Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[gillan1969]

You'll laugh at this, I know, and I understand that but this, or somewhere along those lines, is how I believe it could have happened.

yup...nearly as much as his erstwhile companion's 6 hr **** up and 36 dehydration regime....

 

[the sceptic]

Dawg really is a PR nightmare.

The mistake they made was that they let him off the leach. There really was no need for Dawg to destroy everyone like he did. It would have been much smarter to instead copy the Wiggins win and try to look somewhat human. But now, even bots are laughing at him and its impossible to make sane arguments for him being clean.

If Brailsford is smart, he takes this opportunity to dump the Dawg and start over with a more plausible rider.

 

[roundabout]

I agree for the most part. I find it interesting that the tact TS has taken re. publicly acknowledging injury-healing vs. sky's realive silence on Froome is so different. I guess we'll see the truth in a week or so.

He may ride, no he he may not ride, he has been training for days, no he has just started training with 1 leg etc

You call that publicly acknowledging injury-healing, well I don't really see it.

 

[mrhender]

No they werent, I am sure his goal was to confuse and scare Contador, to make him lose Dauphine. He succeeded, didnt he?

So using unnecessary energy on flat parts only then to go in the red shortly after, should scare Contador....? Brilliant idea

Contador only got second for waiting on Froome.... Hoping for a H2H......

 

[Futuroscope]

and made up stories about beating Contador which could easily be verified as false.

I haven't read his book, could you expound on this?

 

[Digger]

I just think froome is genuinely thick - I believe he doped of course - but yes really stupid...and that's why cound has to babysit him in interviews.

 

[thehog]

I haven't read his book, could you expound on this?

I'll let the Dawg tell the story.

 

[red_flanders]

@red_flanders

Well a baseline would be assuming Froome spoke true when he said he did a Vo2Max test in 2007 scoring somewhere between 80 and 85 while being 4 kilos heavier than today. So we could say, the talent is there, but held back by inexperience, illness and respective side effects, as well as the fact that it's probably hard to compare the quality of his training as teenager with that of most european riders, so his talent being turned into results might take a while longer.
I don't want to discuss the quality of Team Sky's training and preparation (no doping reference intended), but I think it's not a stretch to imagine that it was the best he had so far in his career. Add the radical weight loss to it , and 2 rounds of pzq treatment (his Tour of Poland, or his preparation for it maybe hampered by side-effects) and at the Vuelta 2011 things fell into place he could finally reap what he had sown. You'll laugh at this, I know, and I understand that but this, or somewhere along those lines, is how I believe it could have happened.

Now would you be so kind and answer my question too?

Sure. I think he's doping. No question in my mind about it, it stuns me that anyone could buy his shtick.

How? I don't know, old methods in conjunction with some weight-loss drugs and whatever else.

New cocktail, same old story. I really have no idea but there is no way any of his story about why he was mediocre for years and then became the talent of our generation even comes close to adding up. Blows me away that after reading thoughtful posts from Merckx, Libertine, The Hitch and others that anyone could actually still believe he's clean.

I started laughing the first time I saw him light it up. It's comical.

 

[Futuroscope]

I'll let the Dawg tell the story.

Armstrongish.

 

[TheSpud]

yup...nearly as much as his erstwhile companion's 6 hr **** up and 36 dehydration regime....

Actually to me it sounds a hell of a lot more plausible than "I went and got ****ed up", I mean, that's Landis 101 ...

 

[red_flanders]

Armstrongish.

Armstrong was much more believable.

 

[TheSpud]

Armstrong was much more believable.

He just bullied people in to believing ...

 

[DirtyWorks]

... Add the radical weight loss to it...

My reply is not specific to you or your statement.

Can someone please explain how it's possible in the 70+ years of bicycle racing that Froome and a few of his cohorts can do the following:
-get to incredibly low body fat and stay there for months at a time,
-create power very close to EPO-induced numbers and remain so gaunt.

This is a recent phenomena with no explanation. For 70+ years, cyclists could get skinnier, but then the power would fall off after maybe a week and so would their health. Now, it's brand new physical behaviour. I have an explanation. But I'd love to hear some alternatives.

Red_flanders, you may or may not remember the Chicken's performances. Froome reminds me of him.

