Florian Lipowitz is the new German GC hope discussion thread

[kingjr]

The cycling hype is definitely back in Germany. He's definitely having a strong year and a really great Tour. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he can keep it up until the end, even if his form was planned for the Dauphine.
The pressure will of course increase after that. But he seems to be able to handle it well. For the future, he needs to become a bit more powerful for attacks oder steeper, short hills, then you can look very positively at what he can still achieve.

What do you think he can realistically achieve beyond a podium at the TdF?

 

[Berniece]

What do you think he can realistically achieve beyond a podium at the TdF?

If he’s able to keep this level up for 3 weeks he can win any GT. A bit of luck is needed for TDF, but the other 3 should work.

 

[scribers]

What other 3?

 

[Pantani_lives]

The German media are already labelling him "the new Ullrich". Please don't do that to him. Completely different type of rider, completely different personality.

 

[Faserr]

The German media are already labelling him "the new Ullrich". Please don't do that to him. Completely different type of rider, completely different personality.

Perhaps the Bild but I think ARD aren't hyping him too much. They only fear that Roglic could podium and Lipo not which I don't care about as a german if they archieve it with teamwork.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

The German media are already labelling him "the new Ullrich". Please don't do that to him. Completely different type of rider, completely different personality.

I don't know. It's not that I am specifically looking for it, but I haven't come across this yet. Honestly from my perspective (my personal media consumption/use) there is no hype and not a lot of headlines or special reporting.

 

[SafeBet]

What other 3?

Tour of California about to be brought back and nobody told me?

 

[Links2003]

What do you think he can realistically achieve beyond a podium at the TdF?

If his development continues like this, he can win tours with big mountains. Maybe even a GT. I could imagine that they will try the Giro with him next year and hope that Jonas and Tadey won't be there. But I think Jonas will be there.

He can perform consistently and is able to perform for several days at a time. He also has the will to persevere.
His biggest challenge will be that he is not the typical type of rider who wins a lot at the moment. Tadey and Isaac del Toro, for example. He's not as explosive. That's why he has problems on short ramps and shorter mountains. And that's why he can't easily outsprint other riders - except on long climbs, where he might really be stronger. If he improves there, he can win the tough long races - but not against riders like Tadey at the moment.

 

[Red Rick]

I think with his current level he wins the Giro easily because he destroys stages 16 and 20.

 

[P4rthen0n]

I think with his current level he wins the Giro easily because he destroys stages 16 and 20.

Depends on what opposition is there.
Other than Pog and Vingegaard, there is still Remco, Roglic, Almeida, Ayuso, Del Toro, Carapaz, etc...

But in current form he'd be one of the favourites for sure.

 

[search]

I think he benefits a bit from this being a race which comes down to pure strength basically. He gets dropped early, and just goes as deep as he can for 3rd, every day, again and again. He will rarely have that luxury when fighting for a win.

 

[Red Rick]

Depends on what opposition is there.
Other than Pog and Vingegaard, there is still Remco, Roglic, Almeida, Ayuso, Del Toro, Carapaz, etc...

But in current form he'd be one of the favourites for sure.

I'm talking about versus the guys who were at the Giro.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I think he benefits a bit from this being a race which comes down to pure strength basically. He gets dropped early, and just goes as deep as he can for 3rd, every day, again and again. He will rarely have that luxury when fighting for a win.

He get's dropped early by Pogacar and Vingegaard. But that's mostly it. He get's dropped later than the others, and in the case of his closest opponent in the fight for the white jersey and podium, he attacked him and got a way on two occasion (Hautacam, Ventoux) and dropped him on Superbagneres where the difference he had to Pogi and Vingegaard was the smalest so far in the race. On top of that he seems to be a courageous and rather offensive minded rider. So I don't know if that will help him psychologically if he needs to go for a win, but it's not that he isn't proactive in the fight for his GC. See also the rather mad breakaway he successfully went in at the Dauphiné.

