may be quiet underdogs to win it all.

I'm dissapointed that Spain didn't bring Marcos Senna along. Yeah, yeah, he had injury issues pretty much most of the season at Villarreal, but I would have taken the chance and brought him along. Two years ago he was a midfield beast as Spain won the Euro, arguably their most important midfielder. Now, they don't have that defensive midfield force and Spain will now be a bit more exposed defensively. Defensively speaking, Spain's fullbacks kind of blow so having an insurance policy in midfield would have helped but now, well, that will leave Puyol and whomever else plays beside him somewhat exposed.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm not sold on Busquest and/or Alonso. Other than that, Aragones is a better coach than Del Bosque - he had the balls to essentially say that that rotting husk of a player Raul does not belong in the team. For that reason alone he is gold in my book. I still think Spain has a good chance of winning it, it's just not as self-evident to me without Senna. I think Navas will do well, now that it appears he has gotten past his separation anxiety, or at least so it seems.
 
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What do other people think of Pedro? I was reading on another forum I visit and one guy was adamant (and tbf he does watch a lot of football) that Pedro was not Barcelona class.
 
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issoisso said:

I agree with you more or less. The problem isn't with the manager. Scolari was much worse.

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anywhu, france really seem to be in shambles.. a lot of players have spoken out against domenech and his decision to bench henry on friday. Some have even taken it out on players like gourcoff who are in domenechs plans for friday

not to mention gallas and his people skills

and if were talking about crappy managers, look no further then domenech (Maradonna is a hack imo too, but that is another story)

will be very interesting to see how france react to all of this.
 
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@Timmy-loves-Rabo

Yes, Domenech is hated by many (I'm not french by the way). I think there have been at least two books written about why Domenech is so detested. Why, one of them is titled Domenech: The secret hisory of an imposter or something to that effect. I think one reason why France managed to do so well last World Cup is because the veterans ran the dressing room and in effect Domenech as well. With them gone and Domenech left to himself, there isn't much there. I wouldn't be surprised if France reprises their Korea/Japan performance - failing to get out of the group stage, though even that may be a stretch as they are in a relatively easy group.

Is it really true that Domenech chooses his players based on astrological signs? I think that may be a reason why Mexes has never factored into Domenech's plans.
 
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@Timmy-loves-Rabo

Yes, Domenech is hated by many (I'm not french by the way). I think there have been at least two books written about why Domenech is so detested. Why, one of them is titled Domenech: The secret hisory of an imposter or something to that effect. I think one reason why France managed to do so well last World Cup is because the veterans ran the dressing room and in effect Domenech as well. With them gone and Domenech left to himself, there isn't much there. I wouldn't be surprised if France reprises their Korea/Japan performance - failing to get out of the group stage, though even that may be a stretch as they are in a relatively easy group.

Is it really true that Domenech chooses his players based on astrological signs? I think that may be a reason why Mexes has never factored into Domenech's plans.

yeah i have heard the astrology thing also. amazing he even has that job still...

I think they could have some real trouble. Tomorrow could be a great game, Uruguay are not to be underestimated.

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great news regarding robben's injury

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10062010/58/world-cup-2010-robben-fit-dutch-opener.html

I agree with van Marwijk that there is no need to risk him at this stage.
But maybe he can come of the bench against japan, and/or with Cameroon.
He should be fine for the deep end of the tournament then......... that's if we make it there :eek: :p
 
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issoisso said:
Except he hasn't.

He failed to qualify a team of 21 year olds for a Euro. How many times had Portugal reached the Euro before that? Once.

He thought of the future and threw away the old, to give experience to the youngsters that he had groomed and taken to two consecutive U-20 World Cup wins. He was the architect of the generation that did so well in Euro 96 and Euro 2000. He failed to qualify for World Cup 94 because of the second most blatant display of biased refereeing I've seen in my life, as Portugal completely obliterated Italy in Milan, only to have the referee pull every trick in the book to have Italy go through to the World Cup.

And so did every other manager Sporting had, even the great Bobby Robson. The problem was in the board who had no concept of how to manage a club. Players and coaches can't do well with tremendous instability.

Partially? That club is a mess. Notice that before that fateful moment when Pérez decided to hold a press conference and announce that Queiroz would be leaving, they were in the CL and Spanish Cup, had won the Supercup and were top of the league.

