Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[the sceptic]

http://mobile.lemonde.fr/sport/arti...rmstrong-et-ullrich-en-2003_3444094_3242.html

My french isnt too strong but what i gathered is that Froome is a mutant

 

[beowulf]

I am very suspicious of Froome and believe he is doping (he looks like Rasmussen did when he was out of control), but I found this brief interview by Kimmage with Frankie Andreu interesting.

Frankie does not seem to be quite so certain.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/kimmage/day-12-of-paul-kimmages-tour-de-france-diary-29401411.html

Sorry if this has been posted before, but it is really hard to keep up with this forum.

 

[EnacheV]

http://mobile.lemonde.fr/sport/arti...rmstrong-et-ullrich-en-2003_3444094_3242.html

My french isnt too strong but what i gathered is that Froome is a mutant

Antoine Vayer, ex-entraîneur de l'équipe Festina. isn't this one of the teams busted in the past years?

and again those meaningless watts / kg things

just watched few Froome interviews, never knew exactly who this guy is. very chill and decent, would make a good cycling hero for the next years, hopefully he is clean.

 

[vrusimov]

http://ow.ly/i/2ylYZ/original

They know a thing or seven about dedication, must be said.

The myth is growing.

And isn't that the way it all starts with some human beliefs? A myth.

 

[No_Balls]

http://mobile.lemonde.fr/sport/arti...rmstrong-et-ullrich-en-2003_3444094_3242.html

My french isnt too strong but what i gathered is that Froome is a mutant

They write that he is close to above Mutant. Beyond 450 Watt is "miraculous and beyond Mutant" while Froomes 446 is well within mutant-categori. He is in fact just 4 watts lesser then an above-Mutant category.

He is just another type of breed.

 

[BYOP88]

I am very suspicious of Froome and believe he is doping (he looks like Rasmussen did when he was out of control), but I found this brief interview by Kimmage with Frankie Andreu interesting.

Frankie does not seem to be quite so certain.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/kimmage/day-12-of-paul-kimmages-tour-de-france-diary-29401411.html

Sorry if this has been posted before, but it is really hard to keep up with this forum.

I always thought it was Betsy who was out of the trench regarding anti-soping and Frankie was down in the trench.

 

[the sceptic]

Antoine Vayer, ex-entraîneur de l'équipe Festina. isn't this one of the teams busted in the past years?

and again those meaningless watts / kg things

just watched few Froome interviews, never knew exactly who this guy is. very chill and decent, would make a good cycling hero for the next years, hopefully he is clean.

So to sum up:
W/kg is meaningless, unless they are riding at 6.0w/kg, then it is important and proves they are clean
Vayer is a jealous hater and a former cheater so nothing he says can be taken seriously
Froome never tested positive and sounds like a nice guy so he must be clean

 

[EnacheV]

I am very suspicious of Froome and believe he is doping (he looks like Rasmussen did when he was out of control), but I found this brief interview by Kimmage with Frankie Andreu interesting.

Frankie does not seem to be quite so certain.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/kimmage/day-12-of-paul-kimmages-tour-de-france-diary-29401411.html

Sorry if this has been posted before, but it is really hard to keep up with this forum.

finally a sane logical person that understand how much all those analysis numbers mean. almost nothing

 

[EnacheV]

So to sum up:
W/kg is meaningless, unless they are riding at 6.0w/kg, then it is important and proves they are clean
Vayer is a jealous hater and a former cheater so nothing he says can be taken seriously
Froome never tested positive and sounds like a nice guy so he must be clean

1. no, W/kg is meaningless, at any measuring. It's like saying carl lewis won xxxx olympics 100 meters in 9.95 secs. means nothing from doping pov

2. i dont know who the guy is, i asked

3. not "he must", i said "i hope"

 

[Boeing]

I think the ravine dive was taking it a bit too far though. Sky can't even tank in a subtle way.

they were looking for the red card

 

[Alphabet]

and again those meaningless watts / kg things

'Those meaningless watts / kg things', as you put them, are at the very core of Sky's existence. As a believer, surely you must accept all the stuff about sports science Sky feed the world? All that stuff about the importance of warm downs and the improvements that can be caused by a modified cadence or a brand new skinsuit made from some sort of superfabric, or spending time in the wind tunnel to improve time-trial performance? All of that is called sports science.

Measuring an athlete's performance through w/kg is an integral part of sports science. If you believe in Sky's 'We are clean because our science and our marginal gains are better than the others', then you by default must believe in the same sports science that produces w/kg as a valid measurement.

On the flipside, if you reject all sports science and not just the bits that don't suit the pro-Sky agenda, why do you believe in Sky?

 

[The Hitch]

Frankie says its a believeable performance because Porte paced Froome the whole way up the climb.

So if i had video proof that Frankie imagined this and Porte did not pace Froome the whole way up the climb, that would totally disprove his defense of Froome.

Here it is. 12. 20 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XunbPAVfDYc

More than 5k still left to go Froome goes on his own.

 

[EnacheV]

Maybe i wasn't clear enough

those watts/kg numbers and the like are a good tool in measuring performance, choosing best training regime, etc

but the watts/kg numbers do not reflect back to performance causes like in a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijection

simpler, good performance => high watts/kg but there is no function from watts/kg values to what cause the performance

those claims like "a human can only go up to xxx watts/kg" are ********, that's why no serious official organization takes them seriously.

ffs, they cant even measure those watts/kg numbers right, put 3 machines on same bike and you get +/- 15% differences between them

 

[airstream]

Hog, where are you from if it's not a secret. I wonder where such a huge anti doping fighters and at the same time doubly huge anti Froome fighters live.

