Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[SHAD0W93]

For all this talk of proof and lack there of showing they are clean, the only way Sky and Froome are going to go down (if they are doping) is the USPS and Armstrong route. Before the ruling, the vast majority thought USPS and Armstrong was clean. But that proof only happened because Armstrong was a *** to everyone, unretired, and pissed Landis off. Without those Armstrong would still be clean in the majorities eyes. Froome and Sky don't seem as egotistic as Armstrong and USPS in my opinion.

Now if there was a button that revealed all there was about Froome and Sky, I would think the one's that were claiming they are doping would be happier than the fans of him and the team. The doping crowd wants proof and they would have gotten it either outcome but would have to swallow their pride about being wrong. The fans on the other hand would be elated they were right this whole time or devastated that they were lied too. Now of course there will be a small sum on each side that this doesn't apply too.

Froome doesn't have to release his personal health information to the public. but what he has released has had discrepancies that can't be written off as forgetting a piece of information. All this proof of doping that his defenders want will most likely never happen because either they were clean and legit or he and Sky have an Armstrong and USPS fall from grace.

 

[macbindle]

It's all about PR management. With the data release Froome and Sky weren't trying to change the minds of people in the Clinic. Much like Trump and the MAGA crowd, Sky were playing to their fans, not their detractors.

 

[gregrowlerson]

It's all about PR management. With the data release Froome and Sky weren't trying to change the minds of people in the Clinic. Much like Trump and the MAGA crowd, Sky were playing to their fans, not their detractors.

This.

It is easy to forget that 'The Clinic' is a puny place as far as population is concerned.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Parker,

"Stupid" & "Clown"

Ball not man

 

[Sciatic]

Parker,


Ball not man

Just realized this metaphor doesn’t work for Rugby or American football fans

 

[topcat]

Just realized this metaphor doesn’t work for Rugby or American football fans

When I heard it I thought of taking man and ball in rugby and Gaelic games which receives high praise

 

[macbindle]

This.

It is easy to forget that 'The Clinic' is a puny place as far as population is concerned.

I wouldn't use the word 'puny', I'd use the word 'unknown'.

Its a highly niche forum, with niche issues discussed in great depth and great detail. Some of the posting is highly informed, some isn't. The encyclopaedic knowledge of some posters is quite impressive.

Yes, some people jump to conclusions, and there is a tendency towards confirmation bias and a somewhat prismatic view of everything, but within all of this is some real knowledge and quality.

The one thing I do know about the British public is that they are just like everyone else...they don't know much about niche issues like the underlying problems with Team Sky.

But...if it comes up in conversation, despite some of the more frantic anti-British rhetoric on here, my experience is that they are very open and interested, and not anywhere near as dogmatically nationalistic as a few clinic posters would have you believe

 

[RinTinTin]

It will be interesting to see how much the Clinic will put Israel Start Up Nation under scrutiny next year now that Froome is there.
Just putting it out there......

 

[red_flanders]

It will be interesting to see how much the Clinic will put Israel Start Up Nation under scrutiny next year now that Froome is there.
Just putting it out there......

I'm curious, can you explain why that will be interesting? I don't want to make an assumption.

 

[Oldermanish]

I'm curious, can you explain why that will be interesting? I don't want to make an assumption.

It may prove to be very, very not interesting in any case.

 

[pastronef]

maybe Rintintin expect a higher interest in Israel´s politics and Palestine situation, same as when the environmental and petrol interest raised sky high when Ineos came in as the new sponsor for Froome´s team last year

 

[Oldermanish]

maybe Rintintin expect a higher interest in Israel´s politics and Palestine situation, same as when the environmental and petrol interest raised sky high when Ineos came in as the new sponsor for Froome´s team last year

But Ineos is making an electric vehicle. Doesn't that make them all better?

 

[TheSpud]

Froome almost a minute down after the Romandie prologue (4km) - what did he do, walk round?

 

[webvan]

They showed him in the climb at the end and yeah, basically he was "on foot", zero power, the more it goes, the worse it gets...He's finally admitted that he "wasn't seeing the same numbers in training as in the past", previously it was like "gee I wonder what's going on, the numbers look great".

I wouldn't be surprised if he is DNS for the TDF to avoid embarrassing himself even more. That has to be one of the worst come backs in sports ever.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

He's at altitude all the time, training hard in big blocks. If he was going to get better it would be slowly happening already, instead it's getting worse.

Heavier than before, no Ineos marginal gains, leg shattered. He will be retired soon if he can't find a way to get results.

 

[masking_agent]

he looked awful on that Factor as well. His position appears to have changed a bit . Definitely unlike his position on his former Bollide. Also his lack of clenbuterol dosing is showing in his results. Until his new doctor finds a substitute, I'm afraid his career is done.

 

[red_flanders]

It may prove to be very, very not interesting in any case.

So far it's really un-interesting. As it should be with Froome, who never should have been remotely interesting.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Froome watch

 

[MartinGT]

Punching tickets like its going out of fashion

 

[Ripper]

Phoning it in big time.

This is pretty much a no win situation. He either is so bad that he will fight to make the time cuts if he indeed goes to the tour, or he will turn it around in such outrageous fashion that the suspension of disbelief necessary to explain it away would be magnitudes higher than ever before.

As for the olympics? Not a reasonable possibility

 

[MartinGT]

He's apparently a minute down on the main bunch today.

Told Swiss jurnos he's been doing a lot of weights and core work so a little overweight because of that.

Yeh, ok. Nothing to do with you been off the slimming gear.

 

[carolina]

He had a puncture.

 

[webvan]

When it rains it pours...

 

[red_flanders]

He's apparently a minute down on the main bunch today.

Told Swiss jurnos he's been doing a lot of weights and core work so a little overweight because of that.

Yeh, ok. Nothing to do with you been off the slimming gear.

He said he put on upper body muscle because of the rehab work.

Laughable.

Or true and he's actually the stupidest person to every throw a leg over a bike. Take your pick. I'll go with laughable.

 

[webvan]

In one of his videos Horner speculated that maybe he wasn't recovering well and therefore had to eat more, it happened to him apparently after his accident in the tunnel in 2014...