 

[search]

He get's dropped early by Pogacar and Vingegaard. But that's mostly it. He get's dropped later than the others, and in the case of his closest opponent in the fight for the white jersey and podium, he attacked him and got a way on two occasion (Hautacam, Ventoux) and dropped him on Superbagneres where the difference he had to Pogi and Vingegaard was the smalest so far in the race. On top of that he seems to be a courageous and rather offensive minded rider. So I don't know if that will help him psychologically if he needs to go for a win, but it's not that he isn't proactive in the fight for his GC. See also the rather mad breakaway he successfully went in at the Dauphiné.

I agree, but to me it seems like he still lacks a bit of race intelligence, attacks at odd places etc., and it helps him that this doesn't really come into play in this Tour. Between those contenders for 3rd, it's mostly just mano a mano.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

so, it looks like we can get a TdF start in Germany sometime in the near future.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

so, it looks like we can get a TdF start in Germany sometime in the near future.

Really unsure if Lipowitz will have any such impact, even if he was to win the Tour some day. Don't know how it is for a really young generation of possible fans, but for the majority of the population my guess is that cycling is still pretty tainted and believe in the trustworthiness of cycling is pretty low overall.

 

[kingjr]

Really unsure if Lipowitz will have any such impact, even if he was to win the Tour some day. Don't know how it is for a really young generation of possible fans, but for the majority of the population my guess is that cycling is still pretty tainted and believe in the trustworthiness of cycling is pretty low overall.

Even during the peak years in the late 90s, early 2000s, interest among the young generation was pretty low. It will be even lower today, as there is even more stuff competing for young people's interest than back then.

 

[MagliaNera]

Even during the peak years in the late 90s, early 2000s, interest among the young generation was pretty low. It will be even lower today, as there is even more stuff competing for young people's interest than back then.

There was the Netflix show though which - although it seems to have had worse viewership than other sports' (or "sports'") - definitely got some younger people interested in cycling. So it's actually a good moment for German cycling to have a good GC rider entering the scene.

It's also a bit of a chicken-and-egg question as the low interest in cycling is in part due to German public television having gotten rid (IIRC) of their TV rights in stage races except for the Tour (and the Deutschland Tour which was just a glorified Lidl commercial last year) after 2006. If Lipo competes for the win in the Giro or the Vuelta soon, might that bring back their interest at least in the two other GTs?

 

[kingjr]

There was the Netflix show though which - although it seems to have had worse viewership than other sports' (or "sports'") - definitely got some younger people interested in cycling. So it's actually a good moment for German cycling to have a good GC rider entering the scene.

It's also a bit of a chicken-and-egg question as the low interest in cycling is in part due to German public television having gotten rid (IIRC) of their TV rights in stage races except for the Tour (and the Deutschland Tour which was just a glorified Lidl commercial last year) after 2006. If Lipo competes for the win in the Giro or the Vuelta soon, might that bring back their interest at least in the two other GTs?

I can't imagine it, certainly not for live coverage.

 

[xuziqiangnuctech@outlook.]

Pretty good job for Florian on Madeleine, only around 35 seconds behind group 1. He is just so good at pacing and not pushing over limit, just like the feeling in biathlon. If you push too much on chasing during the skiing period, you gonna easily got a 1/5 or 2/5 and lost 90 seconds on the next shooting.

 

[Remy55]

Whatever happens on Loze, this stage confirms that Lipo should be RB leader for next years TdF.

And that includes Roglic and Remco.

 

[xuziqiangnuctech@outlook.]

Look at what he did during that decent, I mean I don't belive he is 68kg as it is said on PCS, but he may have a little bit of advantage based on both his weight and his skill, maybe around 65-66kg.

 

[Berniece]

Whatever happens on Loze, this stage confirms that Lipo should be RB leader for next years TdF.

And that includes Roglic and Remco.

Yeah not going to happen. Co-leader sure, but he won’t get sole leadership

 

[kingjr]

Yeah not going to happen. Co-leader sure, but he won’t get sole leadership

He's getting absolutely ass-*** by his own team today.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

He's getting absolutely ass-*** by his own team today.

His best play was to ride with Roglic on Loze to distance Onley to preserve white & podium for him and 4th for Rog. Instead, he's gone off the front, Onley has come back, and now Rog is in virtual 5th...