Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Stradebianche]

Bingo

Different era here...pushing ethical boundaries?

Maybe something not necessarily 'illegal'

Telmisartan ?

Some studies show similar effects to Aicar etc but its not on the banned list afaik.Technically clean if not morally.

Some evidence its been around cycling,packages were found by the AFLD in a bin raid at the 2009 tour but at the time no one knew anything much about it.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You're assuming that he's using the same blood-based doping as LA, AC, Floyd etc.

Maybe Sky have some newer, better technique which works for much longer than the average life of a red blood cell. Maybe it's something to improve oxygen carrying and transfer that is independent of haematocrit level and is only required once and lasts for months. If this were the case, WADA etc could follow them around for the month or two leading up to the Tour and not find anything to worry about. It would also give the prolonged peak that CF has had this year.

That could be only gene doping.
If they* are applying it successfully to sports already, than i am done with sports. There is no need to watch mutants playing roboter games. I know this day will come. But i thought not before around 2017... Since it´s to scary, i believe they* are still in the experimental age.

* = anybody, anywere, not only cycling

 

[Benotti69]

If it´s not illegal, than it´s ok. Always thought that Sky works in the "grey area" (see my older posts all the way back to last year). But still no proof they stepped over the line to illegal doping.

I mean it´s pro sports. Everybody tries to improve...

anything that enhances performance unnaturally is banned by WADA whether it is on a list or not.

So if Sky found a new technique to enchance red blood cells then it is considered cheating and therefore banned by WADA.

 

[jw1979]

That could be only gene doping.
If they* are applying it successfully to sports already, than i am done with sports. There is no need to watch mutants playing roboter games. I know this day will come. But i thought not before around 2017... Since it´s to scary, i believe they* are still in the experimental age.

* = anybody, anywere, not only cycling

why do you say 2017 specifically?

and if it's being applied successfully, is this not something to be excited about?

 

[thehog]

anything that enhances performance unnaturally is banned by WADA whether it is on a list or not.

So if Sky found a new technique to enchance red blood cells then it is considered cheating and therefore banned by WADA.

CO doping from Kerrison?

Dim @ velorooms suggests this is what he heard from the inside.

 

[Jahudor]

That could be only gene doping.
If they* are applying it successfully to sports already, than i am done with sports. There is no need to watch mutants playing roboter games. I know this day will come. But i thought not before around 2017... Since it´s to scary, i believe they* are still in the experimental age.

* = anybody, anywere, not only cycling

It would explain why Brailsford is talking about the 'evolution' of the sport and that one day clean riders will beat the records of the known dopers.

 

[mewmewmew13]

anything that enhances performance unnaturally is banned by WADA whether it is on a list or not.

So if Sky found a new technique to enchance red blood cells then it is considered cheating and therefore banned by WADA.

Exactly...
also if something is in the realm of fairly new and 'experimental' then there is always the unknowns of "are they endangering riders' health " or expecting them to submit to unethical and unproven methods to gain the advantages...

To me that is not 'just sports'

Think blood doping at '84 Olympics ...

 

[Beech Mtn]

You're assuming that he's using the same blood-based doping as LA, AC, Floyd etc.

Maybe Sky have some newer, better technique which works for much longer than the average life of a red blood cell. Maybe it's something to improve oxygen carrying and transfer that is independent of haematocrit level and is only required once and lasts for months. If this were the case, WADA etc could follow them around for the month or two leading up to the Tour and not find anything to worry about. It would also give the prolonged peak that CF has had this year.

One of the articles about Gas6 talked about treatment extended cell life (might have even been RBCs, but I'd have to go back and check). It was in part of a section talking about thrombosis,etc

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

It would explain why Brailsford is talking about the 'evolution' of the sport and that one day clean riders will beat the records of the known dopers.

But that will not be clean. Anyway, i think the first gene robot will come from the US. Some 20 yr old guy from the army. The military with their super budget (Sky is nothing compared to them) really try to built the perfect soldier. They are on their way. Scary.

 

[The Death Merchant]

So what? Jerry Rice and Bo Jackson had 2%...

So you are comparing Froome to two NFL players. That's quite apt actually, since NFL players are walking pharmacies.

 

[The Hitch]

But that will not be clean. Anyway, i think the first gene robot will come from the US. Some 20 yr old guy from the army. The military with their super budget (Sky is nothing compared to them) really try to built the perfect soldier. They are on their way. Scary.

if the US military have more money than sky then they can spend it all on marginal gains like sky did.

 

[BYOP88]

if the US military have more money than sky then they can spend it all on marginal gains like sky did.

How do you know the US military budget? Seems like we have another mole, soon to be residing in some South American embassy

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So you are comparing Froome to two NFL players. That's quite apt actually, since NFL players are walking pharmacies.

True....
Anyway, just wanted to show that Froome isn´t the "record holder".

if the US military have more money than sky then they can spend it all on marginal gains like sky did.

They have all their marginal gains like mini nukes...

