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ColonelKidneyBeans said:
Yep, and there can be a mix of reasons why he took significantly too much that day (the threshold is rather generous), maybe he is both legitimately asthmatic and on oral salbutamol for weight loss/anabolic effects, had an asthma crisis, took too much on the puffer and the combined dose sent him overboard, maybe he made a mistake with his tablets (it would not surprise me if he took a lot of medicines/supplements, both legit and illegal), maybe his doping doc made a stupid miscalculation and told him that he could up his dosage after the los machucos bad day, maybe... But one thing is sure, that salbutamol didn't come out of nowhere and the probability of having some kind of intermittent kidney failure while trashing the competition sounds... yeah i'm gonna stay with "improbable"

Maybe he's using it as recovery, and taking oral doses.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10912897

CONCLUSIONS:
Under the conditions of this study, oral salbutamol appears to be an effective ergogenic aid in nonasthmatic individuals not experiencing adverse side effects.

Maybe he timed it wrong or got the dose wrong. He got something wrong.
 
thehog said:
Prato Nevoso, last time Froome climbed this mountain was TdF 2008, he finished in the autobus with big guys like McEwen and O'Grady
127th, 21 minutes behind the GC guys

This is why we love the Dawg, certainly not a Simon Yates in his mid-20’s :cool:

Yeh they put that stat up today during the race. He was the worse one IIRC out of the guys currently still racing in the race doing it. Yet totally glossed over by Kirby et al
 
MartinGT said:
thehog said:
Prato Nevoso, last time Froome climbed this mountain was TdF 2008, he finished in the autobus with big guys like McEwen and O'Grady
127th, 21 minutes behind the GC guys

This is why we love the Dawg, certainly not a Simon Yates in his mid-20’s :cool:

Yeh they put that stat up today during the race. He was the worse one IIRC out of the guys currently still racing in the race doing it. Yet totally glossed over by Kirby et al
He was a first year pro doing his first world tour level stage race.

Yates also did the Tour in his first season. He was fourth last on one mountain stage, nearly forty minutes down. When he abandoned he was 83rd on GC, co-incidentally the exact position Froome finished his debut Tour in.
 
Parker said:
MartinGT said:
thehog said:
Prato Nevoso, last time Froome climbed this mountain was TdF 2008, he finished in the autobus with big guys like McEwen and O'Grady
127th, 21 minutes behind the GC guys

This is why we love the Dawg, certainly not a Simon Yates in his mid-20’s :cool:

Yeh they put that stat up today during the race. He was the worse one IIRC out of the guys currently still racing in the race doing it. Yet totally glossed over by Kirby et al
He was a first year pro doing his first world tour level stage race.

Yates also did the Tour in his first season. He was fourth last on one mountain stage, nearly forty minutes down. When he abandoned he was 83rd on GC, co-incidentally the exact position Froome finished his debut Tour in.


Hmmmmmm, nope. Yates progressed, Froome stayed his same crap self until the Vuelta 2011. Let’s keep this in perspective, please.
 
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Parker said:
MartinGT said:
thehog said:
Prato Nevoso, last time Froome climbed this mountain was TdF 2008, he finished in the autobus with big guys like McEwen and O'Grady
127th, 21 minutes behind the GC guys

This is why we love the Dawg, certainly not a Simon Yates in his mid-20’s :cool:

Yeh they put that stat up today during the race. He was the worse one IIRC out of the guys currently still racing in the race doing it. Yet totally glossed over by Kirby et al
He was a first year pro doing his first world tour level stage race.

Yates also did the Tour in his first season. He was fourth last on one mountain stage, nearly forty minutes down. When he abandoned he was 83rd on GC, co-incidentally the exact position Froome finished his debut Tour in.

Compare that with pre-epo riders who won GTs. All performed well from the start.
 
Benotti69 said:
Compare that with pre-epo riders who won GTs. All performed well from the start.

Age 23. Third. As a domestique.

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Caption contest?
 
thehog said:
Hmmmmmm, nope. Yates progressed, Froome stayed his same crap self until the Vuelta 2011. Let’s keep this in perspective, please.
Yates had the full benefit of British Cycling, it's track programme, it's road academy. Froome came from a country that has produced no other pro cyclist.
Yates turn pro with a world tour team and has been there ever since. Froome joined a pro conti team which folded in his second year. He then had injuries and illness.

Comparing the two is like comparing a privately educated kid how went to Oxbridge with a home schooled kid from an estate who went to evening classes.
 
ColonelKidneyBeans said:
Parker said:
Benotti69 said:
Compare that with pre-epo riders who won GTs. All performed well from the start.
How many came from a country that had no pro cyclists, ever?
Froome learned everything between the tour of Poland and the Vuelta ofc. Now that makes sense.
That was the Tour of Poland won by Peter Sagan, am I right? What was his GC position in the Vuelta? It's almost as though they were different races.
 
Parker said:
ColonelKidneyBeans said:
Parker said:
Benotti69 said:
Compare that with pre-epo riders who won GTs. All performed well from the start.
How many came from a country that had no pro cyclists, ever?
Froome learned everything between the tour of Poland and the Vuelta ofc. Now that makes sense.
That was the Tour of Poland won by Peter Sagan, am I right? What was his GC position in the Vuelta? It's almost as though they were different races.
It's almost as tough Froome has no results in his WT career before that Vuelta, apart from his second place at the 2010 ITT NC (against such a stellar field) . And yeah they were different races, but Froome sure as hell was a different rider between those. Nothing screams future GT contender like getting dropped on every stage with the slightest hill. I could have used any race in Froome career before that Vuelta, Poland is just a good marker because of temporal proximity, in three weeks he goes from Kennaugh invisible domestique finishing every stage with the slightest difficulty well behind,to nearly winning the Vuelta while domestiquing for Wiggins. Does that make any sense?
 
Re: Re:

ColonelKidneyBeans said:
Yep, and there can be a mix of reasons why he took significantly too much that day (the threshold is rather generous), maybe he is both legitimately asthmatic and on oral salbutamol for weight loss/anabolic effects, had an asthma crisis, took too much on the puffer and the combined dose sent him overboard, maybe he made a mistake with his tablets (it would not surprise me if he took a lot of medicines/supplements, both legit and illegal), maybe his doping doc made a stupid miscalculation and told him that he could up his dosage after the los machucos bad day, maybe... But one thing is sure, that salbutamol didn't come out of nowhere and the probability of having some kind of intermittent kidney failure while trashing the competition sounds... yeah i'm gonna stay with "improbable"

This ^

Remember the saying that antidoping is basically an IQ test? The basic premise being, more than likely, you are either catching dummies, easy fish, or someone who made a mistake. Froome would fall into category 3. And if you follow someone enough, everyone makes mistakes.
 
Parker said:
MartinGT said:
thehog said:
Prato Nevoso, last time Froome climbed this mountain was TdF 2008, he finished in the autobus with big guys like McEwen and O'Grady
127th, 21 minutes behind the GC guys

This is why we love the Dawg, certainly not a Simon Yates in his mid-20’s :cool:

Yeh they put that stat up today during the race. He was the worse one IIRC out of the guys currently still racing in the race doing it. Yet totally glossed over by Kirby et al
He was a first year pro doing his first world tour level stage race.

Yates also did the Tour in his first season. He was fourth last on one mountain stage, nearly forty minutes down. When he abandoned he was 83rd on GC, co-incidentally the exact position Froome finished his debut Tour in.

Name one, just one, performance pre-Vuelta 2011 which suggested Froome was at the very very upper end of the human physiological spectrum and one of the best GT riders the world has known? Just one?
 

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