Floyd to be charged with fraud

[Digger]

Read the Bonnie Ford article again. Floyd said that his 'father in law' wouldn't be dead except for the whole doping/lying thing. You are defending Floyd on points where Floyd isn't even defending himself!

You are arguing that death and divorce are vile topics--but defrauding people of hundreds of thousands of dollars is also a vile topic, no? And when divorce and death are the aftermath of fraud ... should that be ignored? Floyd went down an awful road when he started cheating and lying and taking money under false pretenses. He's no brave hero. He's no monster. Nobody here hates him (although he is a jerk).

Floyd has a debt to pay, that's all.

Be sure to get that in there!!!

No fraud was committed. Money was used to do what he said it would.

What gives you or anyone else the right to use Floyd's father in law's death in their argument? You don't know the history or the context. You take Floyd's words as gospel when it suits, other times you don't believe a word. You can't have it each way.
You have no right to mention this stuff. It is disgusting and merely serves to remind of the state of mind of some really bad people on here.
And who here, even the likes of Botany, who needs help, says that this death was the result of fraud? Is that another assumption on your part, our respected accountant/lawyer?
I am glad you decided to not follow through on your post below though. Your hopping from one view to the next is funny. Although the use of such personal details as aforementioned is horrible and sick.

The Lance Armstrong investigation brought me to this forum and now it is over.

My time here has enabled me to learn a lot about a very small subculture of people who gather to spend a lot of their time and energy discussing all the negative aspects of Lance Armstrong. I've spent a lot of time (way too much) with you all. Thank you all very much for sharing with me.

I'm going to try to put Lance Armstrong way in the back of some mental closet, forever I hope. Any publicity is good for him, and I don't think I want to contribute any more.

For those of you that remain, I sincerely hope that something useful comes out of your time spent participating here.

Goodbye!
Mark

 

[thehog]

You are losing it. You call another poster "sick in the head," just so you can advance your argument. He never made fun of someone's death. You are making stuff up AGAIN. Why not stop the personal attacks?

Rich coming from you or should I say poor

Only yesterday you were mocking Landis for having his home repossessed citing the links to its sale data

Considering the times we live in and the number of repossessions in this country I find that somewhat vile also.

Now you’re trying to split hairs on what constitutes “vile” is trivializing what was written originally from BB.

But I know you have an agenda so don’t let that get the way of your mission.

Proceed!

 

[Benotti69]

Although the use of such personal details as aforementioned is horrible and sick.

i dont think you can mention this or post it enough in relation to MvWs trolling.

 

[Digger]

i dont think you can mention this or post it enough in relation to MvWs trolling.

Mark has an obsession with Floyd which is actually scary. He was meant to quit posting on here two months ago. But the vast majority of his posts since then have been about Floyd. Last night he even knew about Floyd's cabin going up for sale.

 

[MarkvW]

Rich coming from you or should I say poor

Only yesterday you were mocking Landis for having his home repossessed citing the links to its sale data

Considering the times we live in and the number of repossessions in this country I find that somewhat vile also.

Now you’re trying to split hairs on what constitutes “vile” is trivializing what was written originally from BB.

But I know you have an agenda so don’t let that get the way of your mission.

Proceed!

It was strictly factual. I got the facts from Zillow. Relates to the point that Floyd, if charged, is not likely to go to trial. The post actually undercut my argument that Floyd was poor. Digger corrected me when he noted that the house had been foreclosed upon. Now we are back to a poor Floyd.

But mocking Floyd is real fun! He's a mocker himself. Deserves mocking! Ask Chade O. Grey! Mocking all of Lance's willing helpers is fun!

 

[MarkvW]

Mark has an obsession with Floyd which is actually scary. He was meant to quit posting on here two months ago. But the vast majority of his posts since then have been about Floyd. Last night he even knew about Floyd's cabin going up for sale.

Zillow.com is really cool.

 

[BotanyBay]

What I don't get is how Botany can't see how messed up his views are. Does he not realise how serious death and divorce are, in a broader sense?
I would never dream of using those vile topics, which are both personal and sensitive, in order to make a silly point on the internet.
Using Floyd's father in law really was the lowest of the low.

