Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Galic Ho]

Yeah because Froome winning is so much more normal. gtfo

The tone from Foxxy was uncovered last week. Racial dislike of Southern Europeans. Add in Jamaicans as well.

Wouldn't have ever figured it out if he didn't go to extreme lengths to mark his dislike not on character, but simply racial decent. Really sad and hopefully not indicative of wider Germany.

You ain't fooling anyone Foxxy, so stop posting the Spanish hate. People dislike Froome because he's doping level is from another planet. You dislike the Spaniards because they are Spanish. You made it crystal clear last week.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

This is a replay of early-times in the Armstrong sports fraud only just a bit slower than go-go EPO years. So, we're just going to wait around while alien performances are happening again?



The fact that this year-round peloton destruction has no lower-ranked results to back it all up should be clue #1 your uncertainty about Sky's doping is not warranted.

When does it get suspicious? Four wins in a row for Sky? 7 wins?

When they come, win and then dissapear for the rest of the year (wow, it rhymes ). Like LA, DiLuca, Mosquera to name a few.
Again, i can´t imagine how a year around BB program can be orchestered....

In the old days (pre blood transfusions/Epo), riders indeed performed all year long on a certain level (be it high as Hinault, middle like Gölz, or low like the no mame domestiques). Pretty normal...

 

[Jahudor]

This is an interesting angle on Froome's ability (or lack thereof) to stand up to external pressure applied. I think you are correct that Froome would be an easier person to wear down. My point is a bit different, in that I think Froome won't be exposed to the same external pressure to begin with as compared to Lance, particularly from people he (LA) burned like Landis, Betsy, LeMond, Emma O'Reilly) precisly since Froome is too "normal" to be so horrible as Lance was as to create potential enemies such as them in the first place (how is that for a run-on sentence?). These enemies were a significant source of the external pressure put on Lance I was aluding to.

I don't think Froome will create these enemies like Lance, and therefore won't be exposed to that same pressure.

You might be right about that, however I have always wondered how much frustation certain riders experience when they realize they are much more naturally talented, but are being outperformed by team mates who benefit from doping more. It is a well known fact that doping elevates the performance of certain rides much more than others. I can imagine that Wiggins and perhaps even Porte are not very happy with that sudden leap in performance by Froome. Don't get me wrong, I don't for a single second think they are clean, but I think they are more naturally talented. But one can never be sure.

My point is that I think that all riders have a clear picture of the natural 'hierarchy' and the modified one. And if these two are too far apart that will bring tension. Maybe it already did between Wiggins and Froome. Also, Hamilton wrote about that, in his relation with Armstrong. At a certain point in time he got the better training results.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

I'm really hoping Froome goes sub-38 on L'Alpe.

If we're doing this, let's go BIG.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So its easier to win year round clean than it is doped? Got you.

Exactly...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

so Wiggins was dirty at Garmin but clean at sky?

You might have missed some of my posts last year. Yes, i don´t trust Wiggins. Never did since 2009. And he isn´t even likeable. Kinda was on the same path like LA in his arrogant ways. Good that he is gone somewhat...

 

[Bexon30]

Maybe someone can help me as I've been at the stage today. I'm looking for in specific coverage of Froomes ascent of the cote du Reallon, the last 5km I know they had a motorcycle and camera following him..... Cheers

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

The tone from Foxxy was uncovered last week. Racial dislike of Southern Europeans. Add in Jamaicans as well.

Wouldn't have ever figured it out if he didn't go to extreme lengths to mark his dislike not on character, but simply racial decent. Really sad and hopefully not indicative of wider Germany.

You ain't fooling anyone Foxxy, so stop posting the Spanish hate. People dislike Froome because he's doping level is from another planet. You dislike the Spaniards because they are Spanish. You made it crystal clear last week.

Show me those posts were i was racial about jamaicans or spaniards. Since i always had good discussions with you i give you the benefit of the doubt, since you might be a little hot tempered now, seeing another a so-called "alien performance" by Froome...

