Floyd to be charged with fraud

[MarkvW]

There is none.

If Floyd was lying to the Feds then the Feds he lied to would go after him not some guy in another district. This case has been going on for over a year. They have called witnesses who gave $50 to the FFF. There are other possible charges besides Fraud (And Mark clearly knows what they are) but they are silly. Why would the Feds continue to work with Floyd at the same time they are charging him?

It is just another attempt to introduce as much confusion into the discussion as possible by our resident legal expert

The feds might be investigating Floyd while they are USING him in another investigation. Not in the slightest bit possible, Radioman? If you think that is not possible then you are more naive than I think you are!

We may be seeing the undoing of the St. Floyd myth.

 

[thehog]

The feds might be investigating Floyd while they are USING him in another investigation. Not in the slightest bit possible, Radioman? If you think that is not possible then you are more naive than I think you are!
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Mark can you send your firms address?

I want to send you a book as a present after I'd showed you up in your lack of ability to provide any evidence in your wild mud slinging Floyd lying to the Feds claim....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The feds might be investigating Floyd while they are USING him in another investigation. Not in the slightest bit possible, Radioman? If you think that is not possible then you are more naive than I think you are!

We may be seeing the undoing of the St. Floyd myth.

Hi Mark- I know you are trying to change tactics and show that you meant that all along, however your earlier post was quite clear;

Interesting thing in the article is the idea that the feds are "turning on" Floyd. That implies some kind of agreement that the Feds once had with Floyd, that the Feds have now rejected.

If the Feds are turning on Floyd, it would have to be because Floyd breached an agreement with the Feds. Otherwise, the Feds would surely abide the terms of their deal.

Of course, there's the possibility that the Feds never had any deal with Floyd and never turned on him.

I want to know whether or not Floyd breached an immunity deal with the Feds!

 

[MarkvW]

Hi Mark- I know you are trying to change tactics and show that you meant that all along, however your earlier post was quite clear;

Give me more quotes! I want more quotes!

I'm just saying that there is a possibility out there that the Floyd Lovers are unwilling to consider. It does explain why Floyd is being picked on, and it is a LOT better than Race Radio's theory that Lance Armstrong is behind the Floyd investigation.

Come up with a better theory! I'm interested.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Give me more quotes! I want more quotes!

I'm just saying that there is a possibility out there that the Floyd Lovers are unwilling to consider. It does explain why Floyd is being picked on, and it is a LOT better than Race Radio's theory that Lance Armstrong is behind the Floyd investigation.

Come up with a better theory! I'm interested.

There is also the possibility that you will be struck by a meteor before you can reply to this post. In that context your theory is indeed possible.

 

[MarkvW]

There is also the possibility that you will be struck by a meteor before you can reply to this post. In that context your theory is indeed possible.

Sublimated violence? Saint Floyd would not approve.

Floyd's being investigated for a reason. Maybe it is just an ordinary criminal investigation proceeding in the ordinary course. That might be the best theory of all. No Lance, no immunity deal breach, just Floyd Landis and his bad, bad behavior.

Here's another theory: The Feds are leaning towards taking the qui tam and they want to make sure that floyd's victims get full restitution before Floyd gets a dime. That would be truly beautiful.

But IF the feds "turned on Floyd," what caused them to turn? That is the question!

 

[Hugh Januss]

Sublimated violence? Saint Floyd would not approve.

Floyd's being investigated for a reason. Maybe it is just an ordinary criminal investigation proceeding in the ordinary course. That might be the best theory of all. No Lance, no immunity deal breach, just Floyd Landis and his bad, bad behavior.

Here's another theory: The Feds are leaning towards taking the qui tam and they want to make sure that floyd's victims get full restitution before Floyd gets a dime. That would be truly beautiful.

Seems like the feds might have a better target in going after the large percentage of panhandlers who rake in 20-30K a year while holding up signs proclaiming that they are homeless destitute war vets. Why are you not concerned about their "victims"?

 

[MarkvW]

Seems like the feds might have a better target in going after the large percentage of panhandlers who rake in 20-30K a year while holding up signs proclaiming that they are homeless destitute war vets. Why are you not concerned about their "victims"?

"There's a Floyd Landis fan born every minute." P.T. Barnum

 

[Not Riding Enough]

Well hogster, unless your Floyd-Love has blinded you, must admit it is at least possible that Floyd withheld material information from the Feds. It is at least POSSIBLE, surely. It would explain why the feds are looking at him for a possible federal felony!