Funny, I though your primary issue was my blanket characterization of Landis not throwing enough people under the bus, when in fact, he'd thrown quite a few. But now you're glamming-on to TheHog's issue with my mentioning of suicide and divorce. Try to keep your multiple personalities in-check, ok? Remember to keep TheHog logged in under IE and Digger logged-in with Firefox. Makes it easier to manage.

I don't think Landis' divorce is funny. Perhaps I've taken a jab (or three) that mentions it (although I can't remember doing it that way--- perhaps you'll go digging and find some references). I have never made FUN of his father-in-law's suicide. I've merely made mention of the fact that this is part of the crap that Landis' choices have factored into.

But ask Floyd himself about cruelty. Instead of respecting Greg Lemond's personal privacy about having been molested as a child (something Greg shared with him in confidence), he chose to intimidate Greg by threatening to make use of that information in public. Oh wait, I'm sorry, that was just Floyd's rogue friend that did that, not Floyd.

Hey Floyd, how'd your rogue friend get Greg Lemond's personal phone number on his cell phone while you were still back at the bar?

 

[BotanyBay]

It was strictly factual. I got the facts from Zillow. Relates to the point that Floyd, if charged, is not likely to go to trial. The post actually undercut my argument that Floyd was poor. Digger corrected me when he noted that the house had been foreclosed upon. Now we are back to a poor Floyd.

But mocking Floyd is real fun! He's a mocker himself. Deserves mocking! Ask Chade O. Grey! Mocking all of Lance's willing helpers is fun!

Not aimed at you, MarkvW.

Apparently I hit a nerve with that image I posted of a (what I think was) a random cabin up in Idyllwild (was it Floyd's? I dunno). I posted it as a joke aimed at the San Diego US Atty, as Floyd doesn't really have anything left to come after, other than a little cabin in the woods (I think the case is pointless and dumb). I personally spend a lot of time in Idyllwild, so I know what the houses look like.

I wasn't even mocking Floyd on that one. I was mocking the idea that Floyd had anything left to give in regards to his situation. He oh-so thoroughly destroyed his life. What else can they take from him? His freedom, I guess. And perhaps Armstrong himself did have something to do with sticking-it to Floyd. That would suck, but if Floyd does indeed go to jail, it will still be of Floyd's own doing.

And yes, it is a cruel injustice that Floyd faces this situation while Armstrong sips cocoa in Aspen.

 

[BotanyBay]

Rich coming from you or should I say poor

Only yesterday you were mocking Landis for having his home repossessed citing the links to its sale data

Considering the times we live in and the number of repossessions in this country I find that somewhat vile also.

Now you’re trying to split hairs on what constitutes “vile” is trivializing what was written originally from BB.

But I know you have an agenda so don’t let that get the way of your mission.

Proceed!

Just line-item what exactly makes me "vile". Please provide the examples. I'm ready. I can hack it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Funny, I though your primary issue was my blanket characterization of Landis not throwing enough people under the bus, when in fact, he'd thrown quite a few. But now you're glamming-on to TheHog's issue with my mentioning of suicide and divorce. Try to keep your multiple personalities in-check, ok? Remember to keep TheHog logged in under IE and Digger logged-in with Firefox. Makes it easier to manage.

I don't think Landis' divorce is funny. Perhaps I've taken a jab (or three) that mentions it (although I can't remember doing it that way--- perhaps you'll go digging and find some references). I have never made FUN of his father-in-law's suicide. I've merely made mention of the fact that this is part of the crap that Landis' choices have factored into.


But ask Floyd himself about cruelty. Instead of respecting Greg Lemond's personal privacy about having been molested as a child (something Greg shared with him in confidence), he chose to intimidate Greg by threatening to make use of that information in public. Oh wait, I'm sorry, that was just Floyd's rogue friend that did that, not Floyd.

Hey Floyd, how'd your rogue friend get Greg Lemond's personal phone number on his cell phone while you were still back at the bar?

