Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[stutue]

Avoiding my point eh? Typical. The emphasis was on the word "overnight" and how by your current method of determining gc strength you will have to concede froomes 2014 vuelta performance -providing he goes well, as a overnight transformation seeing how he will have gone from -wherever you rank him at based on 2 non completed gts, to being a top gt rider again.

Of course you yourself know your system is flawed and we both know you use it just to bait.by your standard someone like zubeldia is presently 10 x the gt rider froome is.

You've waded into a discussion, tried to swing it onto your agenda, then become aggressive when I won't be diverted into answering your questions.

Looks like someone cruising the forum looking for a fight.

 

[SeriousSam]

When people say Frooome is the #1 GC rider, they are talking about strength. Froome wouldn't have magically turned into a horrendously bad GC rider had he crashed in the last stage of the 2013 Tour. He would have still been the #1 GC rider despite the DNF.

 

[stutue]

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To the bolded......


Maybe not to you. But many people here does not belive that the inconsistency of Team SKY should let them of the hook...
Someone (SKY) claiming to have found the holy grail, should just not be performing and talking like a pendulum...

For the record there's a thread called "will contador be juiced again upon his return" this thread has quite a few post's and the discussion when he failed in 2013 was indeed in focus even though he "failed"...

Furthermore you must recognize that you yourself are helping to increase -the same focus that you blame so much right....?

If you really intent to move focus, if it matters to you.
Then maybe try to use your some of the energy and drive in the clinic's Nibali or contador thread, or whatever earns focus to you..
You cannot add to the focus, then only to critizice it...

Last point... This is the Froome thread, anything other than focusing on him here could be against forum rules, and the whole point of indivuídual threads created by users... No one is stopping you from creating another "inherent" thread or the likes of it, if you want to move focus that is...

This thread would still be up in the top ten without me. We both know that.

It doesn't bother me that this thread exists, it doesn't bother me that people are anti-Froome/Sky. It gives me something to talk about. It is however, glaringly obvious that there is something else besides current doping that is motivating posters here. Having seen the Skyborg tactics of Tinkov and Astana I'm amazed there isn't an equivalent outcry. The paltry efforts at justifying this by saying that all the criticism of Contador was done ages ago doesn't make sense. Sky are old news too. That criticism has been done and to an exponentially greater degree than of Contador and Nibali. There is NO comparison.

Nibali and Contador are where it is at. Even arch Sky-hater the Hog thinks that Sky and Froome are finished.

 

[sniper]

This thread would still be up in the top ten without me. We both know that.

It doesn't bother me that this thread exists, it doesn't bother me that people are anti-Froome/Sky. It gives me something to talk about. It is however, glaringly obvious that there is something else besides current doping that is motivating posters here. Having seen the Skyborg tactics of Tinkov and Astana I'm amazed there isn't an equivalent outcry. The paltry efforts at justifying this by saying that all the criticism of Contador was done ages ago doesn't make sense. Sky are old news too. That criticism has been done and to an exponentially greater degree than of Contador and Nibali. There is NO comparison.

Nibali and Contador are where it is at. Even arch Sky-hater the Hog thinks that Sky and Froome are finished.

several reasons for sky currently being more in the Clinic's spotlights than saxo and astana have been mentioned throughout different threads.
no denials, no mysteries, no hidden agendas. just utter non-believe.

 

[mrhender]

This thread would still be up in the top ten without me. We both know that.

I never said otherwise, but don't you see...? It is not for you to be the judge of what deserves focus. It is an individual choice.
Now posters here provides much info on Froome, his team and their oratory "whereabouts".
So naturally that accumulates into more posts -hence the opportunity to be nearer to this "phenomenen" that he is.... pure logic...

It doesn't bother me that this thread exists, it doesn't bother me that people are anti-Froome/Sky. It gives me something to talk about. It is however, glaringly obvious that there is something else besides current doping that is motivating posters here. Having seen the Skyborg tactics of Tinkov and Astana I'm amazed there isn't an equivalent outcry. The paltry efforts at justifying this by saying that all the criticism of Contador was done ages ago doesn't make sense. Sky are old news too. That criticism has been done and to an exponentially greater degree than of Contador and Nibali. There is NO comparison.

Yes indeed.. It gives you something to talk about...
But again. Don't you see? This is a very contradictive statement.
Have you considered the possibility that Froome also gives the rest of us something to talk about...? Where it belongs that is....

I agree with you on one thing, that there is "NO comparison"...
This is why we talk about him, you see?

Nibali and Contador are where it is at. Even arch Sky-hater the Hog thinks that Sky and Froome are finished.