 

[70kmph]

How is Froome able to destroy the enhanced riders ?

A) Bread & water using high tech training intervals
B) Act of God, blessed with genetic superiority
C) Special secrets
D) Peloton is clean therefore...
E) British stiff upper lip

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Looks like Sky got the gearing wrong on the TT bike today. The Dawg says his cadence was too high, maybe he could have done better with the perfect setup.

Attention to detail not the same as marginal gains these days.

@Foxxy
If you are any good, you can make a lot more more on things beside cycling. That stuff is too risky.

 

[Alpechraxler]

Telmisartan ?

Some studies show similar effects to Aicar etc but its not on the banned list afaik.Technically clean if not morally.

Some evidence its been around cycling,packages were found by the AFLD in a bin raid at the 2009 tour but at the time no one knew anything much about it.

search my old posts thats a myth.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

@Foxxy
If you are any good, you can make a lot more more on things beside doping*. That stuff is too risky.

* i felt so free to correct you

What is too risky? The forum isn´t life alterning. If you have some great insider knowledge, please enlighten me...

 

[simo1733]

Do you have any evidence that Michael Jackson had plastic surgery?

I don't, and i demand that everyone else admit that its only a possibility, not a fact. Anyone who ever said it happened should be sued.

Don't worry.As long as somebody else saud he had plastic surgery, then you can repeat the allegation without fear.
Allegedly.

 

[zastomito]

So what? Jerry Rice and Bo Jackson had 2%...

Myth. Sometimes the name changes, Karl Malone, Brett Favre, Michael Jordan, basically any athlete that is extremely popular. 2% is not natural or sustainable.
What happened to you Foxxy, you were so much cooler while you had Jim McMahon. You kinda just turned into Polish.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

What is too risky? The forum isn´t life alterning. If you have some great insider knowledge, please enlighten me...

well, you suggested betting money rather than the Avartar stuff....


Only a naive, clown or fan would bet against Froome being a doper.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Myth. Sometimes the name changes, Karl Malone, Brett Favre, Michael Jordan, basically any athlete that is extremely popular. 2% is not natural or sustainable.
What happened to you Foxxy, you were so much cooler while you had Jim McMahon. You kinda just turned into Polish.

JimmyMac comes back (i just can´t say when)...
About kind of "Polish"; It all started with the endless threads about Sky/Froome coming out a year or two ago. It got out of hand. So i decided to be the opponent to the unanimity in prejudgment against Sky/Froome. Wouldn´t it be boring to discuss something where everybody agrees to the same opinion. So i decided to point out all the weaknesses/inconsistencies in the Sky/Froome-doping-theory...
What i really think? "Lemoogle" knows it.

well, you suggested betting money rather than the Avartar stuff....


Only a naive, clown or fan would bet against Froome being a doper.

It depends on the chances. I seldom bet, but when i do, i am sure to have a postive EV. And that is certainly true with Froome...
It took 10+ years to finally uncover LA. Bolt is still in the race, Pantani was dead before all came out, Pete Rose took how long?... and so on, and so on.
In short: A 3-year bet with Froome is a heck of a chance to make some money...

 

[The Hitch]

JSo i decided to point out all the weaknesses/inconsistencies in the Sky/Froome-doping-theory...
...

Not working out so well is it

 

[Dazed and Confused]

It depends on the chances. I seldom bet, but when i do, i am sure to have a postive EV. And that is certainly true with Froome...
It took 10+ years to finally uncover LA. Bolt is still in the race, Pantani was dead before all came out, Pete Rose took how long?... and so on, and so on.
In short: A 3-year bet with Froome is a heck of a chance to make some money...

Froome hasn't even won a GT yet and many people are convinced the clown is a doper. This isn't the stone age, information travels faster these days.

But go ahead and place you money on Froome winning the TdF in 2016, I'm sure somebody will take your call.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

I know that you know that you are cherry picking here. Everybody is aware of that Froome had his break-trou at that Vuelta...

Back to why i got suspicious of AC. Yes AC did win Alpe and yes he fini 2nd overall. But not only me saw something wrong with that 42+ min ride. BroDeal put it best back than (and he hit the jackpot, since the plasticizer proved him right not much later):

Cherry picking? No, you are being unbelievably intellectually inconsistent and dishonest because of incredible bias. You just can't think going from 2nd @ Dauphine to Tour winner in 3 weeks is BS while 24 minutes down on Sagan to sprinting up mtns with Cobo a couple of weeks later is natural. It's absolutely baffling!

Froome OTOH (after his breakout Vuelta 2011, and when healthy) does not have such dubios performance swings.
Pre-2011 is a mystery. I admit that. But at least he didn´t finish a best 125th in his previous GT´s...

He was nowhere pre-Dauphine last season. Shelled everyday at Romandie.

 

[patswana]

Telmisartan ?

Definitely not. This is going to offer zero or maybe very 'marginal gains' but it is nothing like the old blood doping/Epo use. It is more like the benefit from salbutamol or sildenafil - i.e. not very much at all.