Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[D-Queued]

Apparently Steven Spielberg has donated the original ET Kuwaharas to Brailsford as a token of his admiration for the show being put on.

The team will ride them into Paris just for sh1ts and giggles. Porte will lead out Froome to drub Cav in the finale. Brailsford has promised him a 500k bonus if he hits 90km/h over the line. Extra 100k if he breaks the cadence sensor.

So true.

Froome today... switches bikes... wins...

Hahahaha

This is so much better than full ***.

By far and away the most entertaining Tour in decades.

Next trick: Blindfolded MTB unicycle on single-track.

Dave.

 

[Deagol]

... it might be more constructive to think of it as hating what Froome is doing to cycling, not hating Froome the man, ....

Thank you. Although I would insert (the name of any doper and their enablers) to the spot where the name of Froome is listed.

 

[bewildered]

Or wikipedia might be wrong.


It indeed does.
But their source [14] (http://web.archive.org/web/20080225...ter.org/health/schistosomiasis/treatment.html) says: That´s the sole occurence of the string "annual" on that website.

Good point. the word 'prevent' is also used.

 

[One Man Grupetto]

I don't hate Froome, and certainly don't hate the British at all.
I just don't trust Froome, or Brailsford, or Sky, or Murdoch... that's all.

And I think the latter two are exactly what does it for me. It is so difficult to swallow what may be perfectly plausible about clean, ethical cycling when you are promoting a dirty, wholly unethical organisation and are funded at the behest of a man who does not appear to have a morale compass whatsoever.

It's like trying to constantly convince your wife that you are not cheating on her whilst using Silvio Berlusconi as your character witness.

 

[beowulf]

Get that point.

But how does he get so much hate? AC, Valv-Piti, Basso, etc. are still riding. They are no better (actually they might be worse).
And LA was the biggest a$$hole by far. If he rates at 10/10, Froome isn´t even a 0.5/10 on the *** scale...

I think Froome is just the focal point for people's hatred of Sky; last year it was Wiggins.

I think what rankles with so many people here is that Sky project an image of being clean when it does appear (admittedly without any hard evidence) that they are anything but clean. It is the clean facade that really vexes people.

 

[autologous]

That´s how psychos work. They can´t imagine feelings of others. That´s why we see it as arrogance. But, he can´t do any other way. A true sick man.

OTOH, they (Sky) hadn´t to teach Froome anything. A pretty normal guy who behaves normal.

Bullsh*t.

he's normal only if you define "normal" as cheating and then getting up in front of the press & cycling world day after day and denying it.

There's nothing normal about that at all.
Nothing normal about his performances.
Nothing normal about him.

Not normal.

 

[Stradebianche]

Good point. the word 'prevent' is also used.

Thats my understanding,the annual dose is a prophylactic for those who are at regular risk of infection due to habitat.

 

[Deagol]

That´s how psychos work. They can´t imagine feelings of others. That´s why we see it as arrogance. But, he can´t do any other way. A true sick man.

OTOH, they (Sky) hadn´t to teach Froome anything. A pretty normal guy who behaves normal.

No argument there. So, my conclusion is that it will be easier for a "normal guy" to get away with fraud than someone "not normal" like LA.

Maybe Froome/Sky are too smart or too "normal" to go bully everyone around. What that means is that they could get away with more.

 

[D-Queued]

Kimmage from newstalk interview tonight.

http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podca..._Highlights/27339/2/paul_kimmages_tour_report

"...what we are seeing here is shock and awe..."

Hahaha

OK, let's change the topic: I heard from Kimmage on his podcast that Froome was pushing 56x11 during the TT Now that blows my mind!!! With those puny legs Incredible!!!

And I was just about to make the joke that, having run out of gear and spun out in his 11 while riding up Ventoux to drop Contador, Froome needs a 55 or 56 chainring!!!! And that is just for the climbs.

Pure farce.

Dave.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Being a *** or a nice guy has nothing to do with it. Hamilton seems like the nicest guy you'd ever meet, but he was a full gas, big programme doper.