Maybe Floyd is not as saintly as you, Digger, and Maserati think! It is possible, isn't it? Maybe Floyd is still keeping some secrets . . .

MarkvW, do you admit it is possible that FL was telling the whole truth as he sees it in the Kimmage interview (as we don't know what FL told or didn't tell to the Feds)?

Same question or the reverse goes to all the other main protagonists here depending on their stated views (some of which have answered).

Surely most reasonable people would think there is a possibility that FL didn't tell the whole truth, just as they would think there is a possibility that he might be. Obviously people will hold very different views on the probability of each option. There are are only very few people in the world who do know 100% and I doubt they would post it here.

Not admitting the specific testosterone usage that day does seem odd given everything else. It could be he is trying to legally protect himself, which would make sense but it could also be he really does believe it.

Either way I'm glad he has said what he has and it would seem rough if he got charged when others don't.

 

[MarkvW]

MarkvW, do you admit it is possible that FL was telling the whole truth as he sees it in the Kimmage interview (as we don't know what FL told or didn't tell to the Feds)?

Same question or the reverse goes to all the other main protagonists here depending on their stated views (some of which have answered).

Surely most reasonable people would think there is a possibility that FL didn't tell the whole truth, just as they would think there is a possibility that he might be. Obviously people will hold very different views on the probability of each option. There are are only very few people in the world who do know 100% and I doubt they would post it here.

Not admitting the specific testosterone usage that day does seem odd given everything else. It could be he is trying to legally protect himself, which would make sense but it could also be he really does believe it.

Either way I'm glad he has said what he has and it would seem rough if he got charged when others don't.

I think I'd have to admit that it is possible that Floyd was telling the whole truth as he saw it. I even can't say Floyd lied about the testosterone beyond a reasonable doubt (based on what I now know). But I am extremely comfortable saying that Floyd probably lied about the testosterone.

If Floyd gets charged, we'll probably learn a lot more. That would be interesting.

And it does suck that Lance didn't get charged.

 

[Race Radio]

The feds might be investigating Floyd while they are USING him in another investigation. Not in the slightest bit possible, Radioman? If you think that is not possible then you are more naive than I think you are!

We may be seeing the undoing of the St. Floyd myth.

Of course that is not what I wrote, but please do not let that get in the way of your obfuscation campaign.

What will the talking points be for the USADA campaign?

 

[MarkvW]

Of course that is not what I wrote, but please do not let that get in the way of your obfuscation campaign.

What will the talking points be for the USADA campaign?

Yes! The Conspiracy! The Talking Points! The Fanboys! The Agenda!

Race Radio, know what? All of your slurs would make really great names for pop music bands!

 

[patricknd]

MarkvW, do you admit it is possible that FL was telling the whole truth as he sees it in the Kimmage interview (as we don't know what FL told or didn't tell to the Feds)?

Same question or the reverse goes to all the other main protagonists here depending on their stated views (some of which have answered).

Surely most reasonable people would think there is a possibility that FL didn't tell the whole truth, just as they would think there is a possibility that he might be. Obviously people will hold very different views on the probability of each option. There are are only very few people in the world who do know 100% and I doubt they would post it here.

Not admitting the specific testosterone usage that day does seem odd given everything else. It could be he is trying to legally protect himself, which would make sense but it could also be he really does believe it.

Either way I'm glad he has said what he has and it would seem rough if he got charged when others don't.

i think that's the problem, some think maybe he needs glasses

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

I thought the nonsense about Floyd being charged was just another favour to Lance? Some sort of special deal for an extra bribe?

I mean, getting the whistle blower investigated right after being let off yourself is obvious timing, right?

 

[BotanyBay]

I think its about as possible as BB explanation for Floyd's testosterone positive: (this was prior to him saying that Floyd is lying about taking testosterone - you know before the story changed again and again and again).

"Ever consider this?... Floyd was such a past abuser of testosterone that his body quite possibly quit producing it naturally, forcing him to use daily "maintenance" doses just to be "normal" (chemically). But perhaps his body kicked back a little "spike" that day, causing the testers to zoom-in and have a look at what his body's testoserone was actually MADE OF. remember, in the rationalizing mind of a doper, that "maintenance dose" would not be considered "doping" in his mind. He probably thought he was at baseline levels, so he was "OK" as far as cheating.

Floyd's ****ed that he got caught cheating for the drug he never expected to get caught cheating with."

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=16921&page=72

If he is taking synthetic testosterone to get back to baseline levels due to past abuse (one possible scenario), that's still cheating. And that's still lying. If the testosterone was synthetic (which it was), he was cheating and lying. Even if his T-use did not produce enhanced recovery or performance.

