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fmk_RoI said:
macbindle said:
Ok maybe not lynch them but the mob were beating up Garin and another rider...not just delaying them

The point stands. There is a long history of aggression towards riders from fans.
Exactly how much use is a bodyguard going to be in such a scenario? Is he travelling in front of the race or behind? Just how long do you think it would take him to get from whichever end of the race he's at to the scene of an attack on a rider?

He's there, as he was there when LA used one, as he was there when Cuddles used one, for the stuff at either end of the stage. Cause it looks good. And helps the rider feel good.
Surely the bodyguard was there to manage the media scrum rather than to protect against any threat
 
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Parker said:
fmk_RoI said:
macbindle said:
Ok maybe not lynch them but the mob were beating up Garin and another rider...not just delaying them

The point stands. There is a long history of aggression towards riders from fans.
Exactly how much use is a bodyguard going to be in such a scenario? Is he travelling in front of the race or behind? Just how long do you think it would take him to get from whichever end of the race he's at to the scene of an attack on a rider?

He's there, as he was there when LA used one, as he was there when Cuddles used one, for the stuff at either end of the stage. Cause it looks good. And helps the rider feel good.
Surely the bodyguard was there to manage the media scrum rather than to protect against any threat
The threat was from the media ;o)
 
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fmk_RoI said:
Parker said:
fmk_RoI said:
macbindle said:
Ok maybe not lynch them but the mob were beating up Garin and another rider...not just delaying them

The point stands. There is a long history of aggression towards riders from fans.
Exactly how much use is a bodyguard going to be in such a scenario? Is he travelling in front of the race or behind? Just how long do you think it would take him to get from whichever end of the race he's at to the scene of an attack on a rider?

He's there, as he was there when LA used one, as he was there when Cuddles used one, for the stuff at either end of the stage. Cause it looks good. And helps the rider feel good.
Surely the bodyguard was there to manage the media scrum rather than to protect against any threat
The threat was from the media ;o)

Every liar and cheater fears informed questions more than anything.
 
macbindle said:
...There are plenty of examples of aggression towards cyclists in races from spectators, usually nationality-driven.

If you know your Tour history, which you may, you'll know of the incident of a gun being fired to scare off a lynch mob.
If memory serves, it was twice in the same stage. Early in the second stage of the 1904 Tour, Henri Desgrange himself fired a shot to warn off some locals who were blocking the way for all other riders to the benefit of a local boy. Nearer the finish, a hundred-strong local mob physically assaulted a number of riders -- including 1903 GC, Maurice Garin -- until writer for L'Auto, Géo Lefèvre, arrived on the scene and put them to flight with a number of blasts from his revolver.
 
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rick james said:
TourOfSardinia said:
Gazzetta reports Froome is in the start list for T-A
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/28-02-2018/tirreno-adriatico-2018-lista-iscritti-froome-nibali-dumoulin-aru-sagan-250600109941.shtml

Tirreno-Adriatico 2018: Froome, Nibali and Dumoulin at the start
A list of the big name members that of the 53rd edition of the race which kicks off on 7 March.
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why is this in the clinic?

Apparently Chris Froome has had some sort of doping violation: https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017/12/16/the-truth-behind-chris-froomes-doping/

And apparently some people think he should not be riding.
 
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red_flanders said:
rick james said:
TourOfSardinia said:
Gazzetta reports Froome is in the start list for T-A
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/28-02-2018/tirreno-adriatico-2018-lista-iscritti-froome-nibali-dumoulin-aru-sagan-250600109941.shtml

Tirreno-Adriatico 2018: Froome, Nibali and Dumoulin at the start
A list of the big name members that of the 53rd edition of the race which kicks off on 7 March.
:eek:

why is this in the clinic?

Apparently Chris Froome has had some sort of doping violation: https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017/12/16/the-truth-behind-chris-froomes-doping/

And apparently some people think he should not be riding.

This is one of the better analytics written on this case ... until it delves into dramatic sleuthing on Froome's purported Asthma ... where he relies upon "why wouldn't" rhetorical questions, rather than science, to diagnose Froome as a non asthmatic. Anyway ... all seen and discussed before.

