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Yep, and there can be a mix of reasons why he took significantly too much that day (the threshold is rather generous), maybe he is both legitimately asthmatic and on oral salbutamol for weight loss/anabolic effects, had an asthma crisis, took too much on the puffer and the combined dose sent him overboard, maybe he made a mistake with his tablets (it would not surprise me if he took a lot of medicines/supplements, both legit and illegal), maybe his doping doc made a stupid miscalculation and told him that he could up his dosage after the los machucos bad day, maybe... But one thing is sure, that salbutamol didn't come out of nowhere and the probability of having some kind of intermittent kidney failure while trashing the competition sounds... yeah i'm gonna stay with "improbable"gillan1969 said:he did take significantly more...they found it..it was thereColonelKidneyBeans said:The BB theory doesn't hold up, reread some of Merckx Index post to understand why (sorry i'm a bit too busy RN to search and link them), that's not to say that the most likely explanation isn't that they **** up somewhere tough, saying i find it hard to believe that Froome has taken more than allowed, is like saying i find it hard to believe that he didn't take excretion time properly into account if he was busted for EPO. That salbutamol in his urine didn't come from nowhere, and the "magic kidneys" theory is improbable (and "improbable" is likely too kind a word here), so...Climbing said:They **** up when they refilled (BB) after Los Muchachos crisis.simoni said:I find it hard to believe that Froome has taken significantly more salbutomol than allowed - it just doesn't pass the basic common sense filter for me (which doesn't mean I necessarily think he takes nothing at all...)Bolder said:Froome's protesting that he wants this resolved quickly is a bit hard to swallow. If there was a simple, airtight explanation, it would have been offered 6 months ago. It's pretty clear that the CAS -- if it gets to them -- will be presented with a 10-inch thick dossier of charts, graphs and irrelvant but convincing looking studies, with a corresponding PowerPoint presentation.
I am pretty sure ASO is tied in knots right now, however. They'd love to ban CF but OTOH would like the publicity that will come from him riding with an unresolved case. They've only got a few weeks to make a call, too.
They evidently haven't a clue why the ultra high reading they got occured and thats why we see them scrabbling about trying every avenue possible.
the question is how. The most probable answer is that he takes it via illegal methods as part of whatever program he is on to lose weight and keep weight off (the asthma providing cover up to 1200) and he literally took the wrong drug by mistake. That excuse won't fly obviously, for a number of reasons, and so we find ourselves with the shaggy defence.....'it wasn't me"
Go tell Chicken and Vino that.macbindle said:LeTour welcomes escapades such as Froome's Ventoux . It gets attention. The attendant doping outcry is barely audible in the bigger picture. LeTour don't want scandal. Scandal doesn't mean doping, it means exposed doping.
Maybe he's using it as recovery, and taking oral doses.ColonelKidneyBeans said:Yep, and there can be a mix of reasons why he took significantly too much that day (the threshold is rather generous), maybe he is both legitimately asthmatic and on oral salbutamol for weight loss/anabolic effects, had an asthma crisis, took too much on the puffer and the combined dose sent him overboard, maybe he made a mistake with his tablets (it would not surprise me if he took a lot of medicines/supplements, both legit and illegal), maybe his doping doc made a stupid miscalculation and told him that he could up his dosage after the los machucos bad day, maybe... But one thing is sure, that salbutamol didn't come out of nowhere and the probability of having some kind of intermittent kidney failure while trashing the competition sounds... yeah i'm gonna stay with "improbable"
Maybe he timed it wrong or got the dose wrong. He got something wrong.CONCLUSIONS:
Under the conditions of this study, oral salbutamol appears to be an effective ergogenic aid in nonasthmatic individuals not experiencing adverse side effects.
This is why we love the Dawg, certainly not a Simon Yates in his mid-20’sPrato Nevoso, last time Froome climbed this mountain was TdF 2008, he finished in the autobus with big guys like McEwen and O'Grady
127th, 21 minutes behind the GC guys
Yeh they put that stat up today during the race. He was the worse one IIRC out of the guys currently still racing in the race doing it. Yet totally glossed over by Kirby et althehog said:This is why we love the Dawg, certainly not a Simon Yates in his mid-20’sPrato Nevoso, last time Froome climbed this mountain was TdF 2008, he finished in the autobus with big guys like McEwen and O'Grady
127th, 21 minutes behind the GC guys![]()
He was a first year pro doing his first world tour level stage race.MartinGT said:Yeh they put that stat up today during the race. He was the worse one IIRC out of the guys currently still racing in the race doing it. Yet totally glossed over by Kirby et althehog said:This is why we love the Dawg, certainly not a Simon Yates in his mid-20’sPrato Nevoso, last time Froome climbed this mountain was TdF 2008, he finished in the autobus with big guys like McEwen and O'Grady
127th, 21 minutes behind the GC guys![]()
Parker said:He was a first year pro doing his first world tour level stage race.MartinGT said:Yeh they put that stat up today during the race. He was the worse one IIRC out of the guys currently still racing in the race doing it. Yet totally glossed over by Kirby et althehog said:This is why we love the Dawg, certainly not a Simon Yates in his mid-20’sPrato Nevoso, last time Froome climbed this mountain was TdF 2008, he finished in the autobus with big guys like McEwen and O'Grady
127th, 21 minutes behind the GC guys![]()
Yates also did the Tour in his first season. He was fourth last on one mountain stage, nearly forty minutes down. When he abandoned he was 83rd on GC, co-incidentally the exact position Froome finished his debut Tour in.
