Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[patswana]

You could be a specialist of tropical diseases , but you can't write bilharzia properly , and you did it twice .

Before going to college , you have to go through grammar school , don't you????

I only ever call it schistosomiasis. Bilharzia is an African word, not an English one.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

that is not true.
He was far of the dopers, and the wind was different that ussual.
And you must know that the real champions go close to the dopers, as Sastre or Evans did.

LOL @ this post.

 

[Taxus4a]

Some journalist ought to ask Froome about his TUEs , how many he's got , and what they are .

They are claiming they want to be transparent , then they have to come clean with Froome's TUEs .

Froome has not any TUE

 

[victorschipolrijk]

Before you criticize someone's grammar, you should learn how to use punctuation.

Why don't you teach me ????????????

 

[bewildered]

I wrote in my article already about that.
The most likely date for that is 2008 or 2009, so you are not well informed, or at least you are not up to date.

The rest is ok. But anyway there is a lot more to say about that disease to clarify why he was so long time wuthout a diagnosis, andn did not realize.
And it is normal not realize.

So you know more about when Froome got the disease than Froome himself?!

 

[patswana]

Is it common to need periodic re-treatment with praziquantel? Can the parasites go 'dormant' and then return? Or does a single treatment regimen completely rid the body of the parasites?

Only concern is re-infection post treatment. Appropriate dose will kill the parasites outright. There have been some slightly resistant strains in Senegal that needed bigger doses. Not in Kenya though.

 

[Stradebianche]

Thanks. So from Mudbone's timeline:-

Nov/Dec 2009 ('probably') contracts Bilharzia
Winter 2010 Leinders joins Sky
Dec 2010 Bilharzia diagnosed (and presumably treated)
First half of 2011 gradual improvement in results, contract renewal uncertain
Aug/Sept 2011 Vuelta dramatic improvement
Sept 2011 Contract renewed and Bilharzia first disclosed to public (?)

When did it become public knowledge that Leinders had joined Sky?

Around the time of last years TDF from memory,he was still on the books then but not present at the tour.
The given reason for Leinders hiring was the sad death of the soigneur at the Vuelta 2010 and the rest of the team going down with a virus.That would have been several months before he actually started work though so his apppearance might coincide more with CF and his disorder.Pure speculation of course !
He was only contracted to work 80 days a year and did not attend tours from info i have read.

 

[the sceptic]

LOL @ this post.

Impressive to be so wrong about everything to be honest

 

[patswana]

So the quote from Brailsford at the bottom of this article is misinformed ?

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...e-still-treated-for-bilharzia-parasite_295548

From a medical perspective, there are a lot of strange statements there.

 

[Taxus4a]

LOL @ this post.

It is a serious issue to find something funny in it.

So if you dont have more solid arguments, shup up.

Your nick

 

[victorschipolrijk]

Froome has not any TUE

How do you know that ???

Are you privy to all medical records ??

It would be great to have someone here with that knowledge .

 

[BroDeal]

that is not true.
He was far of the dopers, and the wind was different that ussual.
And you must know that the real champions go close to the dopers, as Sastre or Evans did.

Froome make benefit glorious Britain of empire.

 

[Taxus4a]

Impressive to be so wrong about everything to be honest

I realize I could ignore your post, so I will do.
You have your last oportunity giving arguments in 5 minutes.

 

[bewildered]

there's a quoted tweet from today a few pages back which states that Froome said today that he has no TUEs

 

[the sceptic]

I realize I could ignore your post, so I will do.
You have your last oportunity giving arguments in 5 minutes.

Whats the point? you just keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again anyway no matter how many times people tell you you are wrong

 

[bewildered]

From UpToDate: Dose — S. haematobium, S. mansoni, and S. intercalatum infections can be treated with 40 mg/kg of praziquantel in one or two doses, whereas the recommended dose for S. japonicum and S. mekongi is 60 mg/kg in two or three doses at least three hours apart

I am a specialist in tropical medicine and I regularly treat patients with bilhazia.

The symptoms of long term bilhazia are predominantly due to scarring - e.g., around the liver or the bladder. Praziquantel stops further scarring but does not repair old scarring. Thus treatment just stops you getting worse.

Patswana not sure I understand you fully. Are you saying that the treatment is 1-3 doses only? If so, what do you mean by 'long-term bilharzia? Do you mean that only the scarring needs long-term treatment? if so, does scarring or long-term bilharzia affect red blood cells? Thanks

 

[Taxus4a]

Froome make benefit glorious Britain of empire.

You will say the same when anti imprearialist Eritrean will win Froome and everybody?

Froome is not riding from Kenya becouse his federation lelf him.. he has nothing with empires... that is stupid, he is a man growing with David Kinja in the north Nairobi Nat Park wildlife.

Dont be racist, I am more antiimperialist than Chavez, so I dont like to read that stupid things, I know how is ruled the world, but you are wrong this time.

 

[mudbone]

I wrote in my article already about that.
The most likely date for that is 2008 or 2009, so you are not well informed, or at least you are not up to date....

that's a long article! don't have the time to go through it properly now, but i certainly will do.

regarding your point, i've just tried to establish a time line using froome's own quotes. as he said it was likely he had it around a year before the diagnosis (but it is hard to tell exactly how long, as you also state) i put 09/10 to encompass the general time span before the diagnosis date.

 

[Taxus4a]

Whats the point? you just keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again anyway no matter how many times people tell you you are wrong

and you say the same nonsense over and over...
What I say have a sense.
Where is the proof of Sastre and Evans winning with doping?
there is a lot of evidence they were clean

 

[Balabar]

Why don't you teach me ????????????

There should not be a space between a word and punctuation that follows it. You only need to use one question mark.

Try to keep the conversation polite. Patswana was trying to contribute useful information.

 

[the sceptic]

and you say the same nonsense over and over...
What I say have a sense.
Where is the proof of Sastre and Evans winning with doping?
there is a lot of evidence they were clean

Where did Evans climb as fast as Armstrong? I can maybe believe he was clean, but thats a big maybe

Sastre, no way

 

[Taxus4a]

that's a long article! don't have the time to go through it properly now, but i certainly will do.

regarding your point, i've just tried to establish a time line using froome's own quotes. as he said it was likely he had it around a year before the diagnosis (but it is hard to tell exactly how long, as you also state) i put 09/10 to encompass the general time span before the diagnosis date.

To read that part of my article (look bilharzia, there is a picture) is five minutes.
Froome said differents things, I put it there all. He really didnt know...

 

[Balabar]

Only concern is re-infection post treatment. Appropriate dose will kill the parasites outright. There have been some slightly resistant strains in Senegal that needed bigger doses. Not in Kenya though.

So unless Froome is continuously going back to Kenya and getting re-infected, his story of getting multiple treatments for bilharzia doesn't make much sense, correct?

 

[victorschipolrijk]

I only ever call it schistosomiasis. Bilharzia is an African word, not an English one.

Bilharzia , congrats , you finally got it right .

I'm sorry ,but I have to disappoint you one more time , BILHARZIA comes from Theodor Bilharz , German zoologist .

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Patswana not sure I understand you fully. Are you saying that the treatment is 1-3 doses only? If so, what do you mean by 'long-term bilharzia? Do you mean that only the scarring needs long-term treatment? if so, does scarring or long-term bilharzia affect red blood cells? Thanks

Long-term means the symptoms are misdiagnosed or not detected, and hence the parasite is in the body long-term.