True ... some people think he should not be riding. Equally true, apparently/obviously ... that there are more people who feel that he should be riding. You'll see that, RF, when you tune in to watch. ;)
 
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rick james said:
TourOfSardinia said:
Gazzetta reports Froome is in the start list for T-A
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/28-02-2018/tirreno-adriatico-2018-lista-iscritti-froome-nibali-dumoulin-aru-sagan-250600109941.shtml

Tirreno-Adriatico 2018: Froome, Nibali and Dumoulin at the start
A list of the big name members that of the 53rd edition of the race which kicks off on 7 March.
:eek:

why is this in the clinic?
Why the question? I thought it was obvious!
 
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Alpe73 said:
red_flanders said:
rick james said:
TourOfSardinia said:
Gazzetta reports Froome is in the start list for T-A
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/28-02-2018/tirreno-adriatico-2018-lista-iscritti-froome-nibali-dumoulin-aru-sagan-250600109941.shtml

Tirreno-Adriatico 2018: Froome, Nibali and Dumoulin at the start
A list of the big name members that of the 53rd edition of the race which kicks off on 7 March.
:eek:

why is this in the clinic?

Apparently Chris Froome has had some sort of doping violation: https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017/12/16/the-truth-behind-chris-froomes-doping/

And apparently some people think he should not be riding.

This is one of the better analytics written on this case ... until it delves into dramatic sleuthing on Froome's purported Asthma ... where he relies upon "why wouldn't" rhetorical questions, rather than science, to diagnose Froome as a non asthmatic. Anyway ... all seen and discussed before.

True ... some people think he should not be riding. Equally true, apparently/obviously ... that there are more people who feel that he should be riding. You'll see that, RF, when you tune in to watch. ;)

I think that is the most spot-on and best write-ups I've seen on the topic, on a forum or article. Nails the asthma nonsense and links to another article that does the same. I guess deductive reasoning isn't science, but it's a useful tool in figuring out who is full of it. In cycling, life, or even on a forum.

I wish he weren't riding but I don't think anyone has grounds to stop him. Fairly straightforward I think. Hardly the first doper to ride while waiting for the process to play out.
 
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Escarabajo said:
rick james said:
TourOfSardinia said:
Gazzetta reports Froome is in the start list for T-A
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/28-02-2018/tirreno-adriatico-2018-lista-iscritti-froome-nibali-dumoulin-aru-sagan-250600109941.shtml

Tirreno-Adriatico 2018: Froome, Nibali and Dumoulin at the start
A list of the big name members that of the 53rd edition of the race which kicks off on 7 March.
:eek:

why is this in the clinic?
Why the question? I thought it was obvious!
It adds nothing to the thread
 
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red_flanders said:
rick james said:
TourOfSardinia said:
Gazzetta reports Froome is in the start list for T-A
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/28-02-2018/tirreno-adriatico-2018-lista-iscritti-froome-nibali-dumoulin-aru-sagan-250600109941.shtml

Tirreno-Adriatico 2018: Froome, Nibali and Dumoulin at the start
A list of the big name members that of the 53rd edition of the race which kicks off on 7 March.
:eek:

why is this in the clinic?

Apparently Chris Froome has had some sort of doping violation: https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017/12/16/the-truth-behind-chris-froomes-doping/

And apparently some people think he should not be riding.

An abnormal finding that should have been kept private
 
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red_flanders said:
Alpe73 said:
red_flanders said:
rick james said:
why is this in the clinic?

Apparently Chris Froome has had some sort of doping violation: https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017/12/16/the-truth-behind-chris-froomes-doping/

And apparently some people think he should not be riding.

This is one of the better analytics written on this case ... until it delves into dramatic sleuthing on Froome's purported Asthma ... where he relies upon "why wouldn't" rhetorical questions, rather than science, to diagnose Froome as a non asthmatic. Anyway ... all seen and discussed before.

True ... some people think he should not be riding. Equally true, apparently/obviously ... that there are more people who feel that he should be riding. You'll see that, RF, when you tune in to watch. ;)

I think that is the most spot-on and best write-ups I've seen on the topic, on a forum or article. Nails the asthma nonsense and links to another article that does the same. I guess deductive reasoning isn't science, but it's a useful tool in figuring out who is full of it. In cycling, life, or even on a forum.