IMO it might be more constructive to think of it as hating what Froome is doing to cycling, not hating Froome the man, cause I doubt many here harbor feelings of hatred toward Froome himself. I also hate how Froome looks riding a bike, but that's another issue.

To be honest, I don't spend enough time in the Clinic to quantify the "hate" that any of these riders get (either deservedly or not).

From what I have seen of Froome, he is not 1/10th of the %^&*$ that Armstrong was. But I am sick of the cheating, no matter who does it (my own countryman included).

OTOH, Ulle was a big time doper too. But still he is very much liked (me inclusive as everybody knows) outside of german mainstream media.

So after all, i still don´t get it. And, we are not even sure what (if) they do at Sky regarding doping. All that is there are suspicious (but not over the line) performances at times. But completely different to the three week riders like Armstrong. I mean Sky performes trou-out the season like it used to be in the Merckx, Hinault and Fignon days. I don´t believe the can orchester a year around BB-program...

 

[bewildered]

Thats my understanding,the annual dose is a prophylactic for those who are at regular risk of infection due to habitat.

yes the annual dose is a preventative method for children in areas where bilharzia is common, not a treatment at all.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/schistosomiasis/Pages/Treatment.aspx

Treating schistosomiasis

If you are diagnosed with schistosomiasis, you will probably be admitted to hospital so that your health can be carefully monitored. This will help ensure that any serious complications you have, such as dehydration, are picked up.

The medication used to treat schistosomiasis is called praziquantel. Praziquantel works by first paralysing the worms and then dissolving their outer casing, killing them. A single dose of praziquantel is usually required.

The side effects of praziquantel are usually mild and include:

nausea
vomiting
abdominal pain

Steroid medication (corticosteroids) can also be used to relieve the symptoms of acute schistosomiasis as they help control the allergic reaction to the eggs that is responsible for the symptoms.

A further stool sample may be taken after four to six weeks to check whether there are still any eggs in your stools. If eggs are present, a further dose of praziquantel may be given.


So the annual or twice annual treatments story from Froome appears to be nonsense

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I dont think that there will be much of protection at such low speeds. also contador wasnt behind froome.

Mwah, he was riding at 25k/h there, enough drag.

Get that point.

But how does he get so much hate? AC, Valv-Piti, Basso, etc. are still riding. They are no better (actually they might be worse).
And LA was the biggest a$$hole by far. If he rates at 10/10, Froome isn´t even a 0.5/10 on the *** scale...

Why dont you mention Ullrich? Or is his bullying others not bad?

The Froomster is toning it down. For tomorrow. Ventouz/Alpe double, good for ratings.

 

[DirtyWorks]

No argument there. So, my conclusion is that it will be easier for a "normal guy" to get away with fraud than someone "not normal" like LA.

Maybe Froome/Sky are too smart or too "normal" to go bully everyone around. What that means is that they could get away with more.

Yup. Lots of guys new/know how to handle the doping. Lots of nice guys dope too.

IMHO, right now, no one either in or just out of the Sky program is facing harder times. But, should anyone get locked out of cycling like a Landis, that's when the controversy begins. Hopefully, they handle it as well as Landis too.

 

[Jahudor]

No argument there. So, my conclusion is that it will be easier for a "normal guy" to get away with fraud than someone "not normal" like LA.

Maybe Froome/Sky are too smart or too "normal" to go bully everyone around. What that means is that they could get away with more.

I am not so sure about that. Of course Armstrong was an arrogant, self centered, overly narcistic person, of there ever was one. I have never seen anyone defending his image with so much perseverance. Almost, if not indeed, sociopathic. When I see Froome I see a much more fragile personality and I am not sure he is really up to all the pressure that will be mounting further and further on.

Besides, Armstrong always had his 'coverstory' surviving a life-threatening disease after which he would never endanger his life again with PEDs. Don't forget the whole charity smoke-screen which added a lot to his credibility.

Armstrong focused mainly of not exclusively on the Tour, being able to remain 'in the shadows' for most of the year. Froome however is dominating surprisingly consistently from march on.

