Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So Sky have released his power data, but that's not enough right? Doesn't prove anything right? Doesn't change anyone's opinions?

Man they should done this sooner, like everyone wanted them to. What a difference it makes.

Jimmy, where did they release the numbers? To a well respected scientist who has stated before he sees no proof in his calculations Froome is doping. Just like he calculated Armstrong's numbers do not represent proof he was doping.

I bet he would see no harm in Santambroggio's numbers too.

The same thing Coggan is saying, the same thing Krebs is saying.

Context.

What he does say is the Froomster is at the limit of humanly possible, according to the science he knows of. Well, thats fine then? Froome gets beaten, then the other one is doping. Wiggins said the same last year didnt he?

 

[ShrubberyBlue]

So Sky have released his power data, but that's not enough right? Doesn't prove anything right? Doesn't change anyone's opinions?

Man they should done this sooner, like everyone wanted them to. What a difference it makes.

Don't be silly! They haven't released data since he was in his mothers womb. But even then his mother MUST have been using something which affected his growth!

It's very easy to get caught up in having a view which is almost like a faith. You believe in something and no matter if anything happens which completely contradicts your faith - because you are so entrenched in the belief you have you have to dismiss any other facts or evidence.

There are so many posters so deeply entrenched in believing he is doping they just cannot back down to even the slimmest form of new data opposing their own view as that will make their belief obsolete.

This thread would be so much more informative if 95% of it wasn't just completely half baked and full of tripe. Still it's a good laugh. Mine is an open mind. Science is open. Open your own minds to different possibilities.

 

[GuyIncognito]

As someone who was leaning towards a clean Froome, I'm now leaning the other way.

Sky only releasing data since Froome's miraculous turnabout is extremely suspicious to say the least.

 

[The Principal Sheep]

Don't be silly! They haven't released data since he was in his mothers womb. But even then his mother MUST have been using something which affected his growth!

The data they have would be good, your comments re faith works both ways and your 'open mind' seems to be a little closed and hysterical...

 

[Cobblestones]

antoine vayer‏@festinaboy23s
THAT is to read after having read l'Equipe. http://www.rds.ca/plus/cyclisme/la-supériorité-d-armstrong-vue-par-la-science-1.297864 …

Nice find. Plus ca change...

 

[Logic Al]

So what’s he taken/taking then to have a dramatic rise to 2011 and then stay consistent with no abnormalities for 2 years?

 

[L'arriviste]

Arent L'Equipe a SPONSOR of the Tour ?? isn't this a conflict of interest ??

The Amaury Group owns both ASO, the company which runs the Tour, and L'Equipe. In this regard, you could argue some sort of conflict of interests.

However as history tells us, with the latest example barely a month old, the fruits of L'Equipe's editorial independence have often been a source of upset and embarassment to the Amaury board, so I wouldn't be too concerned about that.

 

[zalacain]

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Sky only releasing data since Froome's miraculous turnabout is extremely suspicious to say the least.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Sky-joue-la-transparence/386574

 

[Logic Al]

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Sky-joue-la-transparence/386574

As someone whose French only extends as far as saying hello and ordering a beer, what's the jist of that article?

 

[SundayRider]

If they really wanted to be transparent they could release the 2010, early 2011 data and show the % improvement since then.

 

[The Hitch]

It's a good start from Sky giving out this info from the last 2 years. It seems there experts estimations were not far off what was given to them. I wonder how many other teams would now be able to follow suit and hand over the last 2 years data?

Is it ok if Roman only hands over data from the last few months?

Alternatively we can wait till next autumn and then roman will hand over all his data from 2 years. Thus porving it more likely that he is clean because 2 years is a bigger number than a few months.

 

[bewildered]

Didn't Michelle Cound give info on older data?

 

[SundayRider]

Didn't Michelle Cound give info on older data?

Only Vuelta 2011, the start of Froome as we know it.

 

[ShrubberyBlue]

The data they have would be good, your comments re faith works both ways and your 'open mind' seems to be a little closed and hysterical...

You have stated my exact point. It should work both ways.

An open mind to someone who is entrenched in a certain view is hysterical in nature.

 

[Chaddy]

Does the data begin with Vuelta '11 or the start of that season?

 

[bewildered]

with vuelta i believe.

 

[Rollthedice]

As someone whose French only extends as far as saying hello and ordering a beer, what's the jist of that article?

Everything is normal with Vroomey says Grappe. Except he's exceptional power which he can produce during five minutes of maximal effort. That, my friend, puts him above all the others which of course is normal for an athlete like him.

 

[Mr.38%]

To me, the only relevant data are the results and performances prior Vuelta 2011. This data is readily available.

I'd be interested in his blood values prior, during and after his alleged infection though. These should easily be available as well. If they could produce consistent proof, I'd even consider to actually believe that Chistopher Froome from Kenya is the greatest cyclist on the planet and probably greatest GT rider in history.

 

[SundayRider]

Does the data begin with Vuelta '11 or the start of that season?

Cound, released a power file from Veulta 11 time trial which had been around ages anyway. No data before '11 Vuelta.

 

[bewildered]

Apparently he did a VO2 max test with the UCI and Michael Theze according to Inner Ring

 

[willbick]

To me, the only relevant data are the results and performances prior Vuelta 2011. This data is readily available.

I'd be interested in his blood values prior, during and after his alleged infection though. These should easily be available as well. If they could produce consistent proof, I'd even consider to actually believe that Chistopher Froome from Kenya is the greatest cyclist on the planet and probably greatest GT rider in history.

he benefits from being part of probably the most sophisticated training regime in the history of cycling. maybe he is the best GT rider ever. sport advances. sportsmen now are generally better than they have ever been due to advances made and new techniques and technology

 

[samuelgray1987]

He is clean

Why can we not be satisfied with the fact that Chris Froome is a clean rider who is a level above the competion in this years Tour de France.

 

[willbick]

Why can we not be satisfied with the fact that Chris Froome is a clean rider who is a level above the competion in this years Tour de France.

lol where's the fun in that?!

 

[SundayRider]

Why can we not be satisfied with the fact that Chris Froome is a clean rider who is a level above the competion in this years Tour de France.

Guess you were satisfied that Armstrong was just a level above the competition? That Contador in the past was just a level above?

 

[kaffenback]

Why can we not be satisfied with the fact that Chris Froome is a clean rider who is a level above the competion in this years Tour de France.

Because he's obviously not clean.
Do some research and open your eyes.