Fred Season Comes early to soCal...

[Oldman]

Well I kindof disagree with this .
The old gentleman and the commuters that go out in all sorts of weather , vs./ we x racers and racers of today , are not posers because we elect to not travel around the world , or push our bike across a desert , just to show it can be done.
We aren't posers either if we disagree with events like the Raam and any other type of sport that pushes the boundaries of sleep deprivation .

The thing is to keep learning if you love cycling> , racing , commuting , touring or any thing else on 2 wheels .
Most people will find out that with commuting which can lead to touring , and finally to racing , is a natural progression . By the time one joins a club and gets the finer points and the history of the sport , one can become a good cyclist and not an annoying Fred .

WE aren't posers by comparison , instead we are one of many types of cyclists and hopefully if we have been around long enough and or retired and coming back we can give direction to those that are starting out new in the sport so they don't become Freds or posers for Real .

I will elaborate: I meant he cycles clearly because he loves it. He doesn't appear to be trying to impress himself or anyone else; he's just on a long tour. That's my take purely on his appearance.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Elderly!

perspective

 

[stainlessguy1]

I will elaborate: I meant he cycles clearly because he loves it. He doesn't appear to be trying to impress himself or anyone else; he's just on a long tour. That's my take purely on his appearance.

ok thumbs up , I'll drink to that . lol
Old guys rock .

 

[BroDeal]

This guy is a CYCLIST. We racers are posers by comparison. Feel the same way about bad weather commuters; they have heart.

The guy IS the original definition of a fred, aside from not having a beard. A fred is not a poseur. Although most freds are slow, some are hella strong because they ride a lot.

This water bottle has an original "no freds" graphic that was common.

 

[the delgados]

This thread serves as a reminder that sports are inherently fascist.

 

[stainlessguy1]

The guy IS the original definition of a fred, aside from not having a beard. A fred is not a poseur. Although most freds are slow, some are hella strong because they ride a lot.

This water bottle has an original "no freds" graphic that was common.

I remember those water bottles. However the guy in the pictures is not a Fred . He doesn't fit the criteria , along with no beard , no mirrors , and especially no racing bike .
He is not pretending to be something he is not . He is simply a guy riding a bike from point A to B. He will not try or attempt to try to jump on your wheel while you are training but he might actually wave or salute when you ride by . NO Fred status . Just an elderly gentleman on a bike .

 

[BroDeal]

I remember those water bottles. However the guy in the pictures is not a Fred . He doesn't fit the criteria , along with no beard , no mirrors , and especially no racing bike .
He is not pretending to be something he is not . He is simply a guy riding a bike from point A to B. He will not try or attempt to try to jump on your wheel while you are training but he might actually wave or salute when you ride by . NO Fred status . Just an elderly gentleman on a bike .

The pic is a Fred. You are thinking of a poseur.

 

[a-team]

Some Freds are actually powerful riders that just don't care what others think.
1. Me and Jerry were riding flat out when some Fred on a rusty, Schwinn World blew past us like we were standing still. We tried to catch him but he was too fast.

They only look strong because they ride every ride on the flat like it's an ITT. You never see them on the hills, you never see them doing intervals, you never see them doing a recovery or low power ride .... always an ITT.

 

[42x16ss]

It's all part of the Fred Code, didn't you know that?

- All rides are ITT's and therefore must be ridden at a minimum intensity of Zone 3 and a maximum intensity of Zone 5.

- Anyone passing is to be used for pacing, regardless of what their session may be or the route they are taking.

- Structured training is not allowed.

 

[Boeing]

Am I the only one in the OC who thinks the Simple Green guys and gals admire their new bright kits just a little bit too much? Alas finally a distraction away from the hordes of RokForm kits on dudes who dont even put the product on their bike.....

 

[Boeing]

They only look strong because they ride every ride on the flat like it's an ITT. You never see them on the hills, you never see them doing intervals, you never see them doing a recovery or low power ride .... always an ITT.

...and of course they hadn't gone as far as we did.....or were going tooo....

 

[slowoldman]

Am I the only one in the OC who thinks the Simple Green guys and gals admire their new bright kits just a little bit too much? Alas finally a distraction away from the hordes of RokForm kits on dudes who dont even put the product on their bike.....

I'm just amazed how many teams have "hi-vis" (known in the 80's as NEON!) YELLOW in their kits. Kind of kills the hi-vis part if everybody is wearing it right?

 

[stainlessguy1]

It's all part of the Fred Code, didn't you know that?

- All rides are ITT's and therefore must be ridden at a minimum intensity of Zone 3 and a maximum intensity of Zone 5.

- Anyone passing is to be used for pacing, regardless of what their session may be or the route they are taking.

- Structured training is not allowed.

what the %^($#^*(*) is zone 3 and zone 5 ....... crap, stop the computer lingo

 

[42x16ss]

what the %^($#^*(*) is zone 3 and zone 5 ....... crap, stop the computer lingo

Heart rate/power training zones, used to gauge intensity.

Zone 1 - Recovery
Zone 2 - Aerobic Base (fitness/base building)
Zone 3 - Tempo
Zone 4 - Threshold
Zone 5 - Aerobic Capacity
Zone 6 - Anaerobic (Short sprints/Max Efforts)

Most good training plans focus on Zone 2/3, with intervals in Zones 5-6 and recovery sessions. Ride around at 4-5 all the time and you only wear yourself out.

Sorry, studying to renew my coaching quals.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I'm just amazed how many teams have "hi-vis" (known in the 80's as NEON!) YELLOW in their kits. Kind of kills the hi-vis part if everybody is wearing it right?

I'm all about hi-viz. I've been hit before.