The moment Pérez said that, the team crumbled.

Portugal ARE a 2nd rate team. No goalkeeper, no fullback, no striker, no defensive midfielder.

Having arguably the world's best collection of elite center-backs and some decent wingers doesn't win you games by itself. The funny part is that, unlike most countries, it's not the nationals overrating the team. It's most of the rest of the world.

Most people over here are realistic and will consider a quarter-final appearance a roaring success.

In Alex Ferguson's words "Carlos is the architect of what we've achieved here over the past few years". Queiroz knows what he's doing.

Why robbed? It was a clear handball

If this was 2008, I'd agree. Scolari is by far the most incompetent manager this team's ever had. He did well while he put Mourinho's players out on the field and had them playing as Mourinho taught them. As the years went by, that connection faded and the team's performances were increasingly awful.

Winning the last group game wouldn't have changed much in 2008. The team was playing awful football. The chance was there to win something in 2004 and we blew it. That was it.

The problem being the same as always. These young players are central defenders, wingers and attacking midfielders. If football was played with 5 men teams and no goalkeeper, Portugal might have the best team in the world. As it stands? Not so much.

Alright... If you're willing to back Carlos Querioz to the hilt you may, fine by me. You probably know more than I do. It's just that the dude has won pretty much nothing with the seniors throughout his career.... And the man you deride as a far worse manager, Scolari, actually has won shit and typically has his teams play attractive football (a plus for me).

As for the Abel Xavier incident: yes, the ball touched his arm. That does not make it an automatic handball and therefore a foul. There are several standards by which you can judge whether a ball touching the arm of a player is punishable. First of all is the arm in a "natural" or "unnatural" position. In Xavier's case his arm was down beside his body, therfore in a 'natural' state. The second is whether the arm was stationary at the time of touch or was "moving towards the ball". After the ball had been kicked by the French player (something in me says it was Wiltord, but I ain't sure) he let his body drop (presumably to try and block the ball with his body if the shot had been low) but the arm remains relatively straight, and he certainly doesn't move it towards the ball. Third major criterion is whether or not there was sufficient reaction time for him to have moved his arm away, even if the arm had been in an acceptable place before... And that is an obvious no, the shot came from about three metres out. Therefore, by the rules of football, Xavier's 'handball' should have been judged as an incidence of unavoidable, incidental contact, and therefore not a foul.... And the situation, 'Golden' goal time, semi-final of a major tourney, three minutes before a penalty shootout would've occurred... No way is that a penalty IMO.

As for the 'Portugal don't really have a balanced squad' thing: With the exception of the two ridonkulously stacked teams of Brazil and Spain pretty much ever other nation (except the really shitty ones) fit that description.... Maybe you could include Argentina into its own seperate category as 'less than Brazil or Spain but better than the rest,' although they too suffer from an inept coach and have only played well against thoroughly untalented teams recently. And leaving Cambiasso at home is obviously an incredibly dumb move. Great player who should be there. But the Germans, Dutch, Italians, French, English (who I guess would all be somewhere in that nebulous cloud of 'if it isn't either Spain or Brazil' then....') all have four or so elite players, a couple of good ones and a few average to mediocre players to field as their starting XI. Portugal don't have it rich, but they ain't poor either when it comes to having a talented squad.
 
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Moondance said:
Alright... If you're willing to back Carlos Querioz to the hilt you may, fine by me. You probably know more than I do. It's just that the dude has won pretty much nothing with the seniors throughout his career.... And the man you deride as a far worse manager, Scolari, actually has won shit and typically has his teams play attractive football (a plus for me).

If Queiroz screws up big time, he deserves to be crucified, as anyone else in the manager's job. But for now, he's got the leg up on Scolari. He's built a team instead of using someone else's.


Moondance said:
As for the Abel Xavier incident: yes, the ball touched his arm. That does not make it an automatic handball and therefore a foul. There are several standards by which you can judge whether a ball touching the arm of a player is punishable. First of all is the arm in a "natural" or "unnatural" position. In Xavier's case his arm was down beside his body, therfore in a 'natural' state. The second is whether the arm was stationary at the time of touch or was "moving towards the ball". After the ball had been kicked by the French player (something in me says it was Wiltord, but I ain't sure) he let his body drop (presumably to try and block the ball with his body if the shot had been low) but the arm remains relatively straight, and he certainly doesn't move it towards the ball. Third major criterion is whether or not there was sufficient reaction time for him to have moved his arm away, even if the arm had been in an acceptable place before... And that is an obvious no, the shot came from about three metres out. Therefore, by the rules of football, Xavier's 'handball' should have been judged as an incidence of unavoidable, incidental contact, and therefore not a foul.... And the situation, 'Golden' goal time, semi-final of a major tourney, three minutes before a penalty shootout would've occurred... No way is that a penalty IMO.

