Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Mont Vonteux]

what stats? Please be specific. W never showed him as an excellent climber, W never showed he can handle sudden acceleration like Froom produced today.

Into a headwind in 09 Wiggins was only 10 seconds slower. And that was when Wiggins wasn't as good as he is today. Would have easily been able to work his way back to Froome.

People forget that Wiggins was sick during the Giro. He was the favorite going in. He's the only guy in the world right now that can challenger Froome.

 

[the sceptic]

Into a headwind in 09 Wiggins was only 10 seconds slower. And that was when Wiggins wasn't as good as he is today. Would have easily been able to work his way back to Froome.

People forget that Wiggins was sick during the Giro. He was the favorite going in. He's the only guy in the world right now that can challenger Froome.

Which previously banned troll are you?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

1) But I have never been on "the wrong side of the argument", because I've never publicly claimed to know who is or isn't guilty of doping.

2) It's fine to be suspicious based on power data...I just don't think we know enough about what is or isn't possible (as well as what people have/haven't actually done) to draw any definitive conclusions. The latter is, as Brailsford has termed it, pseudo-science.

Pseudo-science is what this Coggan guy is peddling. How long until we find out Brailsfraud is "relying" on Coggan for proof of Sky's "clean" cycling?

 

[Benotti69]

what stats? Please be specific. W never showed him as an excellent climber, W never showed he can handle sudden acceleration like Froom produced today.

and Wiggins can no longer descend.

 

[luckyboy]

Piece on Froome by Kimmage, wondering what we are seeing here - http://www.independent.ie/sport/kimmage/questions-all-the-way-home-29418540.html

He really didn't know who Virenque was when he met him?!

 

[Mont Vonteux]

and Wiggins can no longer descend.

How do you think Froome would descend in a monsoon every day?

This tour is perfect conditions. Wiggins thrives on that.

 

[Grayguard]

Into a headwind in 09 Wiggins was only 10 seconds slower. And that was when Wiggins wasn't as good as he is today. Would have easily been able to work his way back to Froome.

People forget that Wiggins was sick during the Giro. He was the favorite going in. He's the only guy in the world right now that can challenger Froome.

Whether it's your intention or not, you're at least supporting the suspicions that Team Sky is systematically doping. While I believe most riders are doping, I believe Sky is the (only?) team doing it systematically atm.

 

[lemoogle]

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/

Thats for the full ventoux climb which is what we should be looking at.

Of course people are trying to get the time where Froome looks the fastest so people are posting now 15km from the top where vetoo says 48:35 and other estimations give 49:00 plus or minus.

The record however is 45:47, with pantani also at 46, confirmed by Portoelau/Vayer.

Anyways it seems no one actually gives a **** ...

Except all the times faster than froome are from an ITT of Ventoux..... how is that remotely comparable.
I heard 57minutes something for the full climb, please tell me how froome isnt the fastest.

 

[Mont Vonteux]

Whether it's your intention or not, you're at least supporting the suspicions that Team Sky is systematically doping. While I believe most riders are doping, I believe Sky is the (only) team doing it systematically atm.

Not really. Wiggins and Froome would ride away on their own today, but the rest of the team would struggle.

 

[Benotti69]

Froome 2nd fastest for last 15k of Ventoux

http://www.fillarifoorumi.fi/forum/...km-h-VAM-W-W-kg-etc-%29&p=2061073#post2061073

MONT VENTOUX (last 15.65 km [from St. Esteve], 8.74 %, 1368 m)

----TOP 50 LIST

-1. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 48:33 | 2002
-2. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 48:35 | 2013
-3. Andy Schleck _________ LUX | 48.57 | 2009
-4. Alberto Contador _____ ESP | 48:57 | 2009
-5. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 49:00 | 2009
-6. Marco Pantani ________ ITA | 49:01 | 2000
-7. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 49:01 | 2000
-8. Frank Schleck ________ LUX | 49:02 | 2009
-9. Nairo Quintana _______ COL | 49:04 | 2013
10. Roman Kreuziger ______ CZE | 49:05 | 2009

11. Franco Pellizotti ____ ITA | 49:15 | 2009
12. Vincenzo Nibali ______ ITA | 49:17 | 2009
13. Bradley Wiggins ______ GBR | 49:22 | 2009
14. Joseba Beloki ________ ESP | 49:26 | 2000
15. Jan Ullrich __________ GER | 49:30 | 2000
16. Raimondas Rumsas _____ LTU | 49:49 | 2002
17. Roberto Heras ________ ESP | 49:49 | 2000
18. Ivan Basso ___________ ITA | 49:52 | 2002
19. Mikel Nieve __________ ESP | 49:58 | 2013
20. Joaquim Rodriguez ____ ESP | 49:58 | 2013

Mont Ventoux, last 6.15 km
2000 | Marco Pantani: 18 min 11 sec
2013 | Chris Froome: 17 min 41 sec

 

[Grayguard]

Not really. Wiggins and Froome would ride away on their own today, but the rest of the team would struggle.