Compare that with pre-epo riders who won GTs. All performed well from the start.Parker said:He was a first year pro doing his first world tour level stage race.MartinGT said:Yeh they put that stat up today during the race. He was the worse one IIRC out of the guys currently still racing in the race doing it. Yet totally glossed over by Kirby et althehog said:This is why we love the Dawg, certainly not a Simon Yates in his mid-20’sPrato Nevoso, last time Froome climbed this mountain was TdF 2008, he finished in the autobus with big guys like McEwen and O'Grady
127th, 21 minutes behind the GC guys![]()
Yates also did the Tour in his first season. He was fourth last on one mountain stage, nearly forty minutes down. When he abandoned he was 83rd on GC, co-incidentally the exact position Froome finished his debut Tour in.
Age 23. Third. As a domestique.Benotti69 said:Compare that with pre-epo riders who won GTs. All performed well from the start.
Yates had the full benefit of British Cycling, it's track programme, it's road academy. Froome came from a country that has produced no other pro cyclist.thehog said:Hmmmmmm, nope. Yates progressed, Froome stayed his same crap self until the Vuelta 2011. Let’s keep this in perspective, please.
How many came from a country that had no pro cyclists, ever?Benotti69 said:Compare that with pre-epo riders who won GTs. All performed well from the start.
Froome learned everything between the tour of Poland and the Vuelta ofc. Now that makes sense.Parker said:How many came from a country that had no pro cyclists, ever?Benotti69 said:Compare that with pre-epo riders who won GTs. All performed well from the start.
That was the Tour of Poland won by Peter Sagan, am I right? What was his GC position in the Vuelta? It's almost as though they were different races.ColonelKidneyBeans said:Froome learned everything between the tour of Poland and the Vuelta ofc. Now that makes sense.Parker said:How many came from a country that had no pro cyclists, ever?Benotti69 said:Compare that with pre-epo riders who won GTs. All performed well from the start.
It's almost as tough Froome has no results in his WT career before that Vuelta, apart from his second place at the 2010 ITT NC (against such a stellar field) . And yeah they were different races, but Froome sure as hell was a different rider between those. Nothing screams future GT contender like getting dropped on every stage with the slightest hill. I could have used any race in Froome career before that Vuelta, Poland is just a good marker because of temporal proximity, in three weeks he goes from Kennaugh invisible domestique finishing every stage with the slightest difficulty well behind,to nearly winning the Vuelta while domestiquing for Wiggins. Does that make any sense?Parker said:That was the Tour of Poland won by Peter Sagan, am I right? What was his GC position in the Vuelta? It's almost as though they were different races.ColonelKidneyBeans said:Froome learned everything between the tour of Poland and the Vuelta ofc. Now that makes sense.Parker said:How many came from a country that had no pro cyclists, ever?Benotti69 said:Compare that with pre-epo riders who won GTs. All performed well from the start.
This ^ColonelKidneyBeans said:Yep, and there can be a mix of reasons why he took significantly too much that day (the threshold is rather generous), maybe he is both legitimately asthmatic and on oral salbutamol for weight loss/anabolic effects, had an asthma crisis, took too much on the puffer and the combined dose sent him overboard, maybe he made a mistake with his tablets (it would not surprise me if he took a lot of medicines/supplements, both legit and illegal), maybe his doping doc made a stupid miscalculation and told him that he could up his dosage after the los machucos bad day, maybe... But one thing is sure, that salbutamol didn't come out of nowhere and the probability of having some kind of intermittent kidney failure while trashing the competition sounds... yeah i'm gonna stay with "improbable"
Exactly. An "oops" moment. As per my comment above to the Colonel.red_flanders said:Maybe he timed it wrong or got the dose wrong. He got something wrong.
Unless the mistake was "business as usual" and Cookson not getting reelected was the miscalculation in the doping math.And if you follow someone enough, everyone makes mistakes.
Name one, just one, performance pre-Vuelta 2011 which suggested Froome was at the very very upper end of the human physiological spectrum and one of the best GT riders the world has known? Just one?Parker said:He was a first year pro doing his first world tour level stage race.MartinGT said:Yeh they put that stat up today during the race. He was the worse one IIRC out of the guys currently still racing in the race doing it. Yet totally glossed over by Kirby et althehog said:This is why we love the Dawg, certainly not a Simon Yates in his mid-20’sPrato Nevoso, last time Froome climbed this mountain was TdF 2008, he finished in the autobus with big guys like McEwen and O'Grady
127th, 21 minutes behind the GC guys![]()
Yates also did the Tour in his first season. He was fourth last on one mountain stage, nearly forty minutes down. When he abandoned he was 83rd on GC, co-incidentally the exact position Froome finished his debut Tour in.
Huapango said:Unless the mistake was "business as usual" and Cookson not getting reelected was the miscalculation in the doping math.And if you follow someone enough, everyone makes mistakes.
The leak to the press must have really p****ed off SDB/Sky too.Koronin said:Huapango said:Unless the mistake was "business as usual" and Cookson not getting reelected was the miscalculation in the doping math.And if you follow someone enough, everyone makes mistakes.
Truthfully I actually think there is some validity to this.
Watching stage 19 he could do itMartinGT said:If the Dawg takes the Giro all the sychophants will be saying it was a total stroke of genius by him and Sky to work up the form. They will ignore the uphill crashing, the dropping off on easy gradients, the lack of 5,000,000 RPM.