Froome/Contador Andalucia

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blackcat said:
glow time is only valid from 2001.

when was the hematocrit health rule? 99?
Respectfully' you are missing the point. Once epo changed everything riders started to choose targets. They didn't want to have to be setting alarms every night to check that their blood hadn't turned to tar throughout the entire season.

Then when first the hematocrit max came in and then the epo test, those only solidified this new behavior of cyclists. In 89 Fignon rode an entire season, winning Milan San remo, the giro, second at the TDF and in the finals of the WC. In 1990 an overweight Lemond was able to ride himself into shape (not "exhausting himself") by stringing together the tour de trump, the giro and the TDF.

Epo and then blood doping is the direct reason we saw a change in riders race scheduling habits, a lightening of the load, and disappearance weeks before a stated goal.
 
Big Doopie said:
Respectfully' you are missing the point. Once epo changed everything riders started to choose targets. They didn't want to have to be setting alarms every night to check that their blood hadn't turned to tar throughout the entire season.

Then when first the hematocrit max came in and then the epo test, those only solidified this new behavior of cyclists. In 89 Fignon rode an entire season, winning Milan San remo, the giro, second at the TDF and in the finals of the WC. In 1990 an overweight Lemond was able to ride himself into shape (not "exhausting himself") by stringing together the tour de trump, the giro and the TDF.

Epo and then blood doping is the direct reason we saw a change in riders race scheduling habits, a lightening of the load, and disappearance weeks before a stated goal.
I always knew Jalabert was clean. Thank you.

http://www.procyclingstats.com/rider.php?id=114122&season=1995
 
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=154

Ruta del Sol 2015
By: Michele Ferrari
Published: 28 Feb 2015

After a good time trial (Froome lost 8" in eight kilometers of racing), the 3rd stage saw Alberto Contador attack right at the start of the climb Alto de Hazallanas, 8km from the finish.
Chris Froome, slightly distanced in the previous descent, was not able to respond promptly enough and Alberto rapidly gained thirty seconds on his pursuers, led by the Sky Team riders, with Froome in their wake.
Alberto was pedaling well, managed to retain the advantage; only in the last few kilometers Chris, left alone to chase, was able to recover ten seconds on the Spanish.
Contador climbed the 8 Km at 9% at 1800m/h (6.20 w/kg), with Froome not far at 1777 m/h (6.13 w/kg). All the other rivals were much further back.

The next day, on the ramps at 15-18% of the Alto de Allanadas, theoretically favorable to the lighter Iberian climber, Froome accelerated on the pedals: Contador tried to follow him, but after a few meters he gave up on holding to his rear wheel.
In the last 6'40" of the race the Englishman gave 29" to the Spanish: the VAM was a stratospheric 2059 m/h (6.86 w/kg), with Alberto climbing at 1938 m/h (6.46 w/kg).
Contador repeated the excellent performance of the previous day, but Froome expressed a performance that was 6.2% higher than the Spanish, which is huge considering the level and the maximal effort of the two protagonists, who were obviously first and second at the finish line, with the other riders far behind.
It's as if, after providing roughly equivalent performances in the time trial and climbs up till then, Froome had found in the legs a bonus of 25-30 watts in the last 2 km of the 4th stage compared to Contador...





Laaaal.
 
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Netserk said:
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=154

Ruta del Sol 2015
By: Michele Ferrari
Published: 28 Feb 2015

After a good time trial (Froome lost 8" in eight kilometers of racing), the 3rd stage saw Alberto Contador attack right at the start of the climb Alto de Hazallanas, 8km from the finish.
Chris Froome, slightly distanced in the previous descent, was not able to respond promptly enough and Alberto rapidly gained thirty seconds on his pursuers, led by the Sky Team riders, with Froome in their wake.
Alberto was pedaling well, managed to retain the advantage; only in the last few kilometers Chris, left alone to chase, was able to recover ten seconds on the Spanish.
Contador climbed the 8 Km at 9% at 1800m/h (6.20 w/kg), with Froome not far at 1777 m/h (6.13 w/kg). All the other rivals were much further back.

The next day, on the ramps at 15-18% of the Alto de Allanadas, theoretically favorable to the lighter Iberian climber, Froome accelerated on the pedals: Contador tried to follow him, but after a few meters he gave up on holding to his rear wheel.
In the last 6'40" of the race the Englishman gave 29" to the Spanish: the VAM was a stratospheric 2059 m/h (6.86 w/kg), with Alberto climbing at 1938 m/h (6.46 w/kg).
Contador repeated the excellent performance of the previous day, but Froome expressed a performance that was 6.2% higher than the Spanish, which is huge considering the level and the maximal effort of the two protagonists, who were obviously first and second at the finish line, with the other riders far behind.
It's as if, after providing roughly equivalent performances in the time trial and climbs up till then, Froome had found in the legs a bonus of 25-30 watts in the last 2 km of the 4th stage compared to Contador...





Laaaal.
WOW!!!! Dr. Ferrari basically just told you all you need to know on Froome!
 
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Big Doopie said:
lol. yes and one example disproves the trend. lol. do you people even know how to debate or am i wasting my time?
The latter. As sad as it is. Counter "arguments" either come with an direct attack, or ridicule the op post.
Goes on since years.
I tried the same argument as you. I got harder flak BTW...
 
roundabout said:
Actually it seems that Froome's power on stage 4 is roughly in line with what he produced on stage 3 (considering the different durations) and it was more like Contador having a worse day.
Yeah, it was more Ferrari's obvious hint that I found amusing. Especially the ellipsis.
 
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Big Doopie said:
lol. yes and one example disproves the trend. lol. do you people even know how to debate or am i wasting my time?
You're just having a little bit of difficulty understanding whose time is being wasted.
 

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