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Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

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In the case of Froome I don't think it needs the Sky fans. The haters calling foul would be enough.

I am not following you.

There's no noise when Nibali wins coz the people who disbelieve only have to say it once, and not try to combat the drivel spouted by his believers.

You were a believer, and I am pretty sure you posted since that you no longer believe in Froome - is that a correct assessment?

So are you counting yourself in the haters? Or is the "anti-Brit" tag too easy to apply to anyone who has a difference of opinion with you, and therefore leaves you safely in the non-haters but also non-believers camp?

It really is difficult to keep up sometimes.
 
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"and the wierd injections at Barloworld...."

Those weren't weird injections. That was Froome describing the team doping program RIGHT after he just stated he didn't dope at Barlo and there was no team program there. I state again...for all those who say he didn't/doesn't dope, he ADMITTED doping in the Kimmage interview.
 

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Dear Wiggo said:
I am not following you.

There's no noise when Nibali wins coz the people who disbelieve only have to say it once, and not try to combat the drivel spouted by his believers.

You were a believer, and I am pretty sure you posted since that you no longer believe in Froome - is that a correct assessment?

So are you counting yourself in the haters? Or is the "anti-Brit" tag too easy to apply to anyone who has a difference of opinion with you, and therefore leaves you safely in the non-haters but also non-believers camp?

It really is difficult to keep up sometimes.

How interesting.

That doesn't account for the endless Sky/Cookson/British threads that go on and on and on for pages without any interjection from anybody with a counter view. They are still going on, and carried on throughout the TdF when Sky were an irrelevance.

And yet Nibali? Practically nothing.

Nah, sorry pal. Nice try.
 
Dear Wiggo said:
I am not following you.

There's no noise when Nibali wins coz the people who disbelieve only have to say it once, and not try to combat the drivel spouted by his believers.

You were a believer, and I am pretty sure you posted since that you no longer believe in Froome - is that a correct assessment?

So are you counting yourself in the haters? Or is the "anti-Brit" tag too easy to apply to anyone who has a difference of opinion with you, and therefore leaves you safely in the non-haters but also non-believers camp?

It really is difficult to keep up sometimes.

I'm saying that for Froome it has got to the point where people posting their displeasure at him winning/leading the race is enough to cause the site to crash, it doesn't need the fans trying to constantly defend him to cause it.

I have no idea what you mean with the anti-Brit thing. It seems like you are trying to shoe-horn in an insult with reference to another thread, but if you read it I believe you'll find I'm always careful to say that some peoples posts read, seem, imply, show a bias etc. towards anti-British feeling, I don't believe I've ever called anyone anti-British outright and certainly have never intended to, mainly because I don't think they are.
 

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Quite.

You don't get to be World MTB champion and have an 8 year MTB pro career by being a crappy bike handler. Beggars belief really.
 
Froome can handle a bike.

I think Sky are to blame there. They seem to focus so much on power output and using that to measure rides that it's become a crutch for someone like Froome, hence his constant starting at it. He's also used to the Sky-train which again will blunt his handling skills.
 
stutue said:
How interesting.

That doesn't account for the endless Sky/Cookson/British threads that go on and on and on for pages without any interjection from anybody with a counter view. They are still going on, and carried on throughout the TdF when Sky were an irrelevance.

And yet Nibali? Practically nothing.

Nah, sorry pal. Nice try.

And what's your point. Yes froome does generally get more hate than Nibali. Here and everywhere.

And? People are allowed to hate one person more than others. Everyone gets to decide who they hate and why.

So. What's your point?
 
King Boonen said:
I'm saying that for Froome it has got to the point where people posting their displeasure at him winning/leading the race is enough to cause the site to crash, it doesn't need the fans trying to constantly defend him to cause it..

I think you are right and wrong. Short term you are right. The forum will have 50 posts a second on froome if he wins regardless of whether there are people defending him or not.

But long term I think the emotional response to everything froome does is in a very large part a result of the 3 year experience of arguing with his defenders on here or reading the comments, often thoroughly insulting ones made in his defense in the media.

I think if Nibali fans started today to come on here and play forum wars over Nibali bring clean you'll get a similar emotional reaction a few years down the line.

Not as big though, since the froome hate is also motivated by a) his late extreme transformation b) some of the cycling things he has said about rivals or cycling (e.g. anti descending) c) some of the arrogant thing he has said jn his book, d) his partners behaviour - no one even knows cenzos wife's name, e) unexciting (at least compared to Nibali contador or Quintana) riding style and strategy.
 

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The Hitch said:
And what's your point. Yes froome does generally get more hate than Nibali. Here and everywhere.

And? People are allowed to hate one person more than others. Everyone gets to decide who they hate

Yes, people do seem to be able to choose whomever they want to hate, don't they.

Some hate blacks, some hate Jews, some hate disabled people, some hate gay people. And I'm quite sure that in their own little heads they are entirely justified, and will defend their justifications quite venomously.


