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[Franklin]

TBut for the rest of his life he's now going to have to pretend he does.

Seriously... it seems knowledge about Asthma is as rare as about Badzhilla....

Not every asthmatic has symptoms all of the time, nor do we all have to grasp our puffer every day. Indeed, I haven't used/owned a puffer in 20 years. If I wasn't diagnosed with it as a teen I would not call myself asthmatic (terrible hayfever though). And though no pro, I was a pretty decent junior/amateur racer, so it never stopped me even though I was harder hit by it as a teen.

Keep in mind that a HUGE percentage of the general population (wiki says 20%!) have some form of exercise asthma. And no I don't think these normal people make it up, nor do I believe these people run around with a puffer

If we assume he really has Asthma (and that's truly not farfetched) I count on it that for 99% of the time he wouldn't need a puffer.

And final addition: They say Asthma can't be cured. I'm not completely agreeing. For some asthma patients (of course not all of them)doing endurance sports and thus enlarging your lungcapacity really helps. After I started cycling and doubled my longue capacity I never have issues unless it's full hayfever season (as is now...).

 

[kingjr]

Froome pulled everyone. Everyone. For 5km. Giving them a far easier ride. How can you not understand why tactically that is weak?

He pulled mostly when someone had attacked. As I've said, no one else was going to do it for him.

Do you even know why riders attack in the first place rather than just always tt themselves up mountains without a care for who's behind?

It's precisely to stop opponents staying in their slipstream.

If froomes aim was to keep the group together why did he attack in the first place.

To try and drop everyone of course. He realised that Contador wouldn't be dropped and wouldn't stick his nose in the wind either. Had he persisted with this first big attack he would have probably run into a counter and lost time. That's precisely where your point about slipstream comes in.

 

[Franklin]

If you need an ambulance during an asthma attack you clearly can't take an inhaler. They will use an nebuliser because you can't control you're own breathing.

Take a few deep breaths and read again, I said SALBUTAMOL is the go to drug. I did not say ram an inhaler in a patients mouth.

And if you had attacks you really should know that salbutamol inhalers are for acute Asthma treatment.

I'm not going to argue any further as you are simply wrong here. Salbutamol in aerosol form is not preventive. It's to treat acute symptoms.

 

[thehog]

Take a few deep breaths and read again, I said SALBUTAMOL is the go to drug. I did not say ram an inhaler in a patients mouth.

And if you had attacks you really should know that salbutamol inhalers are for acute Asthma treatment.

I'm not going to argue any further as you are simply wrong here. Salbutamol in aerosol form is not preventive. It's to treat acute symptoms.

I don't expect you to argue. As I stated; you're not taking your inhaler like Froome did - whilst breathing hard as your not getting any of it down into your lungs. He clearly wasn't having an attack.

You jumped all over my post on the prevention part. You well know your Doctor will tell you to take two puffs a day even without having asthma symptoms.

Stop trying to he a know all and discuss the topic collaboratively.

 

[thehog]

Do you think Team Fround cross checked their story first?

--
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/sep/05/research.health

Irish scientists may have a drastic answer to the great asthma epidemic. It is called bilharzia. They think one of the world's nastiest parasitic infections could help combat the scourge of the affluent society.

The British Isles have the highest levels of allergy in the modern world.

Around 30% of schoolchildren in Ireland show symptoms of asthma.

The disease, however, is less common in the world's poorest countries - and those children more heavily infected with the nematode worm Schistosoma mansoni that causes bilharzia are the ones with the lowest allergic reactions, Padraic Fallon, of Trinity College Dublin, will tell the British Association meeting in Dublin today.

There are an estimated 250 million people in the tropics infected by bilharzia parasites that live in the red blood cells. Many have anaemia and kidney damage. They do not, however, suffer from asthma or anaphylaxis.

Health experts call this the hygiene hypothesis. The theory is that an immune response evolved to cope with parasitic infections. In a cleaner, healthier world, the parasites are few, so the immune system responds instead to cats, peanuts or dust mites.

Dr Fallon and colleagues experimented with laboratory mice genetically engineered with a tendency to asthma and anaphylaxis. They then infected the mice with schistosomes.

"These animals did not develop difficulty in breathing. The presence of the worms blocks pulmonary inflammation," Dr Fallon said. "We believe that this research will lead us to develop new ways of preventing and treating asthma and anaphylaxis, which can then be extended to treat inflammatory bowel disease and arthritis."

 

[gooner]

Take a few deep breaths and read again, I said SALBUTAMOL is the go to drug. I did not say ram an inhaler in a patients mouth.

And if you had attacks you really should know that salbutamol inhalers are for acute Asthma treatment.

I'm not going to argue any further as you are simply wrong here. Salbutamol in aerosol form is not preventive. It's to treat acute symptoms.

I don't want to get into an argument on this topic with yourself and the hog but my mother has a nebuliser in our house and she gets prescribed with boxes of salbutamol for her breathing.

She uses it everyday in the house.