 

[vrusimov]

Maybe i wasn't clear enough

those watts/kg numbers and the like are a good tool in measuring performance, choosing best training regime, etc

but the watts/kg numbers do not reflect back to performance causes like in a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijection

simpler, good performance => high watts/kg but there is no function from watts/kg values to what cause the performance

those claims like "a human can only go up to xxx watts/kg" are ********, that's why no serious official organization takes them seriously.

ffs, they cant even measure those watts/kg numbers right, put 3 machines on same bike and you get +/- 15% differences between them

Putting three different machines on the same bike? I assume you mean power measurement devices, which would be properly calibrated and zeroed prior to being used, thus they would be accurate to within a very small percentage. Going up a col as fast as a jacked up Armstrong just can't be explained can it? Or maybe a tailwind like on Verbier in 2009 explains it. The measurement device is meaningless anyway. All you need is a stopwatch, the grade and the rise. From that you can measure the performance against past performances, which were done the same way. If Armstrong had never been exposed, I wonder how many would accept his performances as within the range of normal human physiology.

 

[TANK91]

They write that he is close to above Mutant. Beyond 450 Watt is "miraculous and beyond Mutant" while Froomes 446 is well within mutant-categori. He is in fact just 4 watts lesser then an above-Mutant category.

He is just another type of breed.

You cant hate someone like that when your idol is a doper it don't make sense, your making accusation and your man is the DOPER ha ha. Now we know who cheated in the past watch a few interviews with Armstrong and you can tell he as that shifty look, now look at Froome he was almost crying when he got yellow that's what it means to him. Just look at dopers interveiew's when their asked about it and look at Froome's body language you will be surprised.

 

[Turner29]

The real issue is that we have no current data on which to establish reasonable power ranges. Thus, playing "Angel's Advocate," the best way for any team to dispel speculation regarding power estimates, which are highly variable, is to release power meter data. Any drift in a well-calibrated power meter should not affect readings enough to be an issue, although occasionally such might occur.

However, what then is the baseline?

 

[The Hitch]

Just look at dopers interveiew's when their asked about it and look at Froome's body language you will be surprised.

And people wonder why the Movistar threads aren't as long.

 

[Hugh Januss]

And people wonder why the Movistar threads aren't as long.

No analysis of Valverde's body language?
I had to go look at the Movistar thread, started incidentally (?) by one of the muppets who is defending Froome everywhere else, I can offer a brief synopsis to spare anyone who hasn't read it yet the 5 minute waste of their life.
OP wonders why after yesterdays stage there is nota lot of conjecture about Movistar doping.
Everyone else says "oh yeah, Movistar is doping".
Thread over.

 

[Boeing]

. Just look at dopers interveiew's when their asked about it and look at Froome's body language you will be surprised.

Interesting point. On the USA NBC Sports broadcast yesterday, they had a gal interview him before the start. She asked what seemed to be a generic question deserving a canned reply.

she asked his who he thought his rivals were now after stage 8. Froome literally couldnt give her an answer and his eyes and gaze seemed to wander all over.... he seemed stumped Not one name Froome. She then dumb-ed it down to who might make it interesting and he gave a chuckle.

at the least he is so confident he is untouchable its amusing to him. Why he is so confident is the real question

 

[LaFlorecita]

You cant hate someone like that when your idol is a doper it don't make sense, your making accusation and your man is the DOPER ha ha. Now we know who cheated in the past watch a few interviews with Armstrong and you can tell he as that shifty look, now look at Froome he was almost crying when he got yellow that's what it means to him. Just look at dopers interveiew's when their asked about it and look at Froome's body language you will be surprised.

During steak gate Alberto did some oscar worthy acting performances with his super emotional interviews. Who doesn't trust him when those big doe eyes start filling up with tears

 

[Hugh Januss]

During steak gate Alberto did some oscar worthy acting performances with his super emotional interviews. Who doesn't trust him when those big doe eyes start filling up with tears

I'd say anyone who doesn't have a silly schoolgirl crush........

 

[goggalor]

Frankie says its a believeable performance because Porte paced Froome the whole way up the climb.

So if i had video proof that Frankie imagined this and Porte did not pace Froome the whole way up the climb, that would totally disprove his defense of Froome.

Here it is. 12. 20 in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XunbPAVfDYc

More than 5k still left to go Froome goes on his own.

It's not like Porte was riding like a rabbit either. He was riding the tempo he could keep to the top, but that was far too slow for Froome (but too fast for everyone else on the planet). Frankie is just plain wrong this time.

 

[Bakhjulet]

Froome's performance on saturday was suspicious, no doubt about that. But saying his performance was as good as Armstrongs in 2001 I wouldn't agree, better to compare Froome's performance to Ullrich's. Why? Just look at this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QJXabYTLp8
(Climb starts about 1:05:00)

Armstrong follows Ullrich with ease and than explodes in the end. It's clear he had much more in the tank. If Armstrong would have gone full *** from where Froome went his time would have been much better. Ullrich on the other hand seems to go full *** from pretty far out, just like Froome, and their times are pretty equal.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I'd say anyone who doesn't have a silly schoolgirl crush........

Haha lol I was just kidding man my point was that dopers can also be very good at acting.