I personally have no problem you bringing in what happened his Father in law or family in to the discussion - they were unfortunately part of the story and were the real issues in his fall. (but taking satisfaction in it does little for your position.)

Your main point is that Floyd has not been fully truthful - when that was shown to be incorrect you changed to a more moral position about not having taken responsibility for the doping which is what caused all these things to other people.

But it was not the doping - his wife and father in law knew about the doping.
It was the lie - and the need to keep lying that caused the ruin.

You mentioned LeMond - he was able to accept Floyds apology:

"I did have a conversation with Floyd and he did apologize for his treatment of me before and after the 2007 hearings," LeMond said.

"I accepted his apology, but that isn't really what's important. Sincere apologies are for those that make them, not for those to whom they are made. I hope that as a result Floyd can begin rebuilding his life.

"I also accepted his apology because his treatment of me challenged me to further confront my own issues and the pain that they were causing me. That challenge has made me a better, healthier, stronger person today than I might have otherwise been. Certainly, my 1 in 6 Foundation has been an outgrowth of that situation and has helped and will continue to help many survivors. For that I'm grateful."

LeMond is a founding board member of the 1 in 6 Foundation, which supports men who experienced childhood sexual abuse.

"More people should apologize, and more people should accept apologies when sincerely made," LeMond said.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Be sure to get that in there!!!

No fraud was committed. Money was used to do what he said it would.
What gives you or anyone else the right to use Floyd's father in law's death in their argument? You don't know the history or the context. You take Floyd's words as gospel when it suits, other times you don't believe a word. You can't have it each way.
You have no right to mention this stuff. It is disgusting and merely serves to remind of the state of mind of some really bad people on here.
And who here, even the likes of Botany, who needs help, says that this death was the result of fraud? Is that another assumption on your part, our respected accountant/lawyer?
I am glad you decided to not follow through on your post below though. Your hopping from one view to the next is funny. Although the use of such personal details as aforementioned is horrible and sick.

How can you say that the FFF money was used for the defense purpose without a doubt? The only way to know this is you are Floyd or someone who has an actual dog in this hunt?

I never read where BotanyBay was making fun of either divorce or suicide. What I read is that the stories that Floyd told had destroyed not only himself but those around him. This is an opinion of BotanyBay’s and since when does that equal what you and thehog have put on him.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I personally have no problem you bringing in what happened his Father in law or family in to the discussion - they were unfortunately part of the story and were the real issues in his fall. (but taking satisfaction in it does little for your position.)

Your main point is that Floyd has not been fully truthful - when that was shown to be incorrect you changed to a more moral position about not having taken responsibility for the doping which is what caused all these things to other people.

But it was not the doping - his wife and father in law knew about the doping.
It was the lie - and the need to keep lying that caused the ruin.

You mentioned LeMond - he was able to accept Floyds apology:

If for some reason the Fed’s are trying to build a case with the FFF and then for some far fetched reason they get him on extortion or intimidation of a witness etc. then this good be horrible news for Floyd. I am not say this as facts just bringing up a scenario.

You are going to have to come to grips with the fact that this is not high school any longer. Just because someone offers an apology and the other party accepts the apology does not mean all is good with the world.

I do see that the “Floyd is Poor” / “Floyd is not Poor” arguments are creeping there way back into the fray. I am really looking forward to the “is Floyd a liar” / “or was Floyd a liar” argument to come back.

If Floyd has not told the truth about the Testosterone from 2006 then he IS a current liar. It is difficult in my opinion to believe that with all the admissions the only one instance he was not cheating was with the Testosterone @ TDF 2006---I think some other folks brought that up way back when that Fish Hack Kimmage was posting his 7 hour interview.

 

[thehog]

Just line-item what exactly makes me "vile". Please provide the examples. I'm ready. I can hack it.

If you can’t recognise the statements you made in naming children, mocking his divorce and mentioning the suicide whilst stating in parenthesis (there I said it!) knowing that it wasn’t off base then you have bigger problems than I originally thought.

