Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Pricey_sky]

It's a good start from Sky giving out this info from the last 2 years. It seems there experts estimations were not far off what was given to them. I wonder how many other teams would now be able to follow suit and hand over the last 2 years data?

 

[bewildered]

500 tests!

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=64074

Not that you doubt it, one drawback of leading/winning so many races.

In the dailymail article with the transcript of the rest day press conference it said that the AFLD had tested him 4 times in 28 hours

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...claims-Tour-France-2013--FULL-TRANSCRIPT.html

Earlier the Team Sky rider had been subjected to four drugs tests in 28 hours.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I haven't read the article, but RR later tweeted that the power outputs were within 2.5% of Grappe's estimates, so the 'pseudo-scientists' weren't far-off. He also says the story is not heavy on detail but the CF's weight has been within 900g for 2 years

900g? What was it with MC saying he still had to lose 2kg?

 

[bewildered]

Do they give the measured W/kg on the major climbs? Would be interesting to know how accurate the estimations were.

Doesn't appear so but are Grappe's estimates available? not heavy on detail or numbers, more to do with Grappe's opinion I think, altho RR says that Froome loses 60w power from 20 mins to 60 mins effort

 

[Bakhjulet]

It won't matter what data Sky give away. Since it has already been decided that Froome is doping, the data will be interpreted from that point of view. If the interpretition of the data can't be twisted into that he is on the dope, the reaction will be that Sky manipulated the data or something. It's an impossible case for Froome to prove that he is clean.

 

[LaFlorecita]

IIRC Grappe has been a Froome believer for a while now. I'd be interested in Vayer's analysis of the data.

 

[bewildered]

the Inner Ring ‏@inrng 1h

Sky release Froome's climbing data and power stats to L'Equipe who have numbers reviewed by @fredgrappe who draws four conclusions:

1. Froome's power curve (W vs time) has a normal slope and his rides in the Tour are consistent with data from last 2 years
2. Sky have never measured his V02 max but Grappe says he must have a score close to the known physiological limits
3. his weight's been stable for races and
4. Grappe says he must have excellent powers of recovery. Data go from Vuelta 2011 to Mont Ventoux

Is any of this other than expected?!

antoine vayer ‏@festinaboy 2m

Lire P. 143 de la preuve par 21. Ou comment F.Grappe disait par le menu " es sciences" la même chose a propos de Lance en 2005 que de froome

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Read P. 143 of the evidence 21. Or how F.Grappe said the "art science" menu the same thing about Lance in 2005 as Froome' (google trans)

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

900g? What was it with MC saying he still had to lose 2kg?

I think the weight tolerance relates to race weight.

Presumably his weight fluctuates between races.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think the weight tolerance relates to race weight.

Presumably his weight fluctuates between races.

I just read the translation of the article and it makes sense now.

 

[bewildered]

http://journalvelo.com/breaking/google-translate-version-of-lequipe-article-on-froome-data/

 

[Winterfold]

So Froome's data has been consistent from the time when anyone with half a brain suspected him of doping?

That's reassuring

 

[Logic Al]

so if he is doping, does that mean he's doping consistently throughout the last 2 years?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yeh, did they hand over every SRM file or did he just get a "presentation"?

Just the last 2 years, surprise, surprise, which are, surprise, surprise, entirely consistent with the performance we are seeing.

Too bad we couldn't go back to numbers from 2008, before Leinders was officially on the scene...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

l'Equipe is saying the same thing as Grappe was saying in Cycling Weekly last week. What it actually says is when someone beats Froome one should be suspicious:

''The extremely high maximum aerobic power (for an effort of 5 minutes) confirms that he has a higher than usual aerobic potential, giving him a VO2Max (which to date has never been measured in a lab by his team) close to the known scientific physiological limits.''

Fred Grappe in context:
http://fr.rec.sport.cyclisme.narkiv...-francais-explique-la-superiorite-d-armstrong

http://journalvelo.com/breaking/google-translate-version-of-lequipe-article-on-froome-data/

OMG, that site is the ultimate skybot realm, Fred Cluster, yep, thats what google translate will give for Fred Grappe.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

How about Aigle release the hounds er numbers as well.

 

[bewildered]

The extremely high maximal aerobic power (effort of 5 minutes) confirms that it has an unusual aerobic potential, which requires it to have a close limits VO2max (which has never been measured in the laboratory by his team)

Isn't it highly improbable that they have never measured his VO2 MAX?!

Attention to detail, marginal gains etc?

 

[JimmyFingers]

So Sky have released his power data, but that's not enough right? Doesn't prove anything right? Doesn't change anyone's opinions?

Man they should done this sooner, like everyone wanted them to. What a difference it makes.

 

[Logic Al]

On why L’equipe, Sky have said L’equipe suggested it as an option which they took and they’re looking at other options as well

 

[Logic Al]

So Sky have released his power data, but that's not enough right? Doesn't prove anything right? Doesn't change anyone's opinions?

Man they should done this sooner, like everyone wanted them to. What a difference it makes.

Think most people's minds are so fervently made up that they will never change them if he's 'innocent' and until he gets caught if he's not

Doesn't seem like anyone looks at this with an open mind, just from the angle to try and support whatever they thought previously

 

[Ferminal]

So Sky have released his power data, but that's not enough right? Doesn't prove anything right? Doesn't change anyone's opinions?

Man they should done this sooner, like everyone wanted them to. What a difference it makes.

Where is the data?

 

[Mr.38%]

antoine vayer‏@festinaboy23s
THAT is to read after having read l'Equipe. http://www.rds.ca/plus/cyclisme/la-supériorité-d-armstrong-vue-par-la-science-1.297864 …

 

[Cobblestones]

Just the last 2 years, surprise, surprise, which are, surprise, surprise, entirely consistent with the performance we are seeing.

Too bad we couldn't go back to numbers from 2008, before Leinders was officially on the scene...

So the power files are entirely consistent with the performance we are seeing. That's reassuring...for Sir Isaac Newton, I guess.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Arent L'Equipe a SPONSOR of the Tour ?? isn't this a conflict of interest ??

 

[JimmyFingers]

Where is the data?

/gallic shrug

 

[Logic Al]

Arent L'Equipe a SPONSOR of the Tour ?? isn't this a conflict of interest ??

Why is it a conflict of interest?