 

[Dr_Lexus]

If he is taking synthetic testosterone to get back to baseline levels due to past abuse (one possible scenario), that's still cheating. And that's still lying. If the testosterone was synthetic (which it was), he was cheating and lying. Even if his T-use did not produce enhanced recovery or performance.

Long time lurker on these forums.

Don't know too much about Floyd Landis. His religious background always interested me though.
I know that redemption is important to the Amish and that is why I think Floyd is telling the truth.

Floyd knows that risking the wrath of God is a dangerous thing to do.

Just my thoughts though.

 

[BotanyBay]

Long time lurker on these forums.

Don't know too much about Floyd Landis. His religious background always interested me though.
I know that redemption is important to the Amish and that is why I think Floyd is telling the truth.

Floyd knows that risking the wrath of God is a dangerous thing to do.

Just my thoughts though.

I think so too. But I think he's been hanging-on to that one crucial lie about the testosterone, as he has probably been advised that THAT lie is one capable of putting him in prison. And as we can see, he's clearly at risk for just that.

 

[Dr_Lexus]

I think so too. But I think he's been hanging-on to that one crucial lie about the testosterone, as he has probably been advised that THAT lie is one capable of putting him in prison. And as we can see, he's clearly at risk for just that.

I don't think so. I think anyone who has as strong a faith as him would come completely clean, if they came clean.

I believe in God and would never not come completely clean as i am afraid of God's wrath. I too was raised Amish for the first 8 years of my life. Redemption is such a huge part of the Amish way of life. It makes no sense to me that he would lie. I really hope he isn't lying though. I know very little about him but I see him in interviews and just know that this guy is now at one with god. Before you could see that he was running from God. I am glad for him.

 

[BotanyBay]

I don't think so. I think anyone who has as strong a faith as him would come completely clean, if they came clean.

I believe in God and would never not come completely clean as i am afraid of God's wrath. I too was raised Amish for the first 8 years of my life. Redemption is such a huge part of the Amish way of life. It makes no sense to me that he would lie. I really hope he isn't lying though. I know very little about him but I see him in interviews and just know that this guy is now at one with god. Before you could see that he was running from God. I am glad for him.

I've never heard/read Floyd talk about his current level of faith, only his background and cloistered upbringing. He's not Amish. He's Mennonite. And Amish, Mennonite, Catholics & Jews are all equally human. No faith has a specific additional capacity for lying. Nor do any have a specific exemption from it.

He's never talked about the soul-cleansing aspect of this experience. And it seems that much of what he has revealed (IE, the leaked emails) was done with a flavor of vengeance, not just setting the record straight.

 

[Dr_Lexus]

I've never heard/read Floyd talk about his current level of faith, only his background and cloistered upbringing. He's not Amish. He's Mennonite. And Amish, Mennonite, Catholics & Jews are all equally human. No faith has a specific additional capacity for lying. Nor do any have a specific exemption from it.

God the word cloistered is offensive to me and my background. I am sure you didn't mean it though.

I know us Amish place a huge emphasis on redemption. I just know, having been touched by God myself, that Floyd is now at one with him.

And you are right, all of us are equally human, that's a good point and one all of us should remember.

 

[Dr_Lexus]

I'm new here and was just wondering why even if a person were guilty they shouldn't be allowed to defend themself. If a person denies a crime and is convicted are they then charged with perjury as well?

 

[BotanyBay]

I'm new here and was just wondering why even if a person were guilty they shouldn't be allowed to defend themself. If a person denies a crime and is convicted are they then charged with perjury as well?

Curious timing for you. And you chose THIS thread to launch your persona?

 

[Dr_Lexus]

Curious timing for you. And you chose THIS thread to launch your persona?

That really didn't address my query in any way. But thanks for pointing out the obvious. That seems to be your strength.

 

[MarkvW]

I'm new here and was just wondering why even if a person were guilty they shouldn't be allowed to defend themself. If a person denies a crime and is convicted are they then charged with perjury as well?

No defendant can be compelled to be a witness against himself. If the defendant chooses to be a witness, then he has the same perjury risk as any other witness.

 

[BotanyBay]

I'm new here and was just wondering why even if a person were guilty they shouldn't be allowed to defend themself. If a person denies a crime and is convicted are they then charged with perjury as well?

If a subject / defendant testifies (either in a grand jury room or during a trial) and he committs perjury, then of course he can be charged with perjury. This is partially why so few defendants actually testify at their own trials.