Also one should not forget that Armstrong had shown real potential before, winning the World championship for example. Of course he needed EPO amongst others to carry all his weight into the mountains, but still. Froome has had a very surprising leap in performance and his worm-infection is used as a explanation for underperforming before. Very doubtful.

 

[Stradebianche]

yes the annual dose is a preventative method for children in areas where bilharzia is common, not a treatment at all.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/schistosomiasis/Pages/Treatment.aspx

Treating schistosomiasis

If you are diagnosed with schistosomiasis, you will probably be admitted to hospital so that your health can be carefully monitored. This will help ensure that any serious complications you have, such as dehydration, are picked up.

The medication used to treat schistosomiasis is called praziquantel. Praziquantel works by first paralysing the worms and then dissolving their outer casing, killing them. A single dose of praziquantel is usually required.

The side effects of praziquantel are usually mild and include:

nausea
vomiting
abdominal pain

Steroid medication (corticosteroids) can also be used to relieve the symptoms of acute schistosomiasis as they help control the allergic reaction to the eggs that is responsible for the symptoms.

A further stool sample may be taken after four to six weeks to check whether there are still any eggs in your stools. If eggs are present, a further dose of praziquantel may be given.


So the annual or twice annual treatments story from Froome appears to be nonsense

Yep,question is why are journos not picking up on the contradiction?
Only yesterday Brailsford is quoted repeating this stuff in the Velonews article.

Only reason i can see for an annual or 6 monthly dose would be if Froome regularly returned to Africa and was at risk of reinfection in that way.Thats not what they are claiming though.

 

[DirtyWorks]

So after all, i still don´t get it. And, we are not even sure what (if) they do at Sky regarding doping. ...
All that is there are suspicious (but not over the line) performances at times.
...

This is a replay of early-times in the Armstrong sports fraud only just a bit slower than go-go EPO years. So, we're just going to wait around while alien performances are happening again?

But completely different to the three week riders like Armstrong. I mean Sky performes trou-out the season like it used to be in the Merckx, Hinault and Fignon days. I don´t believe the can orchester a year around BB-program...

The fact that this year-round peloton destruction has no lower-ranked results to back it all up should be clue #1 your uncertainty about Sky's doping is not warranted.

When does it get suspicious? Four wins in a row for Sky? 7 wins?

 

[red_flanders]

OTOH, Ulle was a big time doper too. But still he is very much liked (me inclusive as everybody knows) outside of german mainstream media.

So after all, i still don´t get it. And, we are not even sure what (if) they do at Sky regarding doping. All that is there are suspicious (but not over the line) performances at times. But completely different to the three week riders like Armstrong. I mean Sky performes trou-out the season like it used to be in the Merckx, Hinault and Fignon days. I don´t believe the can orchester a year around BB-program...

I think it can be summed up as "generally things were looking up, now we have clear evidence that one person/team is/are doping with impunity, and that hoses all the progress that has been made."

No?

 

[The Hitch]

I don´t believe the can orchester a year around BB-program...

So its easier to win year round clean than it is doped? Got you.

 

[JustinReynolds]

"...what we are seeing here is shock and awe..."

Hahaha



And I was just about to make the joke that, having run out of gear and spun out in his 11 while riding up Ventoux to drop Contador, Froome needs a 55 or 56 chainring!!!! And that is just for the climbs.

Pure farce.

Dave.

In my mind Kimmage has lost a lot of credibility - he's coming across as a bitter man (and thats before 2012 let alone 2013). Yes he was right about LA and others, but now he can't cover any cycling without pulling the doping angle. Its like a scratched record (remember those?) ...

 

[Deagol]

I am not so sure about that. Of course Armstrong was an arrogant, self centered, overly narcistic person, of there ever was one. I have never seen anyone defending his image with so much perservation. Almost, if not indeed, sociopathic. When I see Froome I see a much more fragile personality and I am not sure he is really up to all the pressure that will be mounting further and further on.