 

[Bexon30]

This I can believe. But for the rest of his life he's now going to have to pretend he does. Which leaves the question, what was it? His behaviour after was, for a race leader, almost deranged. I've never seen a pro bike rider behave like that.

I switched off yesterday at the finish what was the deranged behaviour afterward? Many thanks.

 

[rainman]

I switched off yesterday at the finish what was the deranged behaviour afterward? Many thanks.

During the last 5 k's he was off his trolley. I've certainly never seen a race leader attack constantly, bring everything back himself and ride on the front the whole time. Having no team mates present made it even more peculiar. Merckx was maybe the most aggressive rider ever in a yellow jersey and liked to destroy everyone. But he would wait for a good moment and make a decisive attack. Froome just seemed to have lost the plot yesterday. Unless he was just regarding it as a super hard training ride

 

[BYOP88]

Do you think Team Fround cross checked their story first?

--
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/sep/05/research.health

Irish scientists may have a drastic answer to the great asthma epidemic. It is called bilharzia. They think one of the world's nastiest parasitic infections could help combat the scourge of the affluent society.

The British Isles have the highest levels of allergy in the modern world.

Around 30% of schoolchildren in Ireland show symptoms of asthma.

The disease, however, is less common in the world's poorest countries - and those children more heavily infected with the nematode worm Schistosoma mansoni that causes bilharzia are the ones with the lowest allergic reactions, Padraic Fallon, of Trinity College Dublin, will tell the British Association meeting in Dublin today.

There are an estimated 250 million people in the tropics infected by bilharzia parasites that live in the red blood cells. Many have anaemia and kidney damage. They do not, however, suffer from asthma or anaphylaxis.

Health experts call this the hygiene hypothesis. The theory is that an immune response evolved to cope with parasitic infections. In a cleaner, healthier world, the parasites are few, so the immune system responds instead to cats, peanuts or dust mites.

Dr Fallon and colleagues experimented with laboratory mice genetically engineered with a tendency to asthma and anaphylaxis. They then infected the mice with schistosomes.

"These animals did not develop difficulty in breathing. The presence of the worms blocks pulmonary inflammation," Dr Fallon said. "We believe that this research will lead us to develop new ways of preventing and treating asthma and anaphylaxis, which can then be extended to treat inflammatory bowel disease and arthritis."

Froome got asthma when he moved to Monaco.

 

[mikeoneill]

maybe it's the new biharzia

BADZILLA 2 : RISE OF THE NEBULIZER

 

[ScienceIsCool]

I don't expect you to argue. As I stated; you're not taking your inhaler like Froome did - whilst breathing hard as your not getting any of it down into your lungs. He clearly wasn't having an attack.

You jumped all over my post on the prevention part. You well know your Doctor will tell you to take two puffs a day even without having asthma symptoms.

Stop trying to he a know all and discuss the topic collaboratively.

This is incorrect. All of it.

It is fairly easy to get a good dose from an inhaler on the bike even while breathing fairly hard. You expel it quickly, sure, so it's only partially effective. It's still effective though. While racing and/or riding, I've had to occasionally take a hit from my inhaler and have never had a problem. And only twice that I can remember have I ever needed more than one dose. For the record, I've used both Terbutalene and Salbutamol.

And no, your doctor will not tell you to take a beta-agonist for prevention. If you need prevention, then you go on inhalable steroids. I can check the name of the one I use later if you'd like.

John Swanson

 

[Nathan12]

Must. Keep. Track. Of. The. Lies.

 

[Catwhoorg]

And no, your doctor will not tell you to take a beta-agonist for prevention. If you need prevention, then you go on inhalable steroids. I can check the name of the one I use later if you'd like.

John Swanson

Which just to short circuit any debate, inhaled corticosteroids do not require a TUE when used in accordance with the manufacturers guidelines.

 

[hiero2]

Well, I see the inhaler got everybody's attention. My 1st thot is there ya go - yer marginal advantages.

That's all he needed, marginal gains, a one bike length advantage.

Sure, if you are having an asthma attack onset, the inhaler can help. If you're not? It can still help! Haha. Joke's on us!

If I'm offending any Froome fans, sorry, but I don't trust the guy.

 

[thehog]

maybe it's the new biharzia

BADZILLA 2 : RISE OF THE NEBULIZER

Haha!

If you're going to tell lies then you need a very good memory.

No wonder asthma didn't appear in the book. He simply doesn't have it.

 

[He-manuelle Sella]

This I can believe. But for the rest of his life he's now going to have to pretend he does. Which leaves the question, what was it? His behaviour after was, for a race leader, almost deranged. I've never seen a pro bike rider behave like that.

Just an idea, but could it be a case that what the Froome was inhaling could have been some form of new wave masking agent used to cover up a darker evil that may have been revealed in the expected post win drugs test?!

 

[mikeoneill]

The asthma will prob be part of brailstorms cover story when the dawg goes OTT in july

maybe send some 2014 power data to Walsh to analyze too

all clean..