But to play the racial card is a old trick to shut down opinions. Really don´t like that.

 

[Deagol]

You might be right about that, however I have always wondered how much frustation certain riders experience when they realize they are much more naturally talented, but are being outperformed by team mates who benefit from doping more. It is a well known fact that doping elevates the performance of certain rides much more than others. I can imagine that Wiggins and perhaps even Porte are not very happy with that sudden leap in performance by Froome. Don't get me wrong, I don't for a single second think they are clean, but I think they are more naturally talented. But one can never be sure.

My point is that I think that all riders have a clear picture of the natural 'hierarchy' and the modified one. And if these two are too far apart that will bring tension. Maybe it already did between Wiggins and Froome. Also, Hamilton wrote about that, in his relation with Armstrong. At a certain point in time he got the better training results.

Yes, and also the friction between Christian VDV and Armstrong due to VDV testing higher on certain metrics than LA while at USPS.

Who is the most talented rider on Sky naturally ? Maybe we will never know...

 

[The Hitch]

Exactly...

I understand now. If you gave Froome epo he would immediately stop winning. Its that belief in the superiority of cleanliness that keeps him winning.

 

[Red Lobster]

Who is the most talented rider on Sky naturally ? Maybe we will never know...

Sure we do. EBH.

 

[DirtyWorks]

When they come, win and then dissapear for the rest of the year (wow, it rhymes ). Like LA, DiLuca, Mosquera to name a few.

Wiggins?

Again, i can´t imagine how a year around BB program can be orchestered....

Why not? It's not a crime. The UCI, ASO, Sky all benefit. There so little to discourage the determined athlete and team management.

In the old days (pre blood transfusions/Epo), riders indeed performed all year long on a certain level (be it high as Hinault, middle like Gölz, or low like the no mame domestiques). Pretty normal...

And Hinault, like other peloton destroyers before EPO, had lower-ranked results totally consistent with their elite performances. Froome did not display this kind of superiority until his time at Sky. To be fair, some Sky riders do have history of great riding in lower ranks. (ex. Uran, Kennaugh)

 

[Jahudor]

I understand now. If you gave Froome epo he would immediately stop winning. Its that belief in the superiority of cleanliness that keeps him winning.

You still don't know that it is all about faith and hard work in sport, and also 'sleeping on volcanos' helps? Good for the spirit. Nothing better than PETs - performance enhancing thoughts.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I understand now. If you gave Froome epo he would immediately stop winning. Its that belief in the superiority of cleanliness that keeps him winning.

Ok, i was wrong. I tought you got it...

In short: BB in, out, freeze, replace again and again. Isn´t that a little hard to do year round?? And w/o up/down/up performances??
Hope it´s clear now.

 

[Galic Ho]

Show me those posts were i was racial about jamaicans or spaniards. Since i always had good discussions with you i give you the benefit of the doubt, since you might be a little hot tempered now, seeing another a so-called "alien performance" by Froome...

But to play the racial card is a old trick to shut down opinions. Really don´t like that.

Cry us all a river. You've made it very very very clear you're only here to rub in Froome winning over people who you assumed cheer for Spaniards.

Your tone was made very clear. One of your posts, which there have been a ton of BTW, was so bad, I for the first time almost asked a mod to delete it. Was pure racist tripe against Spaniards. So get mad, but you've played all your cards here in the Clinic. You're not here for Clean cycling, you're here to rub it in the face of certain nations whom you've tarred with the slight of national doping.

Be grateful nobody here did the same thing to Germany. Where would we start and end? It'd go on forever.

BTW I am not mad, just once again, calling as it is. You use to post much better stuff. This jumping on the Froome train simply because you dislike the Spaniards is getting old dude. You're capable of much better.

If you think this is wrong, why not ask the older forum members if they saw the same tone and dislike from you over the last week and half? You'll be surprised how many noticed. Just like Froome, you're not playing your hand very well at all. You're showing far too much.