Besides, Armstrong always had his 'coverstory' surviving a life-threatening disease after which he would never endanger his life again with PEDs. Don't forget the whole charity smoke-screen which added a lot to his credibility.

Armstrong focused mainly of not exclusively on the Tour, being able to remain 'in the shadows' for most of the year. Froome however is dominating surprisingly consistently from march on.

Also one should not forget that Armstrong had shown real potential before, winning the World championship for example. Of course he needed EPO amongst others to carry all his weight into the mountains, but still. Froome has had a very surprising leap in performance and his worm-infection is used as a explanation for underperforming before. Very doubtful.

This is an interesting angle on Froome's ability (or lack thereof) to stand up to external pressure applied. I think you are correct that Froome would be an easier person to wear down. My point is a bit different, in that I think Froome won't be exposed to the same external pressure to begin with as compared to Lance, particularly from people he (LA) burned like Landis, Betsy, LeMond, Emma O'Reilly) precisly since Froome is too "normal" to be so horrible as Lance was as to create potential enemies such as them in the first place (how is that for a run-on sentence?). These enemies were a significant source of the external pressure put on Lance I was aluding to.

I don't think Froome will create these enemies like Lance, and therefore won't be exposed to that same pressure.

 

[Jahudor]

Steroid medication (corticosteroids) can also be used to relieve the symptoms of acute schistosomiasis as they help control the allergic reaction to the eggs that is responsible for the symptoms.

Could this also be part of Froome's treatment, and if so, would he need a TUE for that?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I think Froome is just the focal point for people's hatred of Sky; last year it was Wiggins.

I think what rankles with so many people here is that Sky project an image of being clean when it does appear (admittedly without any hard evidence) that they are anything but clean. It is the clean facade that really vexes people.

Good point. But then these guys should hate JV and GAR much more. The original brand of a "clean team", transforming Wiggins into a podium guy (previously best result 125th in a GT )

 

[the sceptic]

Good point. But then these guys should hate JV and GAR much more. The original brand of a "clean team", transforming Wiggins into a podium guy (previously best result 125th in a GT )

so Wiggins was dirty at Garmin but clean at sky?

 

[Bicycle]

This is an interesting angle on Froome's ability (or lack thereof) to stand up to external pressure applied. I think you are correct that Froome would be an easier person to wear down. My point is a bit different, in that I think Froome won't be exposed to the same external pressure to begin with as compared to Lance, particularly from people he (LA) burned like Landis, Betsy, LeMond, Emma O'Reilly) precisly since Froome is too "normal" to be so horrible as Lance was as to create potential enemies such as them in the first place (how is that for a run-on sentence?). These enemies were a significant source of the external pressure put on Lance I was aluding to.

I don't think Froome will create these enemies like Lance, and therefore won't be exposed to that same pressure.

SKY are using the same script as the Spanish sports stars - keeping all in-house, noone off-message, everyone toeing the line with no dissenting voices.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I am not so sure about that. Of course Armstrong was an arrogant, self centered, overly narcistic person, of there ever was one. I have never seen anyone defending his image with so much perseverance. Almost, if not indeed, sociopathic. When I see Froome I see a much more fragile personality and I am not sure he is really up to all the pressure that will be mounting further and further on.

Besides, Armstrong always had his 'coverstory' surviving a life-threatening disease after which he would never endanger his life again with PEDs. Don't forget the whole charity smoke-screen which added a lot to his credibility.

Armstrong focused mainly of not exclusively on the Tour, being able to remain 'in the shadows' for most of the year. Froome however is dominating surprisingly consistently from march on.

Also one should not forget that Armstrong had shown real potential before, winning the World championship for example. Of course he needed EPO amongst others to carry all his weight into the mountains, but still. Froome has had a very surprising leap in performance and his worm-infection is used as a explanation for underperforming before. Very doubtful.

Good post. Even tough i feel like vomit when you remind me of all that BS that was going on with LA. But it´s good to be reminded from time to time so that the meories stay fresh of what a fraud LA really was. The biggest, bigger than yellow eyed Ben Johnson... Ugh!

Even understand your points about Froome...