 

[SeriousSam]

This is to copy sky methods, before SKy nobody took ice bath to recover, why' if you had EPO free...

EPO and other PEDs aren't a substitute to appropriate training and nutrition, as in, if you have EPO, doing that other stuff is no longer beneficial.

It makes absolutely no sense that having access to a risky way of realising performance gains makes you neglect less risky ways of realising performance gains. They add.

 

[red_flanders]

Red_flanders, you may or may not remember the Chicken's performances. Froome reminds me of him.

Indeed. Though I have to say, as ungainly a rider as Froome is, he's a better bike-handler than Rasmussen.

 

[kingjr]

I started laughing the first time I saw him light it up.

So did I. For the same reasons as you.

And I very much wanted Cobo to win. Froome was in the way, so I hoped he would get caught asap.

How? I don't know, old methods in conjunction with some weight-loss drugs and whatever else.

See my problem is, so far pretty much any answer that went further than 'I don't know what he's doing but he must be doing something' has involved one of the three following assumptions, sometimes all three:
The Bilharzia-stuff to be a complete fabrication to obfuscate his blood profile, Sky having a team-wide doping program, and the UCI covering the tracks, either of Sky as a whole, or Froome specifically. I don't believe Sky run a doping-program and I don't believe the UCI selects riders that are allowed to dope, not after Armstrong's fall.
About Bilharzia, well, we have Froome on record in November 2013 saying the latest tests were negative, I'll wait a couple of years and see how that develops, along with his performances.

This is a recent phenomena with no explanation. For 70+ years, cyclists could get skinnier, but then the power would fall off after maybe a week and so would their health.

Froome did fade in the third week in both the 3-week-events he raced to win. Although he did of course have the Tour in his legs in 2012, but otoh he didn't race much overall that year.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Sure. I think he's doping. No question in my mind about it, it stuns me that anyone could buy his shtick.

How? I don't know, old methods in conjunction with some weight-loss drugs and whatever else.

New cocktail, same old story. I really have no idea but there is no way any of his story about why he was mediocre for years and then became the talent of our generation even comes close to adding up. Blows me away that after reading thoughtful posts from Merckx, Libertine, The Hitch and others that anyone could actually still believe he's clean.

I started laughing the first time I saw him light it up. It's comical.

I am sure it's already been discussed, but his complete confidence that he will never be stripped of his wins makes me think of designer drugs - ala The Clear.

 

[Benotti69]

I am sure it's already been discussed, but his complete confidence that he will never be stripped of his wins makes me think of designer drugs - ala The Clear.

That or the guarantee that all samples will be destroyed.

 

[yespatterns]

He may ride, no he he may not ride, he has been training for days, no he has just started training with 1 leg etc

You call that publicly acknowledging injury-healing, well I don't really see it.

I was referring more to all the social media appreances ie. twitter. Alberto could be considered far more high profile since the tour than Dawg IMHO. In any event he's certainly captured a lot more headlines, be it for his recovery or oleg's lust for publicity.

 

[ChrisE]

I am looking so forward to Froome winning the Vuelta. There's not enough Preparation H in the world to soothe this place when it explodes with butthurt.

 

[yespatterns]

I am looking so forward to Froome winning the Vuelta. There's not enough Preparation H in the world to soothe this place when it explodes with butthurt.

I have a feeling both Froome and Contie will DNF. Just a feeling though.

 

[ChrisE]

I have a feeling both Froome and Contie will DNF. Just a feeling though.

AC or course he will probably DNF. I have no idea what Froome will do..I only know what I hope he will do.

 

[yespatterns]

AC or course he will probably DNF. I have no idea what Froome will do..I only know what I hope he will do.

Most Froome fans hope he will pass all the retro-active tests coming up. That and that Michele will be able to finally fit all her fingers in so that he's a puppet proper.

 

[ChrisE]

Most Froome fans hope he will pass all the retro-active tests coming up. That and that Michele will be able to finally fit all her fingers in so that he's a puppet proper.

I'm not a Froome fan...I'm a fan of watching whiners whine.

 

[King Boonen]

If Froome wins the Vuelta I think this forum will be broken permanently...