Indeed. And in the context of cheating (or alleged) cheating at sport the obsession with Sky doesn't make sense. Sky are old news....out of the picture. So where are the endless Tinkov and Astana threads, hundreds of pages long, poring over every word ever spoken by a team member and endless theories expounded until they become part of the hivemind groupthink?

So you think Froome dopes? So what?

You've said it. What drives you to repeat it ad nauseam, especially when it has no impact in the real world. Time for you to examine your own motivations.

P.s. Froome is a doper (probably)
 
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Yes, people do seem to be able to choose whomever they want to hate, don't they.

Some hate blacks, some hate Jews, some hate disabled people, some hate gay people. And I'm quite sure that in their own little heads they are entirely justified, and will defend their justifications quite venomously.
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Just when it looked like you couldn't sink any lower:eek:
 
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The Hitch said:
But long term I think the emotional response to everything froome does is in a very large part a result of the 3 year experience of arguing with his defenders on here or reading the comments, often thoroughly insulting ones made in his defense in the media.

My impression is that most of the comments are generated by the haters.
 
stutue said:
Indeed. And in the context of cheating (or alleged) cheating at sport the obsession with Sky doesn't make sense. Sky are old news....out of the picture. So where are the endless Tinkov and Astana threads, hundreds of pages )

Go make them if you want. If you care so much go make them. But none of us is compelled to go post in other threads just because you demand it. Well post in what threads we like thank you very much :) (and for the record I'm one of the heaviest posters in Tinkov and Astana threads calling out their bs)

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So you think Froome dopes? So what?

You've said it. What drives you to repeat it ad nauseam, especially when it has no impact in the real world.

Mocking us for posting in the froome threads, telling us nog to, and yet here you are:D

If you think everyone should leave this thread, why don't you be a good lad, stick to your principles and set an example.
 

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The Hitch said:
I think you are right and wrong. Short term you are right. The forum will have 50 posts a second on froome if he wins regardless of whether there are people defending him or not.

But long term I think the emotional response to everything froome does is in a very large part a result of the 3 year experience of arguing with his defenders on here or reading the comments, often thoroughly insulting ones made in his defense in the media.

I think if Nibali fans started today to come on here and play forum wars over Nibali bring clean you'll get a similar emotional reaction a few years down the line.

Not as big though, since the froome hate is also motivated by a) his late extreme transformation b) some of the cycling things he has said about rivals or cycling (e.g. anti descending) c) some of the arrogant thing he has said jn his book, d) his partners behaviour - no one even knows cenzos wife's name, e) unexciting (at least compared to Nibali contador or Quintana) riding style and strategy.

The Froome hate (and the near-identical Wiggins hate before him) carries on quite self-sufficiently without the rare occurrence of anybody attempting to defend him. But if they do I've noticed you are one of the first to scream "troll".

The Nibali and Contador hate just isn't here. The insight into what they do, where they are, what they are saying, what their coaches and team mates are saying and doing isn't here because nobody is looking. Where is the associated docial-mefia campaign?

If your, and others, motivations were purely anti-doping all that stuff would be here in the same volume and at the same volume as it is about Sky.

Me? I think these top riders are probably all at it.
 
Hawkwood said:
My impression is that most of the comments are generated by the haters.

Well there are way more people who believe froome is doping, than clean. Just like there are way more people that believe the world is round than flat.

I would say also that a lot of the defenders have been banned but then everytime one is banned a new sky fan user always seems to emerge at right about the same time. It's like the world evening itself out or something.
 

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The Hitch said:
Go make them if you want. If you care so much go make them. But none of us is compelled to go post in other threads just because you demand it. Well post in what threads we like thank you very much :) (and for the record I'm one of the heaviest posters in Tinkov and Astana threads calling out their bs)



Mocking us for posting in the froome threads, telling us nog to, and yet here you are:D

If you think everyone should leave this thread, why don't you be a good lad, stick to your principles and set an example.

And out comes the full panoply of strawmen.
I'm not telling you to leave this thread, nor am I mocking you. I wouldn't dream of it.You carry on, you arent doing any real harm to anyone.Your faux outrage and misrepresentation of what I am saying is a mere tactic on your part to try and game the moderators. I know the ploy.

You can try and obfuscate and sidetrack, try and make this personal, but as yet you haven't made any kind of convincing argument to explain the discrepancy between attitudes towards different dopers.
 
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The Hitch said:
Well there are way more people who believe froome is doping, than clean. Just like there are way more people that believe the world is round than flat.

I would say also that a lot of the defenders have been banned but then everytime one is banned a new sky fan user always seems to emerge at right about the same time. It's like the world evening itself out or something.

Do you mean on the forum `there are way more people who believe froome is doping...'?

When you write `... a lot of the defenders have been banned...' do you mean what appears to be a disparity in the number of anti versus pro Froome posts is due to there being more haters than fans posting in the Clinic?