Porte dropping ALL but Contador is not suspicious then? Hmm....

 

[Cyivel]

Except all the times faster than froome are from an ITT of Ventoux..... how is that remotely comparable.
I heard 57minutes something for the full climb, please tell me how froome isnt the fastest.

I heard 59:00 was the full climb which taking out the time trials would put him

1994: 57:34 Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h
2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
2002: 59:00 Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h
2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h

 

[maxmartin]

You'll never know. What you will know is that Wiggens beat Froome last year in the TDF. He also beat him squarely in the Olympic TT. Wiggins has a palmares that Froome can only dream of at the moment.

I don't dispute that the Froome we are seeing at the moment might re-write the record books though....the operative word being "might".

I would not call that beaten, in Froom's own words "he sacrificed himself for the good of the team". If Froom was allowed to get into full throttle, I can't say what the result would be.

 

[lemoogle]

I heard 59:00 was the full climb which taking out the time trials would put him

1994: 57:34 Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h
2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
2002: 59:00 Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h
2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h

Ah right, I hadn't seen that number, I was basing myself on the France 2 commentary announcing 57 something. maybe I misheard.

 

[Cyivel]

Except all the times faster than froome are from an ITT of Ventoux..... how is that remotely comparable.
I heard 57minutes something for the full climb, please tell me how froome isnt the fastest.

I heard the time was 59:00, which not including the time trials would put him at I believe

1994: 57:34 Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h
2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
2002: 59:00 Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h
2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h

 

[lemoogle]

I heard 59:00 was the full climb which taking out the time trials would put him

1994: 57:34 Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h
2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
2002: 59:00 Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h
2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h

Ah right, I hadn't seen that number, I was basing myself on the France 2 commentary announcing 57 something. maybe I misheard. Still, not slow.

 

[Bala Verde]

Funny that it took half a Saxo team, including 2 top 10 riders, and 2 Belkin top 10 riders, to distance Froome just 1:09 in a flat stage.

Mano-a-mano he leaves them in the dust by 1.5 to 2 minutes.

Conclusion: Froome is slightly weaker than the combined forces of a collaborative of 4 TdF top 10 riders working together?

 

[Mont Vonteux]

Except all the times faster than froome are from an ITT of Ventoux..... how is that remotely comparable.
I heard 57minutes something for the full climb, please tell me how froome isnt the fastest.

No, it was about 49, give or take a few seconds. That puts him the same as the times in 09 into a head wind. Today was a tailwind all the way up. So in reality he was perhaps a minute behind Contador's 09 performance given the conditions.

 

[the sceptic]

Upon rewatching it looks like strong crosswinds in the final Kms

 

[oldcrank]

Porte dropping ALL but Contador is not suspicious then? Hmm....

Today Richard Julian Porte finished 15th.

 

[Bala Verde]

Lol

de "Telegraaf" (dutch newspaper) headlines:

FROOME EXTRATERRESTRIAL ON VENTOUX

Is that code?

 

[arvc40]

You know, I agree. They should. They can't say something they don't know, but we have seen them speak up more in the past year. What I find interesting is that all the big anti-doper names seem to be on board that Sky is clean, and Froome by extension. Walsh, Lemond anyway. Haven't heard a peep out of Ashenden in ages. Whatshisname - the French guy who wrote the 21 riders article/book - Vayer - has as many or more people "in the know" throwing spitwads at him as he does people sending him Salve Ceasars.

It seems the only thing we have is times/power output, and some bad PR moves by Brailsford. Unfortunately for Contador, I believe his performances since 2009 have proven the case against him, and this year is no exception. Schleck is in the same boat. So they've had to cut back or cut out artificial aid - and Froome can beat them.

What also gets me is that Rogers is still the incredible road captain even if he is not on Sky. Consistency in spite of a change in teams. That leads me to increase the likelihood of Sky being clean as they claim, and Froome by extension. Also, since Rogers jumped ship - if Sky were doing something, I would expect Riis and Contador to be doing it now. Which leaves me with, unfortunately, Froome looking clean.

I don't like it, I don't like Froome, and I don't know why. I am suspicious, but there is less and less evidence of something dodgy. There is not MORE evidence. A fast time by itself does NOT mean a doped performance. If there is dope, we should be seeing smoke somewhere, and we aren't getting any smoke.

<<sniff, sniff>> What's that smell, dog?
I and i, bro. Jah made the herb!

Intresting

 

[Grayguard]

Today Richard Julian Porte finished 15th.

Ehh, after Froome went on the offensive, Porte hardly had any reason to NOT conserve his strength. Where he finished doesn't seem to matter much.
EDIT: Unless he wanted to ride for the stage win against his captain ofc.

 

[maxmartin]

Lol

de "Telegraaf" (dutch newspaper) headlines:

FROOME EXTRATERRESTRIAL ON VENTOUX

Is that code?

if that is not the code, what would be considered the code?

 

[Benotti69]

I want to see the weather report for the exact time of Froome's climb before I believe that is was a tailwind.

I watched it live and the flags on campercans were not showing a tailwind.