About the Fred stuff, my definition of a Fred is a guy/gal with an expensive bike who never rides it other than just down to the coffee shop to yap about "wattage" or their "coach" or whatever pro's chamois they recently sniffed.

 

[Race Radio]

I'm all about hi-viz. I've been hit before.

About the Fred stuff, my definition of a Fred is a guy/gal with an expensive bike who never rides it other than just down to the coffee shop to yap about "wattage" or their "coach" or whatever pro's chamois they recently sniffed.

This

Rode out to watch some friend race a Crit last weekend. Caught the Cat 4 race, it was ridiculous. Some of the laps were 15 mph. Maybe one or two guys got dropped. A bunch of guys on $7,000 bikes and flashy team kit pretending there were racing. It was comical.

 

[slowoldman]

This

Rode out to watch some friend race a Crit last weekend. Caught the Cat 4 race, it was ridiculous. Some of the laps were 15 mph. Maybe one or two guys got dropped. A bunch of guys on $7,000 bikes and flashy team kit pretending there were racing. It was comical.

I agree, lots of people on really expensive bikes. Aren't Cat 4 races always that way though? Well actually, a lot of races are like that, everybody sits in and all 110 of them are going to win the sprint. Still don't like neon though, have flashbacks from the 80's.

 

[42x16ss]

This

Rode out to watch some friend race a Crit last weekend. Caught the Cat 4 race, it was ridiculous. Some of the laps were 15 mph. Maybe one or two guys got dropped. A bunch of guys on $7,000 bikes and flashy team kit pretending there were racing. It was comical.

None of them want to ride on the front because they all think that a 30-40 second turn is going to ruin their chances in the sprint

See it all the time over here too.

 

[Race Radio]

I agree, lots of people on really expensive bikes. Aren't Cat 4 races always that way though? Well actually, a lot of races are like that, everybody sits in and all 110 of them are going to win the sprint. Still don't like neon though, have flashbacks from the 80's.

I think my memory is clouded.

By the time I came back to America I was pretty much done with racing. I did, 15 years ago, jump in a 4/5 crit with a one day and I remember clearly my average speed was 27.5 mph. Granted it was in an area that was very competitive but still.....

What I saw a few weeks ago was just a joke, and dangerous. 50+ guys spread across the road with one lap to go? Not good.

 

[stainlessguy1]

Heart rate/power training zones, used to gauge intensity.

Zone 1 - Recovery
Zone 2 - Aerobic Base (fitness/base building)
Zone 3 - Tempo
Zone 4 - Threshold
Zone 5 - Aerobic Capacity
Zone 6 - Anaerobic (Short sprints/Max Efforts)

Most good training plans focus on Zone 2/3, with intervals in Zones 5-6 and recovery sessions. Ride around at 4-5 all the time and you only wear yourself out.

Sorry, studying to renew my coaching quals.

Ok I see , just recalling the original version :

Talking while riding with the team .
Talking while riding except no talking up a hill.
No talking and definitely no talking while on a climb.
Not willing to stop to give directions to lost motorists that try too flag you down.
And last ....... ON THE RIVET .

That about sums it up .

For commuting to work and actually make the punch clock on time :

to work ..... ON THE RIVET
from work after a 10 hour shift of swinging hammer .... OH CRAP , dang wind the wrong way again .

ok that's the work commute .

ok made it home , miller time zone .
Only zone I know .

 

[slowoldman]

Ok I see , just recalling the original version :

Talking while riding with the team .
Talking while riding except no talking up a hill.
No talking and definitely no talking while on a climb.
Not willing to stop to give directions to lost motorists that try too flag you down.
And last ....... ON THE RIVET .

That about sums it up .

For commuting to work and actually make the punch clock on time :

to work ..... ON THE RIVET
from work after a 10 hour shift of swinging hammer .... OH CRAP , dang wind the wrong way again .

ok that's the work commute .

ok made it home , miller time zone .
Only zone I know .

These zones I understand.

 

[Oldman]

I'm all about hi-viz. I've been hit before.

About the Fred stuff, my definition of a Fred is a guy/gal with an expensive bike who never rides it other than just down to the coffee shop to yap about "wattage" or their "coach" or whatever pro's chamois they recently sniffed.

Rode near Palm Springs for the first time last week. Scared the sh*t out of me. No amount of Vis or lighting can overcome stupid, aggressive and entitled drivers. Stick to Norcal and the NW states from here on out.

 

[42x16ss]

Rode near Palm Springs for the first time last week. Scared the sh*t out of me. No amount of Vis or lighting can overcome stupid, aggressive and entitled drivers. Stick to Norcal and the NW states from here on out.

I hear you. In some parts of Aus, hi viz just makes you an easier target

 

[slowoldman]

Rode near Palm Springs for the first time last week. Scared the sh*t out of me. No amount of Vis or lighting can overcome stupid, aggressive and entitled drivers. Stick to Norcal and the NW states from here on out.

Our camp was out in Palm Springs this year and I will tell you I probably won't ever ride out there again. I agree, it scared the tar out of me.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I think my memory is clouded.

What I saw a few weeks ago was just a joke, and dangerous. 50+ guys spread across the road with one lap to go? Not good.

That right there is exactly the problem. Same thing here. Huge fields, people sitting in to sprint the final 200 meters dreaming on glory in a weekly crit. Ridiculous.

End of the race people are yapping about the massive wattage they hit on that last stretch and how their "coach" has them doing intervals tomorrow.

Turd burglars, all of 'em. Go to Europe and some guy commuting home with a loaf of bread in the back pannier will drop 'em like a bad habit. No power meter. No Zipps. No 6K frame.