He threw himself backwards, but left his arm in the same place, in the path of the ball. There's something called gravity, and another thing called the tensile strength of your arm. Both make it impossible to do that without actively trying to.

Here, I agree with what every single Portuguese player said at the time: yes, it was a penalty....it just wouldn't have been given if it was against France.

Moondance said:
As for the 'Portugal don't really have a balanced squad' thing: With the exception of the two ridonkulously stacked teams of Brazil and Spain pretty much ever other nation (except the really shitty ones) fit that description.... Maybe you could include Argentina into its own seperate category as 'less than Brazil or Spain but better than the rest,' although they too suffer from an inept coach and have only played well against thoroughly untalented teams recently. And leaving Cambiasso at home is obviously an incredibly dumb move. Great player who should be there. But the Germans, Dutch, Italians, French, English (who I guess would all be somewhere in that nebulous cloud of 'if it isn't either Spain or Brazil' then....') all have four or so elite players, a couple of good ones and a few average to mediocre players to field as their starting XI. Portugal don't have it rich, but they ain't poor either when it comes to having a talented squad.

Of course they're not poor. But they're not a first rate team. Most teams lack players in one, two, three positions. Portugal lacks half the team, including the 3 most important positions in today's game: Goalkeeper, Striker, and the most important position by a country mile....Holding Midfielder.
 
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Well, us aussies are trying to play victims because supposedly the germans are "arrogant". The beat up by the media of the world cup is astonishing as we will not get past the pool stage. It is sickening. We couldn't even beat USA in a practise match. If we can't beat them we have NO chance against Germany. Australian media always try to potray our "soccer stars" as the underdogs and victims!

I almost hope we get beaten to shut the media up as they are acting like we are going to win the whole thing.

Anyway, I will not be getting up early to watch any of the games. I would rather watch a bunch of grannies playing lawn bowls that soccer.

Can Susan or any of the other German poster tell me about the talk of the aussies in the media?
 
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This video shows why I am looking forward to the World Cup. And this video shows what I hope not to see. For someone who rarely gets to see this level of football the latter acts sure ruin a match. Especially when I'm used to watching a sport where the players spit out their teeth, take their stitches, and get back on the ice. So here's to a great World Cup and may we see the beauty of the game and not the poor sportsmanship that is still too prevalent in my humble opinion. And Canada had no hope of qualifying so... go England!
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
Well, us aussies are trying to play victims because supposedly the germans are "arrogant". The beat up by the media of the world cup is astonishing as we will not get past the pool stage. It is sickening. We couldn't even beat USA in a practise match. If we can't beat them we have NO chance against Germany. Australian media always try to potray our "soccer stars" as the underdogs and victims!

I almost hope we get beaten to shut the media up as they are acting like we are going to win the whole thing.

Anyway, I will not be getting up early to watch any of the games. I would rather watch a bunch of grannies playing lawn bowls that soccer.


Can Susan or any of the other German poster tell me about the talk of the aussies in the media?

again i will point out the stupidity of this comment, as i have said earlier, coming from Australia i understand the general perception of cycling.... "boring... lame.. etc etc" so can't understand why you would criticize another sport. you're a tool, who seriously has the intelligent of a 2 year old :) if you don't like the sport, no need to comment.

Anywhu don't read too much into friendlies.

And yeah that is what the media does. They create ideas and fantasies. What do you want them to write; THE AUSSIES SUCK A$S AND WONT WIN A GAME! - get real.

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woot 8 hours to go :p

looking forward to the urguay v france match.

agreed in the hope we get a fair and beautiful world cup.
 
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Timmy-loves-Rabo said:
again i will point out the stupidity of this comment, as i have said earlier, coming from Australia i understand the general perception of cycling.... "boring... lame.. etc etc" so can't understand why you would criticize another sport. you're a tool, who seriously has the intelligent of a 2 year old :) if you don't like the sport, no need to comment. kthk

Anywhu don't read too much into friendlies.