Sure hate Landis for what he’s done. Hate the guy no problem. But the message you’re conveying is he’s a bad dude for the things his done but you have no problems in using his divorce and loss of his best friend as fodder to show off on the internet. What sort of person does this make you? It doesn’t get your point across in the slightest. Just shows you’re an Internet thug and will stoop to any level.

You deride Floyd for his actions but you’re using fairly similar ones to what you’re describing!

Keep it up. It’s the Internet. Have fun with someone’s else life and make jokes about it. But if you need to mention kids and suicide to get your point across then maybe you didn’t have a point in the first place. Think it about it.

My position remains the same; you’re posts are nothing short of vile and distasteful.

 

[BotanyBay]

I personally have no problem you bringing in what happened his Father in law or family in to the discussion - they were unfortunately part of the story and were the real issues in his fall. (but taking satisfaction in it does little for your position.)

I take no actual pleasure in this. I'll admit to some past "insensitivity" in regards to his situation, but when it was Armstrong that was getting the brunt of my blows, you, Digger and TheHog seemed all too willing to go along with the gags. But now, I've gone contrary to you, so you declare war on my past insensitivity, just to suit your needs in winning the hearts and mind sof the other readers on this thread. And I don't think it's going the way you thought it would.

Your main point is that Floyd has not been fully truthful - when that was shown to be incorrect you changed to a more moral position about not having taken responsibility for the doping which is what caused all these things to other people.

You've never shown my point to be incorrect. And Floyd's word is no longer credible. The unfortunate side of these kinds of things is that future credibility is almost forever lost.

You mentioned LeMond - he was able to accept Floyds apology:

Accepting an apology doesn't mean all is good. It doesn't mean they're "square" again. It means that Lemond has heard his apology and said "OK, thanks". The transmission that Landis owed him has been received and acknowledged. Do not confuse the acceptance of an apology with it being considered water under the bridge

 

[Digger]

Funny, I though your primary issue was my blanket characterization of Landis not throwing enough people under the bus, when in fact, he'd thrown quite a few. But now you're glamming-on to TheHog's issue with my mentioning of suicide and divorce. Try to keep your multiple personalities in-check, ok? Remember to keep TheHog logged in under IE and Digger logged-in with Firefox. Makes it easier to manage.

I don't think Landis' divorce is funny. Perhaps I've taken a jab (or three) that mentions it (although I can't remember doing it that way--- perhaps you'll go digging and find some references). I have never made FUN of his father-in-law's suicide. I've merely made mention of the fact that this is part of the crap that Landis' choices have factored into.But ask Floyd himself about cruelty. Instead of respecting Greg Lemond's personal privacy about having been molested as a child (something Greg shared with him in confidence), he chose to intimidate Greg by threatening to make use of that information in public. Oh wait, I'm sorry, that was just Floyd's rogue friend that did that, not Floyd.

Hey Floyd, how'd your rogue friend get Greg Lemond's personal phone number on his cell phone while you were still back at the bar?

This is more of your nasty characterisation of Floyd. You can't seem to stop yourself. Why do you feel qualified to mention his father in law in such as nasty way? Why do you feel he deserves you pointing this out on the internet? You say his ex wife and daughter have suffered in all this, why do you keep bringing them up then? This is disgusting, You keep changing the goal posts to suit your underlying feelings of hate. It's sad. But as Hog pointed out, this is the internet, and sick, distasteful posts get posted. I hope you're happy with your days work man.

 

[Digger]

More hate and anger

Has advertising really left you this bitter? I feel God could help you and release you from this bondage.

 

[Digger]

How can you say that the FFF money was used for the defense purpose without a doubt? The only way to know this is you are Floyd or someone who has an actual dog in this hunt?

I never read where BotanyBay was making fun of either divorce or suicide. What I read is that the stories that Floyd told had destroyed not only himself but those around him. This is an opinion of BotanyBay’s and since when does that equal what you and thehog have put on him.

Produce those stories please. Produce the stories where Floyd has said his doping destroyed everyone around him.

 

[BotanyBay]

If you can’t recognise the statements you made in naming children, mocking his divorce and mentioning the suicide whilst stating in parenthesis (there I said it!) knowing that it wasn’t off base then you have bigger problems than I originally thought.