 

[Dazed and Confused]

During the last 5 k's he was off his trolley. I've certainly never seen a race leader attack constantly, bring everything back himself and ride on the front the whole time. Having no team mates present made it even more peculiar. Merckx was maybe the most aggressive rider ever in a yellow jersey and liked to destroy everyone. But he would wait for a good moment and make a decisive attack. Froome just seemed to have lost the plot yesterday. Unless he was just regarding it as a super hard training ride

So 6,0 w/kg on a soft stage barely distancing Kelderman is supposed to be the new level of ***?

If Froome was in the same form as last year he would have dropped Contador easily imo. Gapped him 20-30s.

In many ways Froome this time reminds me a bit of Contador last year in some of the smaller stage races. Contador attacked and attacked and got nowhere. Not enough sustainability in the attacks. Same for Froome this time around.

Also Conatdor in Pais Vasco would have attacked Froome in the last few hundred meters and gained the win along with some secs. Contador seems weaker to me. I mean he was wheelsucking the entire climb, but was almost outclimbed by Kelderman who go lots of wind on the nose.

But lets see what the Dawg can do on Saturday.

All imo.

(and no I don't think Froome or Contador are clean in any case)

 

[Fzotrlool]

His alleged asthma gives him an opportunity to inhale every time before the MTF, doesn't it? Or do you think he will be more conservative in his use of it now that it has generated so much controversy?

 

[rhubroma]

So 6,0 w/kg on a soft stage barely distancing Kelderman is supposed to be the new level of ***?

If Froome was in the same form as last year he would have dropped Contador easily imo. Gapped him 20-30s.

In many ways Froome this time reminds me a bit of Contador last year in some of the smaller stage races. Contador attacked and attacked and got nowhere. Not enough sustainability in the attacks. Same for Froome this time around.

Also Conatdor in Pais Vasco would have attacked Froome in the last few hundred meters and gained the win along with some secs. Contador seems weaker to me. I mean he was wheelsucking the entire climb, but was almost outclimbed by Kelderman who go lots of wind on the nose.

But lets see what the Dawg can do on Saturday.

All imo.

(and no I don't think Froome or Contador are clean in any case)

No way, because Contador has much better form this year. And the only reason he didn't take more time out of the others, is because the Spaniard was on his wheel. Thus he slowed down and the others caught back on. Without Contador he would have destroyed the field.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

No way, because Contador has way better form this year.

Yes, in Pais Vasco. Very strong. Could have won the stage yesterday with same form imo.

Soft field in T-A (riders and/or form). A bit hard to Judge, but Gescke gave us a clue.

Cat was difficult to assess because of the weather.

But stage 2 CdD Contador was weaker than in Pais Vasco. Hell even Valverde would have dropped the Dawg last Sunday.

Anyway just my opinion. Won't change it, so will leave discussion here.

(again, Froome was maxed out. It was obvious. He couldn't go faster)

 

[Bexon30]

During the last 5 k's he was off his trolley. I've certainly never seen a race leader attack constantly, bring everything back himself and ride on the front the whole time. Having no team mates present made it even more peculiar. Merckx was maybe the most aggressive rider ever in a yellow jersey and liked to destroy everyone. But he would wait for a good moment and make a decisive attack. Froome just seemed to have lost the plot yesterday. Unless he was just regarding it as a super hard training ride

Cool I got that thanks, he was certainly riding like he was possessed especially as he attacked when Neive peeled off. I just thought you were alluding to strange behaviour post ride, my bad!

His attack was crazy really the power. A sprint in which all but Alberto couldn't live with. It might be a sign that he doesn't have enough power this year, or others are closer. I hope the mountains bite him and his arrogance and leave for a closer Tour, but then who knows what happens in the next few weeks. Attacks like that will cause carnage in the peloton that much is certain.

 

[sniper]

There are an estimated 250 million people in the tropics infected by bilharzia parasites that live in the red blood cells. Many have anaemia and kidney damage. They do not, however, suffer from asthma or anaphylaxis.

nice find.

has anybody already asked walsh how he could possibly ignore froome's asthma in all those articles and books on sky/froome? gooner perhaps?

 

[rhubroma]

Yes, in Pais Vasco. Very strong. Could have won the stage yesterday with same form imo.

Soft field in T-A (riders and/or form). A bit hard to Judge, but Gescke gave us a clue.

Cat was difficult to assess because of the weather.

But stage 2 CdD Contador was weaker than in Pais Vasco. Hell even Valverde would have dropped the Dawg last Sunday.

Anyway just my opinion. Won't change it, so will leave discussion here.

(again, Froome was maxed out. It was obvious. He couldn't go faster)

I can only judge from the current standings. Froome appears stronger.

Now Contador has been out of competition longer and perhaps Froome is further ahead in his form, thus there is a possibility at least that the tables will turn in July.

Otherwise Froome goes extraterrestrial and everything becomes an even greater farce.

 

[thehog]

nice find.

has anybody already asked walsh how he could possibly ignore froome's asthma in all those articles and books on sky/froome? gooner perhaps?

Ya think Walsh saw him pull out that inhaler during their time together? Perhaps asked, what's that?

Just too much in love to care.