And yeah that is what the media does. They create ideas and fantasies. What do you want them to write; THE AUSSIES SUCK A$S AND WONT WIN A GAME! - get real.

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woot 8 hours to go :p

looking forward to the urguay v france match.

agreed in the hope we get a fair and beautiful world cup.

Hey Timmy how much are the Danes going to beat the Dutch by???
"Throws his bait to the wolves":D
 
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Final prediction:

Group A:
1st: France, 2nd: South Africa (gotta believe in them)

Group B:
1st: Argentina, 2nd: Nigeria

Group C:

1st: England, 2nd: USA

Group D:
1st: Germany, 2nd: Serbia

Group E
1st: Netherlands, 2nd: Cameroon

Group F:

1st: Italy, 2nd: Paraguay

Group G:

1st: Brazil, 2nd: Portugal

Group H:

1st: Spain, 2nd: Chile


2nd Round:

-France beats Nigeria
-England beats Serbia
-Netherlands beats Paraguay
-Brazil beats Chile
-Argentina beats South Africa
-Germany beats USA
-Italy beats Cameroon
-Spain beats Portugal

Quarters:

-England beats France
-Brazil beats Netherlands
-Germany beats Argentina
-Spain beats Cameroon

Semis:

-Brazil beats England
-Spain beats Germany

3rd Place:


-Germany beats England

Final:

-Brazil beats Spain
 
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Moondance said:
Final prediction:


Semis:
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-Brazil beats England
-Spain beats Germany

3rd Place:


-Germany beats England

Final:

-Brazil beats Spain

agree with all apart from the above two which i would call the other way. less than four hours to go....
 
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But according to the North Korea striker Tae-se Jong, they will finish second to Brazil in their group.
 
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Here's my prediction: France is going to suck very hard. Most teams have tactical frailties. France have some incredibly glaring ones that no team that wants to win can have, no matter the quality of their players. Same goes for Cameroon.

Mexico are likely to be very, very good, so that's further woe for France. The fact that Ochoa tends to be godlike these days doesn't help the french.

craig1985 said:
But according to the North Korea striker Tae-se Jong, they will finish second to Brazil in their group.

Did you see that guy against Greece? He was amazing :eek:
 
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Moondance said:
Final prediction:

Group A:
1st: France, 2nd: Uaregay

Group B:
1st: Argentina, 2nd: Greece

Group C:

1st: England, 2nd: USA

Group D:
1st: Germany, 2nd: Ghana

Group E
1st: Netherlands, 2nd: Cameroon

Group F:

1st: Italy, 2nd: Paraguay

Group G:

1st: Brazil, 2nd: Ivory Coast

Group H:

1st: Spain, 2nd: Chile


2nd Round:

-France beats Greece
-England beats Ghana
-Netherlands beat Paraguay
-Brazil beats Chile
-Argentina beats Uruguay
-Germany beats USA
-Italy beats Cameroon
-Ivory Coast beats Spain

Quarters:

-England beats France
-Brazil beats Netherlands
-Argentina does not beat Germany
-Ivory Coast beats Italy

Semis:

-Brazil beats England
-Germany beats Ivory Coast

3rd Place:


-Ivory Coast beats England

Final:

-Germany beats Brazil

Go Germany! :)
 
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Hmm... what country was it where the coach accidentally had signed up one of the... attackers... as a keeper, so now he (the player) is not allowed to play in the field?
 
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issoisso said:
Mexico are likely to be very, very good.

I know friendlies don't say that much, but Mexico looked like 11 guys who really couldn't find each other.
 
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I know friendlies don't say that much, but Mexico looked like 11 guys who really couldn't find each other.

vs NL they fielded their B-team, if you base your opinion on that match.
They beat Italy a week later, but then Italy fielded their B-team.

Not sure what to expect from Mexico, but usually they are pretty good.
 
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RedheadDane said:
Hmm... what country was it where the coach accidentally had signed up one of the... attackers... as a keeper, so now he (the player) is not allowed to play in the field?
Korea I think

SA vs Mexico should be a pearler........should be alot of goalscoring chances.

Cant wait till Monday where we show the German arrogant upstarts a thing or two!