Sure hate Landis for what he’s done. Hate the guy no problem. But the message you’re conveying is he’s a bad dude for the things his done but you have no problems in using his divorce and loss of his best friend as fodder to show off on the internet. What sort of person does this make you? It doesn’t get your point across in the slightest. Just shows you’re an Internet thug and will stoop to any level.

You deride Floyd for his actions but you’re using fairly similar ones to what you’re describing!

Keep it up. It’s the Internet. Have fun with someone’s else life and make jokes about it. But if you need to mention kids and suicide to get your point across then maybe you didn’t have a point in the first place. Think it about it.

My position remains the same; you’re posts are nothing short of vile and distasteful.

You're like Isaac Hayes getting peeved at matt Stone and Trey Parker for making fun of HIS religion (Scientology) in the series "South park". He never seemed to have a problem cashing the checks when it was Catholocism, Judaism and Mormonism that was on the receiving end, but then the topic turned to Scientology and suddenly, South Park was his enemy.

You're throwing ME under the bus in a lame attempt at garnering sympathy for your stupid position (whatever it is). Keep your dime-store psychoanalysis to yourself, ok?

 

[BotanyBay]

Produce those stories please. Produce the stories where Floyd has said his doping destroyed everyone around him.

I'd do it, but by doing so, you'd call me a jerk for making mention of the spouse, a father-in-law and a stepchild.

Yet here you are, egging someone on to do just that? Who is sick and twisted now? (You)

 

[BotanyBay]

Has advertising really left you this bitter? I feel God could help you and release you from this bondage.

The topic of this thread is Floyd Landis. Did you have an opinion to state regarding Mr Landis, or are you in perpetual ambush mode against the words of others?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Produce those stories please. Produce the stories where Floyd has said his doping destroyed everyone around him.

Stories as in LIES. Some parts of the english speaking world people refer to LIES as telling stories. YMMV.

Please do not get me caught up in your back and forth.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Produce those stories please. Produce the stories where Floyd has said his doping destroyed everyone around him.

Or are you trying to say that Floyd did not tell lies to Cover his six back in 2006 up until his email confessions etc? I did not realize you were discussing those facts but hey if you want to contend that Floyd was always telling the truth even to USADA and on then that is up to you.

 

[Digger]

I'd do it, but by doing so, you'd call me a jerk for making mention of the spouse, a father-in-law and a stepchild.

Yet here you are, egging someone on to do just that? Who is sick and twisted now? (You)

Listen man no one is as sick on here as you. But the point is that the poster above says that 'Floyd destroyed the people around him'. I said provide me a link to say or prove this is what happened. This material does not exist. People, like you, blaming his father in law's death on floyd, are using sick twisted logic, and using no sympathy towards depression. Shame on you. Yee are using a leap because it suits you on here. Yee have little if no grasp of that aspect of the story and why should yee. It's not fair game.
Yee criticise him for not telling everything yet it doesn't stop yee from making up your own twisted hateful conclusions.

 

[BotanyBay]

I never read where BotanyBay was making fun of either divorce or suicide. What I read is that the stories that Floyd told had destroyed not only himself but those around him. This is an opinion of BotanyBay’s and since when does that equal what you and thehog have put on him(?).

Digger, I believe that Mr. Wilson has asked you a legitimate question. The court will wait for an anwer. You have avoided that one.

 

[BotanyBay]

Listen man no one is as sick on here as you. But the point is that the poster above says that 'Floyd destroyed the people around him'. I said provide me a link to say or prove this is what happened. This material does not exist. People, like you, blaming his father in law's death on floyd, are using sick twisted logic, and using no sympathy towards depression. Shame on you. Yee are using a leap because it suits you on here. Yee have little if no grasp of that aspect of the story and why should yee. It's not fair game.
Yee criticise him for not telling everything yet it doesn't stop yee from making up your own twisted hateful conclusions.

Dummy, the lives I have mentioned previously IS the link. THOSE are the destroyed lives.