I wish he weren't riding but I don't think anyone has grounds to stop him. Fairly straightforward I think. Hardly the first doper to ride while waiting for the process to play out.

Pure stuff is spot on ... if you can afford it.

Knock-off jobbies ..... meh .... ya get what ya pay for.
 
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rick james said:
red_flanders said:
rick james said:
TourOfSardinia said:
Gazzetta reports Froome is in the start list for T-A
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/28-02-2018/tirreno-adriatico-2018-lista-iscritti-froome-nibali-dumoulin-aru-sagan-250600109941.shtml

Tirreno-Adriatico 2018: Froome, Nibali and Dumoulin at the start
A list of the big name members that of the 53rd edition of the race which kicks off on 7 March.
:eek:

why is this in the clinic?

Apparently Chris Froome has had some sort of doping violation: https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017/12/16/the-truth-behind-chris-froomes-doping/

And apparently some people think he should not be riding.

An abnormal finding that should have been kept private

And he would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling kids......... ;)
 
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Tirreno-Adriatico 2018: Froome, Nibali and Dumoulin at the start
A list of the big name members that of the 53rd edition of the race which kicks off on 7 March.
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why is this in the clinic?[/quote]

Apparently Chris Froome has had some sort of doping violation: https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017/12/16/the-truth-behind-chris-froomes-doping/

And apparently some people think he should not be riding.[/quote]

An abnormal finding that should have been kept private[/quote]


hmmm a VERY abnormal finding really wouldnt you say?, and still no rational explanation after over 5 months.... and yet DB claims its is all easily proven; if so why have they not proven their innocence and moved on, after 5 months? DB's claim that you can produce more salbutamol (or any other PED) in your urine than you actually ingested; how exactly does that work btw? im really interested to see how that can be proven....
 
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rick james said:
red_flanders said:
rick james said:
TourOfSardinia said:
Gazzetta reports Froome is in the start list for T-A
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/28-02-2018/tirreno-adriatico-2018-lista-iscritti-froome-nibali-dumoulin-aru-sagan-250600109941.shtml

Tirreno-Adriatico 2018: Froome, Nibali and Dumoulin at the start
A list of the big name members that of the 53rd edition of the race which kicks off on 7 March.
:eek:

why is this in the clinic?

Apparently Chris Froome has had some sort of doping violation: https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017/12/16/the-truth-behind-chris-froomes-doping/

And apparently some people think he should not be riding.

An abnormal finding that should have been kept private

It wasn't. He was at twice the limit, and obviously doping. So we're discussing it.
 
I wonder if this had been kept quiet still, what the reaction would have been of a ban. (I still think they will wriggle out of something)

Some people seem more livid that it's out than the situation that Froome / Sky find themselves in. Yes, trial by media etc, but I dont get the madness tbh.
 
MartinGT said:
I wonder if this had been kept quiet still, what the reaction would have been of a ban. (I still think they will wriggle out of something)

Some people seem more livid that it's out than the situation that Froome / Sky find themselves in. Yes, trial by media etc, but I dont get the madness tbh.

quite

it's a scientific issue and science will either get him off or it won't...the public knowing doesn't alter the science.....

damn transparency
 
Well, I suppose it might be that people are annoyed because (almost) every other athlete with an adverse analytical finding has been afforded confidentiality, as per regulations. But Froome hasn't.

If you view everything through the filter of utter visceral hate of Froome then, yeah, you wouldn't get that.
 
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macbindle said:
Well, I suppose it might be that people are annoyed because (almost) every other athlete with an adverse analytical finding has been afforded confidentiality, as per regulations. But Froome hasn't.

If you view everything through the filter of utter visceral hate of Froome then, yeah, you wouldn't get that.

Froome was 'afforded' confidentiality by the system, however there was a leak. You can't legislate for that...

leakers by definition tend not afford anyone anything...and of course may have had an as yet unknown reason for leaking in the first place...you could also call them a whisltleblower ...perhaps, of course the way the AAF is being managed changed after the leak/whistleblow.....