Worse, by backing Froome, whatever credibility you had, well it's pretty much shot. Think about where that puts you. You're siding in the Clinic, with the crazies, against the Clinic 12. Just think about the statistical odds of you NOT getting egg all over your face. Numbers are so far against you it isn't funny. Oh but you get to laugh at the Spanish! Enjoy it while it lasts, because when they strip Froome of everything, guess who wins? The Spanish!

 

[Jahudor]

Sure we do. EBH.

He might be. Maybe they could transform him into in GT contender. Rumors say he doesn't mind losing a few pounds, but he refuses to swim in an obscure lake in Kenya to get his infection.

 

[H2OUUP2]

I'm really hoping Froome goes sub-38 on L'Alpe.

If we're doing this, let's go BIG.

I'm with you, Izzy.

Make it a sub 37' for the hell of it.

Let's just do this thing. Let's see what he's really "made" of. I want to see it. It's actually hilarious entertainment.

 

[red_flanders]

Good point. But then these guys should hate JV and GAR much more. The original brand of a "clean team", transforming Wiggins into a podium guy (previously best result 125th in a GT )

I'd politely suggest that telling people who they should "hate" isn't going to get much traction.

If you think Garmin has issues no worries, but I'd not expect others to share them or have it be at the same level of concern RE: a 4th (or 3rd) place finish years ago versus someone who is destroying the competition right now.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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Phvuck. Stop your allegations. SHOW ME ONE ****ING POST were i am racial.
Ok, i cry you a river for once. But you´ll be watered for three weeks by "alien performances".

 

[DirtyWorks]

I'm with you, Izzy.

Make it a sub 37' for the hell of it.

Let's just do this thing. Let's see what he's really "made" of. I want to see it. It's actually hilarious entertainment.

Nooo. Froome can lose a few seconds and claim he's under pressure. Save it for the day before the end with the mountain top finish. What drama! Like entertainment wrestling funded by tourism boards.

 

[red_flanders]

As mentioned, personal attacks will result in bans. I've dropped enough warnings in this thread. Please don't anyone else take it up. Thanks.

 

[Red Lobster]

Rumors say he doesn't mind losing a few pounds, but he refuses to swim in an obscure lake in Kenya to get his infection.

He needs to be more "professional" and make a few more gains at the margins.

 

[Jahudor]

He needs to be more "professional" and make a few more gains at the margins.

Don't forget he needs to learn to break smoothly in the corners of the Ventoux after 'sharply accelerating' - at the false flats of course!

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

OTOH, Ulle was a big time doper too. But still he is very much liked (me inclusive as everybody knows) outside of german mainstream media.

So after all, i still don´t get it. And, we are not even sure what (if) they do at Sky regarding doping. All that is there are suspicious (but not over the line) performances at times. But completely different to the three week riders like Armstrong. I mean Sky performes trou-out the season like it used to be in the Merckx, Hinault and Fignon days. I don´t believe the can orchester a year around BB-program...

So, it basicly come down to this with you:
* its okay if you dope if you are a nice guy

[Indurain was a nice guy, yet he and Padilla messed up a lot for the sport
Ullrich was a nice guy, see Indurain]

* my fellow countrymen made some mistakes but they said sorry so that's okay
* those damn [fill in your favourite doping nations]!!!

Yep, you really sound like anti - doping foxx.

But you had your airtime, no its time for the nice gentleman Christ.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So, it basicly come down to this with you:
* its okay if you dope if you are a nice guy

[Indurain was a nice guy, yet he and Padilla messed up a lot for the sport
Ullrich was a nice guy, see Indurain]

* my fellow countrymen made some mistakes but they said sorry so that's okay
* those damn [fill in your favourite doping nations]!!!

Yep, you really sound like anti - doping foxx.

But you had your airtime, no its time for the nice gentleman Christ.

Even some members of the clinic 12 like Ullrich. So what´s wrong about it?
Where did i write that it´s ok to dope?
Does Walsh encourage doping now, since he alledgedly "jumped the Sky/Froome bandwaggon" too?