So predicting someone is finished should be an obstacle for finding the subject and his fall interesting? I myself called him finished after his first crash at the tour, before he dropped out... I saw an insecurity that no doping will cure, but that doesn't mean that I have lost interest in this "phenomenon"...

 

[stutue]

several reasons for sky currently being more in the Clinic's spotlights than saxo and astana have been mentioned throughout different threads.
no denials, no mysteries, no hidden agendas. just utter non-believe.

But there is also utter non-belief about Sky no?

 

[stutue]

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I agree with all your points actually, which makes me think you aren't quite seeing where I'm coming from. Frankly, to me, it is glaringly obvious that there is a discrepancy between treatment of, let's face it, likely dopers. I view Froome, Nibali and Contador with equal suspicion. I'm not convinced others do, although it is couched in different terms. And the elephant in the room is that I think there is a nationalistic element to it, which is what I find offensive. If you look at the litany of posts and threads which reference the nationality of Sky staff, riders and Cookson, it is a bit hard to take denials seriously.

But beyond that, yes, it gives me something to talk about, as do many other threads and as I try to keep it civil and don't get baited into insults by a couple of posters, I can't see why anybody should object to that.

 

[The Hitch]

This thread would still be up in the top ten without me. We both know that..

Depends if we are talking about just your current account or not.

 

[the sceptic]

lol if you really think people hate brits just because of their nationality.

the "nationalistic element" here is that the vast majority of sky believers happen to be british.

 

[stutue]

Vast majority of Sky believers? Where are these mystical creatures?

 

[mrhender]

Vast majority of Sky believers? Where are these mystical creatures?

Well... The SKY provides sun, as well as rain right?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Vast majority of Sky believers? Where are these mystical creatures?

Sky believers here in these parts / threads are like the Ancient Aliens.

 

[TheSpud]

I disagree. You have to make it your only Grand Tour objective of the year.

Froome is only as good as his season's results. Whether he crashed out is irrelevant.

I disagree - Froome & Contador are definitely in the Top 3 GT riders currently, with Nibali most likely the other (although there is Quintana, and a few others to consider) - that would probably have been the TdF podium had things been different in July. It matters not that they crashed out - that is statistics and for the history books.

 

[Cycle Chic]

He's tweeting again - I bet you cant get Twitter in Sonoma County

 

[DirtyWorks]

He's tweeting again - I bet you cant get Twitter in Sonoma County

Why would Froome want to upset anyone at ASO? In this sense, he's taking great advice from someone somewhere or vaguely understands what's going on.

My guess is the former.

 

[the sceptic]

I see less veins popping out of his arms than at the tour last year.

 

[thehog]

I see less veins popping out of his arms than at the tour last year.

He's a bit of a fatty this time around. Off the AICAR perhaps. Or maybe just been cured from a deadly parasitic disease and his weight has returned to normal

 

[Darryl Webster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iFdJRvXDQM

 

[del1962]

Since you around Darryl, how much do you think Brian Smith knew about what JTL was doing?

 

[Netserk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iFdJRvXDQM

That reminds me, can anyone remember which one was about Bruyneel as Hitler (I think, not sure) where the two girls are the Schlecks? I think it had something to do with the merger of the two teams, but it's been a while since I've seen it.

 

[the sceptic]

He's a bit of a fatty this time around. Off the AICAR perhaps. Or maybe just been cured from a deadly parasitic disease and his weight has returned to normal

His teammate doesnt sound very optimistic

“In terms of Chris, we will take it day by day and week by week,” Rowe told Sky Sports.

“We are heading into the unknown a little bit with him not racing for so long since the Tour de France.

“We are going with GC [general classification] ambitions, and if you go with GC ambitions, with a team like Sky it has got to be to win the race.

“Whether he [Froome] will be able to achieve that, a podium, top ten, or maybe not even that, we will be able to tell after a week or so.

“If Froome was in top condition, that would be great, but at the same time he has had a lot of time off and a crash like that can’t go underrated. We need to be ambitious, but at the same time realistic.”

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/other-sport/cycling/team-sky-ace-luke-rowe-7642280

 

[yespatterns]

Froome has the most uncomfortable smile in the peloton. He looks like he's only moments away from eating a baby.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Why would Froome want to upset anyone at ASO? In this sense, he's taking great advice from someone somewhere or vaguely understands what's going on.

My guess is the former.

Whats ASO got to do with going on Twitter ? not tweeting whilst training with Levi ?

 

[The Hitch]

On lemond in cycling he interviewed some watts expert and the expert was asked if watts could be used to find dopers and he said that he would be very suspicious of someone increasing their watts kilo by 1 over the space of a year.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Whats ASO got to do with going on Twitter ? not tweeting whilst training with Levi ?

They might not be too happy with Froomy distracting an audience while their premier cycling event is in progress.